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qasdfdsaq 15-08-2012 16:10

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35463477)
That's your problem dude, downstream power is way too low. You need to get an engineer out and move your tap point in the cab

Nah, I wouldn't say way too low. You can maintain a reliable connection with a stable -10 and technically the spec allows -15. -5.7 to -7 is actually well within optimal. Note the perfectly decent SNR and there having only been one single errorred packet on all channels combined.

Matth 15-08-2012 21:13

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Wondering, is M going to get doubled (yes, I cling to BB:M, Phone:M, TV:XL + Loyalty untlil they prise the package from my cold, dead hands - unless something else comes up that really is too good to turn down).

BenMcr 15-08-2012 21:15

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Originally Posted by Matth (Post 35463623)
Wondering, is M going to get doubled (yes, I cling to BB:M, Phone:M, TV:XL + Loyalty untlil they prise the package from my cold, dead hands - unless something else comes up that really is too good to turn down).

Yes, M gets double to 20Mbit - basically it becomes exactly the same as L 20

PaulW2V 19-08-2012 15:17

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35463510)
Nah, I wouldn't say way too low. You can maintain a reliable connection with a stable -10 and technically the spec allows -15. -5.7 to -7 is actually well within optimal. Note the perfectly decent SNR and there having only been one single errorred packet on all channels combined.

This seems to be a point of confusion amongst various parties.

I've read that power levels shouldn't be lower than -3 and Swansea support have confirmed this to me. While my power levels were around -5, I had cause to call out two engineers. They both told me that -7 is perfectly acceptable and they both refused to raise them. Later my power levels dropped further to -7.5 or so yet my quality of service seemed as good as ever, fast download speeds of up to 7.4MB/s and none of the problems that I had been experiencing previously. I no longer worry about them. :shrug:

jb66 19-08-2012 15:24

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Originally Posted by PaulW2V (Post 35464895)
This seems to be a point of confusion amongst various parties.

I've read that power levels shouldn't be lower than -3 and Swansea support have confirmed this to me. While my power levels were around -5, I had cause to call out two engineers. They both told me that -7 is perfectly acceptable and they both refused to raise them. Later my power levels dropped further to -7.5 or so yet my quality of service seemed as good as ever, fast download speeds of up to 7.4MB/s and none of the problems that I had been experiencing previously. I no longer worry about them. :shrug:

Optimum is -3 to +6. As long as snr is good below that works fine

PaulW2V 19-08-2012 15:33

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35464896)
Optimum is -3 to +6. As long as snr is good below that works fine

Thanks for the clarification. Both engineers did comment on the good SNR.

techguyone 22-08-2012 15:18

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VM came back to me (I posted on their forums too) they decided the levels too low and are sending someone out.

snowey 22-08-2012 19:18

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463624)
Yes, M gets double to 20Mbit - basically it becomes exactly the same as L 20

Come on Ben, why cant Virgin, update all of us onto the 30 system and send us the latest, Superhub, NOW.... IMHO, Its going to happen any way.;)

jb66 22-08-2012 19:52

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Originally Posted by snowey (Post 35466426)
Come on Ben, why cant Virgin, update all of us onto the 30 system and send us the latest, Superhub, NOW.... IMHO, Its going to happen any way.;)

Alotof folk don't actually care about what speed they get, as long as it works

BenMcr 22-08-2012 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by snowey (Post 35466426)
Come on Ben, why cant Virgin, update all of us onto the 30 system and send us the latest, Superhub, NOW.... IMHO, Its going to happen any way.;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35466442)
Alotof folk don't actually care about what speed they get, as long as it works

Indeed, if they did they wouldn't still be on 10Mbit

Also I'd expect quite a few don't want the hassle of, or wouldn't be confident in swapping the kit - no matter what it was they were sent.

qasdfdsaq 23-08-2012 11:08

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What ever happened to 30MB minimum by end of 2012

BenMcr 23-08-2012 11:28

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35466565)
What ever happened to 30MB minimum by end of 2012

You mean the rumour from Customer Relations that hasn't been announced officially anywhere?

Mr K 25-08-2012 14:05

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35466442)
Alotof folk don't actually care about what speed they get, as long as it works

Too right. Reliability is far more important than speed.

No way do I want a Superdud, stick with my trusty NTL250. Unless you download loads (most don't), the speeds at above 20MB start to become irrelevant.

Chad 25-08-2012 15:40

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35466442)
Alotof folk don't actually care about what speed they get, as long as it works

I agree, however I also like to get the speed I pay for.

General Maximus 25-08-2012 17:47

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35467345)
the speeds at above 20MB start to become irrelevant.

I thought that as well dude many moons ago when I was on 20mbit but I loved going from 20 to 50. When I was on 50 I only wanted 100 for the increased upload speed but the download speed sure is sweet. Why download a gb in 3 mins when you can do it in a minute and a half ;)

Itshim 30-08-2012 15:16

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35467420)
I thought that as well dude many moons ago when I was on 20mbit but I loved going from 20 to 50. When I was on 50 I only wanted 100 for the increased upload speed but the download speed sure is sweet. Why download a gb in 3 mins when you can do it in a minute and a half ;)

Not in that much of hurry ( penny of penny wise) faster speed that works for the same price. Is not the same as a price increase days after saying free upgrade. Which I am still waiting for by the way :dozey:

Chad 01-09-2012 14:09

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Any news on when updates will be really happening?

My Virgin Media still shows my area has been updated when it hasn't.

General Maximus 01-09-2012 14:13

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Have you checked your modem to see what speed your are currently provisioned for?

Chad 01-09-2012 14:30

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35469576)
Have you checked your modem to see what speed your are currently provisioned for?

It's still 111000000 bps, which I understand means my area is still 100Mb?

General Maximus 01-09-2012 18:33

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yeah, the extra 10mbits is for fluff

qasdfdsaq 03-09-2012 16:04

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Of course by "fluff" he means extra padding to their average speedtest numbers, without which their average speed for 100Mb users at peak times would drop below 70...

lucius1 05-09-2012 09:16

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111000000 bps translates to about 105.85 mbps. The 120mbps is currently being rolled out in Cosham and is set to 133000000 bps.

spiderplant 05-09-2012 09:55

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Originally Posted by lucius1 (Post 35470954)
111000000 bps translates to about 105.85 mbps.

That's a common misconception. It translates to 110mbps. Network speeds (also hard drive sizes and CPU clock speeds) are measured in multiples of powers of 10, not 2. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541.

VM set the actual speed slightly higher than advertised because it's not possible to run the connection at 100% with real-world protocols.

ps. Welcome to the forum!

Tim Deegan 05-09-2012 10:34

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35469573)
Any news on when updates will be really happening?

My Virgin Media still shows my area has been updated when it hasn't.

Same here. When you ask them, it appears that they don't really know.

I've even had excuses like 'they Olympics held it up because they couldn't do any work underground in parts of London'. So I just asked them 'so what's your excuse im my area, as I'm 35 miles north from London?'.

BenMcr 05-09-2012 10:52

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35469573)
Any news on when updates will be really happening?

My Virgin Media still shows my area has been updated when it hasn't.

120Mbit schedule still hasn't been released yet, so still in the same position as discussed before.

Itshim 05-09-2012 12:33

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My bug is paying the same rate for a lesser service.
What that speed is does not interest me.However I do object to people getting X speed for £Y `s when I pay the same but get X speed halved. If you charge by speed, deliver or compensate the people that you have failed to supply it to.

BenMcr 05-09-2012 13:09

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471011)
My bug is paying the same rate for a lesser service.
What that speed is does not interest me.However I do object to people getting X speed for £Y `s when I pay the same but get X speed halved. If you charge by speed, deliver or compensate the people that you have failed to supply it to.

Except they've not failed to supply the speed you signed up for - you are still getting it. What has changed is that the tier has had an increase since you signed up, which is something you can/will also get.

Itshim 05-09-2012 13:52

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35471022)
Except they've not failed to supply the speed you signed up for - you are still getting it. What has changed is that the tier has had an increase since you signed up, which is something you can/will also get.

Does not make me feel better, paying the same for a lesser service than other people are getting. However you spin it :erm:

Yet another case of Virgin and never, never, land. What are we looking at 14-15 months to deliver on a statement.

BenMcr 05-09-2012 14:02

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471037)
What are we looking at 14-15 months to deliver on a statement.

Virgin were upfront about the timescale from the beginning http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...eeds-2322.aspx

Quote:

With the mass roll-out starting in February 2012, the upgrade programme will continue over 18 months and is expected to be complete by mid 2013.

Itshim 05-09-2012 14:38

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35471043)
Virgin were upfront about the timescale from the beginning http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...eeds-2322.aspx


However mine has been pushed back. So why o why would I have any faith it it happening within that time scale. It certainly does not negate the point that for 15 months I will in effect be subsidising other customers. That is if higher speeds in fact cost more , if they don`t why charge more for them.

Which ever way you try to spin it I am out of pocket -so to speak .:(

carlwaring 05-09-2012 14:42

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No. You really aren't :)

Itshim 05-09-2012 14:53

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35471057)
No. You really aren't :)

I pay the same as some one getting more, what do you call it, :erm:

Go to a shop buy a piece of cake (That is cut in to four pieces) for a £1 the next customer gets two pieces for a £1 the third that also get one for his £1 so a whole cake is selling for £3 . two @ a £1 for some customers one for others I call that subsidising. :confused:

BenMcr 05-09-2012 15:19

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471063)
Go to a shop buy a piece of cake (That is cut in to four pieces) for a £1 the next customer gets two pieces for a £1 the third that also get one for his £1 so a whole cake is selling for £3 . two @ a £1 for some customers one for others I call that subsidising. :confused:

That isn't a correct comparison. Everyone that bought the same 'cake' at the same time as you are getting the same size for the same price.

Virgin didn't have to offer it's existing customers an automatic upgrade. They could have restricted it to new customers and upgrading customers only, and when there are complaints like this I sometimes wish they had as it would be less complicated.

Tim Deegan 05-09-2012 16:09

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35471043)
Virgin were upfront about the timescale from the beginning http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...eeds-2322.aspx

Sorry Ben, but I was told originally that I would be upgraded sometime between April and June. Then they changed this to July. Then I was told that a problem I had would be sorted when I was upgraded to 120mb by 29th August at the latest. Now I am being told October.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35471073)
That isn't a correct comparison. Everyone that bought the same 'cake' at the same time as you are getting the same size for the same price.

Virgin didn't have to offer it's existing customers an automatic upgrade. They could have restricted it to new customers and upgrading customers only, and when there are complaints like this I sometimes wish they had as it would be less complicated.

Yes they did have to, because many customers would have gone to BT Infinity. Which is something I personally am tempted to do if VM don't get their act together, and stop making excuses.

Stephen 05-09-2012 16:38

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471063)
I pay the same as some one getting more, what do you call it, :erm:

Go to a shop buy a piece of cake (That is cut in to four pieces) for a £1 the next customer gets two pieces for a £1 the third that also get one for his £1 so a whole cake is selling for £3 . two @ a £1 for some customers one for others I call that subsidising. :confused:

What??

You sign up for a package and that's your contracted deal. You are not out of pocket.

Tim Deegan 05-09-2012 16:48

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35471091)
What??

You sign up for a package and that's your contracted deal. You are not out of pocket.

I have to agree with you Stephen.

However the fact remains that VM publicised the speed doubling far too early. I presume this was to put people off changing to BT. And now VM have egg on their face. THey did tell customers that they would be getting more for their money. Yet all those paying the highest tariff (who were going to get the least anyway) have so far got no boost at all.

Kymmy 05-09-2012 16:51

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35471095)
Yet all those paying the highest tariff (who were going to get the least anyway) have so far got no boost at all.

Yet those paying the highest tariff (100Mb) was never promised speed doubling but only a 20% increase after the speed doubling was finished, what they did get though was a reduction in costs down to that the 50>100XXL contract pricing before even a small proportion of the speed doubling was accomplished. So in respect the highest tiers got their bonus before most people got their speed doubling.

Saint man 05-09-2012 17:02

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I don't post often but once I found that my speed wasn't doubling for another 6 months this is what i posted on the Virgin forum:


Why is it that there isn't a set rate for Broadband especially when people are out of contract.

I was previously paying £27.50 for Broadband only, and around January time I was informed that my package would be upgraded free of charge by July (hopefully), and I would be getting 60mb. Only a few days later I was told my package was going up by £2.50, package what package I only have, and only want broadband. I thought nothing of it as I would soon be getting double the speed.
Now when checking on the on line checker I am informed it will not happen until Dec possibly Feb next year, however I see that the current price for broadband only 30mb is £22.50 and for 60mb £27.50, how can this be right when I am being charged £30?
Surely I should be getting 30mb for less than what I am currently being charged? How can I have a price hike for something that others are getting both cheaper and better speeds?


Basically told to phone Virgin and moan. And they can't keep tabs on what people are paying once outside contract. My gripe is they made such a big thing about upgrade, didn't deliver, and now are re-advertising yet again. How can we be sure we will get this upgrade in the new allotted time? And surely they must know who is paying what, surely there must be some record on their data bases? And yes I know it wasn't a cast iron guarantee, but I took them at their word (Fool).

Tim Deegan 05-09-2012 17:41

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35471096)
Yet those paying the highest tariff (100Mb) was never promised speed doubling but only a 20% increase after the speed doubling was finished, what they did get though was a reduction in costs down to that the 50>100XXL contract pricing before even a small proportion of the speed doubling was accomplished. So in respect the highest tiers got their bonus before most people got their speed doubling.

I didn't say that 100mb was going to be doubled. But there is still no sign of the promised increase.

As for the price. I didn't get any reduction until I called them and increased my bundle. Then for 4 months I had problems with my BB, with one excuse after another.

carlwaring 05-09-2012 18:41

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471063)
I pay the same as some one getting more, what do you call it, :erm:

I call it "you haven't had your speed increase yet".

Unfortunately, VM cannot yet just wave a magic wand, or throw a switch, and upgrade everyone's speed instantly at the time. Some have to be first and some have to be last. That's just the way it works.

Quote:

Go to a shop buy a piece of cake...
Unfortunately, there is no suitable analogy for this situation.

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35471081)
Sorry Ben, but I was told originally that I would be upgraded sometime between April and June. Then they changed this to July. Then I was told that a problem I had would be sorted when I was upgraded to 120mb by 29th August at the latest. Now I am being told October.

These things happen. They're called "problems" and everyone has them from time to time.

Kymmy 05-09-2012 19:25

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35471111)
I didn't say that 100mb was going to be doubled. But there is still no sign of the promised increase.

As for the price. I didn't get any reduction until I called them and increased my bundle. Then for 4 months I had problems with my BB, with one excuse after another.

There's no sign of the promised increase as it's only just being piloted close to the end of the doubling.. Which is exactly what was detailed right from day #1 so I don't see what you're moaning about. Also some old bundles/offers will mess up the pricing, not really an issue as you called and it was sorted. As for the other problems that's nothing to do with the timelime/pricing so I don;t understand why you've mentioned it in this thread??

:rolleyes:

Tim Deegan 05-09-2012 20:26

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35471133)
These things happen. They're called "problems" and everyone has them from time to time.

Yes Carl, I know that companies often experience problems. But this is why they shouldn't make promises prematurely. And this is why it is obvious that they were just responding to BT's Infinity. If they had said 'you will get a speed increase, maybe this year, maybe next, but we haven't got a clue really'. Then how many people who are considerin changing ISP do you think would have actually gone? I know I would.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35471162)
There's no sign of the promised increase as it's only just being piloted close to the end of the doubling.. Which is exactly what was detailed right from day #1 so I don't see what you're moaning about. Also some old bundles/offers will mess up the pricing, not really an issue as you called and it was sorted. As for the other problems that's nothing to do with the timelime/pricing so I don;t understand why you've mentioned it in this thread??

:rolleyes:

As I said, they have given me various dates for my speed increase, the first one being May to June this year.

If I hadn't called them, then I would probably still be on the higher price.

The reason I mentioned the BB problems, is because they promised that they would be resolved by the 29th August whn my speed increase came in.

carlwaring 05-09-2012 20:57

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35471184)
Yes Carl, I know that companies often experience problems. But this is why they shouldn't make promises prematurely.

And, as far as I know, VM never have. Unless you can prove it.

Kymmy 05-09-2012 21:05

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35471184)
As I said, they have given me various dates for my speed increase, the first one being May to June this year.

Which is the date for the speed doubling which wasn't relevant to your package

Saint man 05-09-2012 22:55

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From what I can read into all this is Virgin basically, whilst not telling lies have convinced many people to stick with them as they would be getting a free upgrade. However to give an on line checker stating a certain time scale, then not delivering and putting it back over 6 months, is misleading. If they knew my area was going to be one of the last why tell me porkies. Yes the whole process may take 18 months, so why didn't they email me this fact. ie. you will be getting an increase in speed some when 18 months from this email, not send me to a checker site stating that it would be 6 months, and then when this time period expires I check again and lo and behold they have moved the goalposts!!!

hjf288 06-09-2012 00:40

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35471096)
Yet those paying the highest tariff (100Mb) was never promised speed doubling but only a 20% increase after the speed doubling was finished, what they did get though was a reduction in costs down to that the 50>100XXL contract pricing before even a small proportion of the speed doubling was accomplished. So in respect the highest tiers got their bonus before most people got their speed doubling.

And got STM'ed to hell...

Kymmy 06-09-2012 07:36

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STM was always going to come in and 10gb in the evening isn't a bad figure

carlwaring 06-09-2012 07:59

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Originally Posted by Saint man (Post 35471244)
From what I can read into all this is Virgin basically, whilst not telling lies have convinced many people to stick with them as they would be getting a free upgrade.

No. All they have said are "we are doubling your speed and this is when we expect it to happen". Nothing more, nothing less. No "convincing" or anything.

Quote:

However to give an on line checker stating a certain time scale, then not delivering and putting it back over 6 months, is misleading.
And, as I have said before, VM don't have a crystal ball or sooth-sayer so whilst the time-scale given was correct at the time, it was always subject to change. Unless there was some small-print somewhere that I missed stating that the dates given were guaranteed? :confused:

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If they knew my area was going to be one of the last why tell me porkies. Yes the whole process may take 18 months, so why didn't they email me this fact.
This was clearly stated, certainly in the Press Release. I can't remember the exact email but I'm sure it probably was mentioned somewhere. (In the small print, maybe?)

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ie. you will be getting an increase in speed some when 18 months from this email, not send me to a checker site stating that it would be 6 months, and then when this time period expires I check again and lo and behold they have moved the goalposts!!!
I'm also sure that the checker also stated that the date given was "just a guide" or "approximate" or something. (Again, it's been a while since I used it.)

Itshim 06-09-2012 08:10

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Sorry but if 30 meg costs £30 its a £1 a meg. Yet if I get 10meg for £30 its £3 per meg

Its therefore a) over priced to me b) under priced to the other customer .c) correctly priced to him . So I pay too much to cover the loss on him or I just pay to much!

As stated before by others . I was out of contract & looking at infinity / sky when this pie in the sky offer was made. Lesson learned NEVER EVER believe a word virgin say. Give them one thing they are the MASTERS of SPIN .

Kymmy 06-09-2012 08:18

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471298)
Sorry but if 30 meg costs £30 its a £1 a meg. Yet if I get 10meg for £30 its £3 per meg

Its therefore a) over priced to me b) under priced to the other customer .c) correctly priced to him . So I pay too much to cover the loss on him or I just pay to much!
.

Pricing for internet hasn't been linear since a penny a minute 56k dial-up. No ISP charges double for double the speed as most of the charge is administrative with probably little going to the cost of the product itself.

The issue here is that VM (and many other ISP's) tend to leave people on legacy pricing due to contracts signed when that product/service was installed.

carlwaring 06-09-2012 08:32

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35471298)
I was out of contract & looking at infinity / sky when this pie in the sky offer was made.

"A promise of heaven, while continuing to suffer in this life."
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/282700.html

I don't think anyone's "suffering", even on 10mb.

Of course, if you had had your upgrade by now you wouldn't be on here moaning that other people hadn't got theirs, would you? :)

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Lesson learned NEVER EVER believe a word virgin say. Give them one thing they are the MASTERS of SPIN .
So are these upgrades simply not happening at all then? :confused: Looks to me like they are. If they weren't then you'de be right. But they are, so you're not.

qasdfdsaq 06-09-2012 09:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35471304)
The issue here is that VM (and many other ISP's) tend to leave people on legacy pricing due to contracts signed when that product/service was installed.

Imagine if companies left employees on "legacy contracts" at work where new employees were being paid the same to work half as many hours. I think they'd kick up a big fuss real quick too...

gba93 06-09-2012 09:50

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35471335)
Imagine if companies left employees on "legacy contracts" at work where new employees were being paid the same to work half as many hours. I think they'd kick up a big fuss real quick too...

Don't know about half as many hours but a lot of employers (especially smaller ones) employ new staff to do the same job as existing employees at higher salaries as they can't attract them at the lower ones.

Kymmy 06-09-2012 10:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35471335)
Imagine if companies left employees on "legacy contracts" at work where new employees were being paid the same to work half as many hours. I think they'd kick up a big fuss real quick too...

Yet it's been proven recently that this has happened lots of times in employment (just look at the Channel 4 program "Show me your money") as well as service based contracts..

Saint man 06-09-2012 13:01

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Yes Carl, and I agree that they didn't have a crystal ball, but if they quoted 18 months in the first place it might have been a bit better. They must have had some timescale in mind when they let me know it was most likely to happen this July just gone.
But the main problem is why should I not be charged the current rate for a 30meg connection? Surely they know what customers are out of contract? And yes I could ring, and most likely will ring and complain. But I took them at their word and was expecting a July upgrade. Should I have been checking the site every day to see if they had moved the goalposts? It was only once I realised that my upgrade hadn't happened I checked.

carlwaring 06-09-2012 13:10

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint man (Post 35471389)
Yes Carl, and I agree that they didn't have a crystal ball, but if they quoted 18 months in the first place it might have been a bit better.

Stuff happens. Problems crop up. Etc. :)

Quote:

It was only once I realised that my upgrade hadn't happened I checked.
I rang the first day I noticed that new customers were getting 30mb for the same price I was paying for 10 :)

VM do not have enough staff to be able to go through all their customer database, find out who's paying what and how much they should be paying.

Saint man 06-09-2012 16:42

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Fair enough, thanks for your input.

Mick Fisher 06-09-2012 17:56

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35471495)
Bit of scripting should handle it. Truth is they don't want to enlighten existing customers that they're being fleeced.

Ain't that just the truth of it.

qasdfdsaq 06-09-2012 18:53

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35471341)
Don't know about half as many hours but a lot of employers (especially smaller ones) employ new staff to do the same job as existing employees at higher salaries as they can't attract them at the lower ones.

Yeah a small difference is fine, but this Itshim's talking about paying the same for 10Mb as 30Mb - that's a 200% difference. You might not complain about new employees getting 50% more than you but 200%?

---------- Post added at 19:53 ---------- Previous post was at 19:52 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35471353)
Yet it's been proven recently that this has happened lots of times in employment (just look at the Channel 4 program "Show me your money") as well as service based contracts..

Yes it does, and people complain about it (and unlike here, don't get told to effectively "shut up and deal with it because your argument is stupid")

carlwaring 06-09-2012 19:02

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35471495)
Bit of scripting should handle it.

And what about the extra staff needed to make all the phone calls? And these would essentially be 'cold' calls too. There's a thread around here somewhere recently about people receiving unwanted calls from VM. Now you want them to make more of them to more people? :eek:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35471500)
Ain't that just the truth of it.

Whilst it may be an opinion, it is not "the truth" unless you can prove it.

Saint man 06-09-2012 19:46

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
They could always email the great news that your price would be going down, or not only that just drop the price and mention why on your next ebil

Kymmy 06-09-2012 22:35

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35471510)
Yes it does, and people complain about it (and unlike here, don't get told to effectively "shut up and deal with it because your argument is stupid")

No one has said his argument is stupid, but if you find out that your employer is messing around with your wages, do you go and constantly moan about it on an internet forum or do you get advice on the forum then go moan at the employers ;)

qasdfdsaq 07-09-2012 10:22

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Personally I moan to a trade union. Consider teh internets as a customer union for ISPs?

Saint man 07-09-2012 15:20

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Phoned Virgin Media, they said they could upgrade me to 60mb, but for the same price I am paying now for 30mb ie. £30, but would mean new 12 month contract. I was told only new customers who would also be signing a 12 month contract can pay £27.50? Don't want to be tied down to a new contract so will wait for nature to take it's cause and get the free upgrade. I may be being a bit stupid here, but the speed isn't as much of an issue, but is the fact that I as a loyal customer of many years would be signing into a new contract for more money than a newbie, where is the fairness in that? Not signing a new contract gives me breathing space to weigh up my options.

linwelin 08-09-2012 14:12

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint man (Post 35471796)
Phoned Virgin Media, they said they could upgrade me to 60mb, but for the same price I am paying now for 30mb ie. £30, but would mean new 12 month contract. I was told only new customers who would also be signing a 12 month contract can pay £27.50? Don't want to be tied down to a new contract so will wait for nature to take it's cause and get the free upgrade. I may be being a bit stupid here, but the speed isn't as much of an issue, but is the fact that I as a loyal customer of many years would be signing into a new contract for more money than a newbie, where is the fairness in that? Not signing a new contract gives me breathing space to weigh up my options.

When i phoned them they said it would cost £12 extra a month to be upgraded now o.O no diea how they work this out considering new customers are getting it now, so i can either wait till january or pay £12 for an upgrade that will be free!

carlwaring 08-09-2012 15:50

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by linwelin (Post 35472085)
When i phoned them they said it would cost £12 extra a month to be upgraded now o.O no diea how they work this out considering new customers are getting it now, so i can either wait till january or pay £12 for an upgrade that will be free!

That does not sound right. I always use the "thinking of leaving us' option and speak to someone in the UK. :)

linwelin 08-09-2012 16:46

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35472133)
That does not sound right. I always use the "thinking of leaving us' option and speak to someone in the UK. :)

i spoke to a Scottish lady who said that was all that she could do unfortunately :( it was the upgrade department i spoke to, so maybe i should try a different department ? and have had VM installed for about 3 months now.

BenMcr 10-09-2012 09:09

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by linwelin (Post 35472163)
and have had VM installed for about 3 months now.

That'll probably be why then - you are likely on a short term offer such as a 6 month reduction.

To increase the speed now would remove the offer early.

linwelin 10-09-2012 11:06

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35472612)
That'll probably be why then - you are likely on a short term offer such as a 6 month reduction.

To increase the speed now would remove the offer early.

Nope i moved house recently, if you remember i sent you a PM about it, i am getting no reduction and on no special deal.

Saint man 11-09-2012 16:57

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Result! Had a phone call from Virgin they offered me a range of options, and I decided to go with Broadband L at £22.50 but without having to sign a new contract, happy bunny. Speed is not an issue 30mb is perfect for me as a single user.

Jonnymeg 15-09-2012 19:12

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by linwelin (Post 35472626)
Nope i moved house recently, if you remember i sent you a PM about it, i am getting no reduction and on no special deal.

You must be. It only cost so much to upgrade if you are currently on a reduction that would have to be lost.

linwelin 15-09-2012 20:40

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnymeg (Post 35474699)
You must be. It only cost so much to upgrade if you are currently on a reduction that would have to be lost.

nope i am actually paying more now than i use to in the other house, i am paying £45 a month where i was paying i think it was £30 for 6 months but that has stopped and i am being charged the full amount now.

I have

BB XL
TV M+
Phone XL

Maggy 15-09-2012 21:18

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
I just wish VM wouldn't announce upgrades so long in advance..I would have been in happy ignorance.:erm:

Tricky Trevor 18-09-2012 15:50

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35474721)
I just wish VM wouldn't announce upgrades so long in advance..I would have been in happy ignorance.:erm:

Yet by comparison,when it comes to new TV channels...they tell you nothing until they have actually launched! :confused:

carlwaring 18-09-2012 16:39

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Because they can do what they like with their own network but not their TV service which relies on carriage contracts with other broadcasters and the talks for which are always confidential up until the deal is done.

Tricky Trevor 18-09-2012 18:25

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35475566)
Because they can do what they like with their own network but not their TV service which relies on carriage contracts with other broadcasters and the talks for which are always confidential up until the deal is done.


Even when deals are done,they still don't tell their customers. Thank God for Media Boy who gives a great service to us.

Sirius 18-09-2012 18:40

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Well i have reduced my broadband this morning from 100 meg to 60 meg until they sort out the high utilisation on all the upstreams in my area.

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thenry 18-09-2012 18:53

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
has your double downstream ETA been met Sirus

Sirius 18-09-2012 18:56

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by henry (Post 35475658)
has your double downstream ETA been met Sirius

No,

but we have moved to 6 downstreams and 1 upstream. Over utilisation coincided with the local colleges and university starting back.

It down to bittorrent users if you ask me and why VM cannot use heavy traffic shaping on bittorrent at peak times i don't know. Bittorrent because of its nature hammers the upstreams

Chrysalis 18-09-2012 23:47

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35475660)
No,

but we have moved to 6 downstreams and 1 upstream. Over utilisation coincided with the local colleges and university starting back.

It down to bittorrent users if you ask me and why VM cannot use heavy traffic shaping on bittorrent at peak times i don't know. Bittorrent because of its nature hammers the upstreams

yeah your graph looks rough and in my view you done the best thing by downgrading.

My area has 120mbit coming in october and my normal upstream looks nearly as bad as yours, I found one which is ok although still congested so for me not all upstreams are bad. But as far as I can tell my downstreams are congested because moving to a better upstream didnt fix my download speeds.

For me VM need a rethink of their mindset.

First they have to accept they prepared to lose customers who are a hinderence, not get customers at all costs. When they accept that I would do the following.
Set a upload usage limit thats suitable for people doing things like uploading videos, photos, emails. But does not allow 24/7 torrenting. eg. on a 100mbit service I would think something like 30gig to be very reasonable and that should go a long way to reducing torrenting.
Then add in the AUP forbid servers been run on the residential service. Want to run a server? buy a business service. Gaming servers could be waived.
Rollout this new enhanced STM that has been in the rumours for over a year, I assume at the moment either VM have canned the idea or they cant get it to work. Comcast run a traffic management thats on 24/7 its dynamic, and more effective. It doesnt specifically throttle things like torrents but would more effectively throttle torrent abusers than VMs current system.
Add more upstream channels without increasing speeds further, I think each area needs at least US 6 channels with 2 sets of 3 bonded channels.
Use all 8 downstream channels without further increasing speeds.
Increase prices for the higher tiered products, I am on the lowest broadband package and was offered 120mbit the new top tier for just an extra £5 a month, thats ridicolous.

Qtx 21-09-2012 07:32

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Due to having a bad service for 6 months, downloading torrents is the only thing that my connection is good for. Used to have bandwidth usage of 20 to 35 GB a month for combined types of traffic but mostly played a couple of games online. Packetloss and oversubscribed UBR made the games and streaming not possible.

The fix date is December, 9 months after it was reported as being a problem but through an accident got switched to another UBR. This UBR has the same issues and same fix date but did get the speed upgrade when it switched, which was just lucky I guess. The connection is still only good enough for browsing slowly and torrents though.

Would have switched providers when Infinity hit here but due to move house and was easier to stay with VM for now.

Paul 07-10-2012 14:40

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Well apparently, mine is supposed to be "doubled" by the end of October.

Quote:

Your area is being upgraded

We estimate your area will be ready by the end of: October 2012

Peter_ 07-10-2012 14:44

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Mines come forward a few months.

Quote:

Your area's upgrade is coming soon

We estimate your area will be ready between: December 2012 and February 2013

Rob King 07-10-2012 15:17

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35482460)
Well apparently, mine is supposed to be "doubled" by the end of October.

mine is saying the same , so only 3 weeks till i get 120mb woooo

Kymmy 07-10-2012 17:07

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob King (Post 35482484)
mine is saying the same , so only 3 weeks till i get 120mb woooo

He's quoting the 50-100Mb upgrade, not the 100-120Mb upgrade

Taf 07-10-2012 17:18

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
CF14 Cardiff

Quote:

Your speed upgrade is going to take a little longer

We estimate your area will be ready between: March 2013 and August 2013
Still, it's a freebie.

thenry 07-10-2012 17:26

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
when is upstream going to be upgraded in Crawley. Downstream was done in July.

Peter_ 07-10-2012 17:38

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35482546)
when is upstream going to be upgraded in Crawley. Downstream was done in July.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/10/41.jpg

Jong1 09-10-2012 16:03

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Argh! I'm goin' mad!

Speed doubling here (New Malden UBR) was originally forecast for April to June 2012, I'm pretty sure. Then went back to September, then, until very recently, October. I check again today and it's gone back to December to February 2013. At this rate it will be a full 12 months late!

Does anyone know what is going on in Croydon/New Malden to cause these delays and have a better handle than the online checker on when the job will really be done. That website is now thoroughly discredited, whatever small print they use to cover themselves!

Qtx 09-10-2012 16:38

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35483181)
Argh! I'm goin' mad!

Speed doubling here (New Malden UBR) was originally forecast for April to June 2012, I'm pretty sure. Then went back to September, then, until very recently, October. I check again today and it's gone back to December to February 2013. At this rate it will be a full 12 months late!

Does anyone know what is going on in Croydon/New Malden to cause these delays and have a better handle than the online checker on when the job will really be done. That website is now thoroughly discredited, whatever small print they use to cover themselves!

South London VM network has been held together with string and blu-tac for so many years that they have to do some major work to give people what they promised or advertised.

Originally VM gave the excuse that the July date was pushed back to September due to the Olympics but with the date moving twice since, its probably incompetence, bad planning or simply they are holding off paying for new equipment for as long as possible to save some pennies in their bank.

VM is one of the topics on Watchdog on BBC 1 tomorrow. Wondering if it will be about this or one of their many other false advertisements. Could be about their terrible service, bad support or so many other things though :P

Jong1 09-10-2012 17:18

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
I have to say they are getting a bit of a rep for this at THE most senior level (Neil Berkitt).

Of the top of my head I can remember:

  • TiVo iPad app that still has not arrived 2 years after it was first demonstrated and a year after it was firmly promised
  • A big song and dance about Spotify and bundling music within Virgin packages
  • This speed-doubling website fiasco
Quote:

Dec 2010: "Confirmed: TiVo iPad app will come to Virgin Media service" http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...service-912206

Mar 2012: Paid Content Editorial: http://paidcontent.org/2012/03/08/41...o-years-later/
Quote:

"July 2011: Spotify charges £9.99 for its Premium service. “We’ll bundle it in to our broadband for significantly less than that,” Berkett told investment analysts." http://paidcontent.org/2011/07/27/41...-spotify-does/
The modus operandi seems to be to get maximum marketing coverage for seemingly cutting-edge technology, but then, through either incompetence or intentional deception, plans are delayed by many many months (years?) or evaporate altogether, until, in the end Sky get there first!!

It is really a shambles.

..and now all the talk is of "TV Anywhere". Let's see how that goes!

General Maximus 09-10-2012 17:31

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
it is all PR to get them in the news

Qtx 09-10-2012 17:39

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Some of the recent ones I had noticed that were upheld:


David Tenant VM ad "Say goodbye to buffering" - Ad now banned
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_201412.aspx

“Average download times with up to 60Mb broadband Album 9 secs TV show 54 secs Movie 2.5 mins HD movie 10 mins“ Ad on their website - ASA found to be misleading due to traffic management.
http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adj...DJ_194077.aspx

The complainant, who did not believe the small print was legible, challenged whether the ad was misleading.
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_186497.aspx

There are many more ASA complaints which where upheld, probably 10 or more already this year alone that. Yet I havn't seen one for advertising upload speed upgrades by summer which then took 18 months, along with the speed doubling and similar stuff.

qasdfdsaq 09-10-2012 22:33

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Not to mention the 100Mb rollout and upstream uplifts which were also a fiasco (remember them taking a full 12 months to even provide an estimated date, and then missing it twice?)

Chad 20-10-2012 14:55

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35483198)
The modus operandi seems to be to get maximum marketing coverage for seemingly cutting-edge technology, but then, through either incompetence or intentional deception, plans are delayed by many many months (years?) or evaporate altogether, until, in the end Sky get there first!!

Or BT up the stakes whilst Virgin bungle their way through doubling broadband speeds.

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=33828

160 Meg down and 20 Meg up on BT Infinity, if you live in one of their upgraded network areas.

The BT upgrade doesn't happen in my area until next yer. Wonder what will be rolled out first where I live? BT's upgrade or my speed being doubled by Virgin?

Not looking good for Virgin in the long term. Second best TV provider behind SKY and if BT keep this up second best broadband speeds too.

qasdfdsaq 20-10-2012 15:10

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35487015)
160 Meg down and 20 Meg up on BT Infinity, if you live in one of their upgraded network areas.

Only in FTTP areas. Where 330Mbps is already available and 1Gbps is being trialed for next year.

passingbat 21-10-2012 16:20

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
My area (Chelmsford) isn't due to be doubled in speed until, I think, mid 2013. When I log into My Virginmedia, I get a message saying that my upgrade to 60meg is now available and to click on the message to get a superhub.

I'm on XL but stayed on 20meg because my current modem is rock solid and I didn't see a point of changing it just for an extra 10meg speed.

Do people think the message is an error, or are they offering me an early upgrade?

thenry 21-10-2012 16:28

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
their offering it. take it. the SH can be put into modem mode. link your own choice of router and your away with more bandwidth.

Qtx 21-10-2012 16:44

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35487323)
I'm on XL but stayed on 20meg because my current modem is rock solid and I didn't see a point of changing it just for an extra 10meg speed.

Says a lot about Virgin when their customers are too scared to accept a free upgrade lol ;)

Fought tooth and nail to go back to an old modem and was promised one by every department. Never got one though.

raging bull 21-10-2012 17:01

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 
I am another who is staying with my Ambit 256, for how much longer I don't know.
If it goes US then no option but a shub, would much prefer a better option of another shub (model 2 possibly)?


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