Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34803391)

Winalot were ready to sign a multi-million pound sponsorship deal with Liverpool until they realised how inappropriate their name would look on the team shirts....

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803451)

Ah, Liverpool ... that would be the team that beat Man U. twice as many times as Barca did this season? ;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803455)

Denial is a wonderful thing. It'll help you cope better with having been comprehensively dismantled last night. The domestic season this year was a bit closer than a lot of you wannabe-Mancunians like to admit. I wouldn't hold out too much hope of actually bettering Liverpool's league title haul any time soon. :D

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34803469)

United won 3 half-trophies and 1 big one as well as CL runners up. Liverpool, as has been the case for 4 years, won nothing. Liverpool can push it all they want but consistently for 19 years they've failed when it matters most.

Not much denial in that.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34803465)

Banter and jokes aside I don't know how Liverpool fans can gloat at Man Utd fans today in a serious manner. There's a guy at work doing it. You'd think that 2nd place is better than winning the Premiership.

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34803476)

Thats because Liverpool fans take more joy in seeing United lose then they do in seeing their own team win.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803475)

Ah, so 'CL runners up' is notable for Man U., but Liverpool, despite being Premiership runners up, in your estimation 'won nothing'. That sounds like a fair and unbiased assessment. ;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803475)

And isn't it funny how we can take two decades off and now you're only just on level pegging with league titles? :D

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34803476)

Thats because Liverpool fans take more joy in seeing United lose then they do in seeing their own team win.

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34803481)

A Man U fan who didn't take defeat that well...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8529398

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34803483)

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Liverpool can have excellent games here and there, even beat the champions at home but for the past 4 years it has all counted for nothing and I don't see any change for a long while yet.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Liverpool can have excellent games here and there, even beat the champions at home but for the past 4 years it has all counted for nothing and I don't see any change for a long while yet.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803491)

Actually I think Liverpool's overall consistency and quality has been improving a lot. The stats for the season just past show that. Bragging aside, we did beat you twice ... in fact we did pretty well against all the top teams. Our goal difference was better than yours, we lost fewer games than you ... the only deficit was four draws at home. Yes, a win's a win and runner up is nothing in terms of what goes in the trophy cabinet, but you would be foolish not to keep an eye in your rear-view mirror, and bear in mind that objects may be closer than they appear. ;)

Liverpool's historic success was built on Shankly, with Paisley working magic on those foundations and Dalglish continuing it. However when he packed it in Souness derailed us pretty much single-handedly. There's no doubt Ferguson is a genius, but don't be too proud to learn from Liverpool here - once he's gone, it will only take a single less-than-perfect decision about his replacement and you too could find you lose that all-conquering streak.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803491)

Actually I think Liverpool's overall consistency and quality has been improving a lot. The stats for the season just past show that. Bragging aside, we did beat you twice ... in fact we did pretty well against all the top teams. Our goal difference was better than yours, we lost fewer games than you ... the only deficit was four draws at home. Yes, a win's a win and runner up is nothing in terms of what goes in the trophy cabinet, but you would be foolish not to keep an eye in your rear-view mirror, and bear in mind that objects may be closer than they appear. ;)

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34803497)

I find it funny how Liverpool's fans have changed the way they try and show they are a better side than United, it's gone from last years 'We've still won more league titles than you' to 'We beat you twice this season'.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803500)

Since always ... I just don't normally choose to bang on about it or pretend I'm more of a fan than I really am, seeing as my following goes no further than my armchair. ;)

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34803512)

I tuned in last night to watch what was billed as the "game everyone wanted" but what on earth happened....
Weren`t the teams, Man u especially reading from the same script?

Now i`m a Man City fan so you would naturally come to the conclusion that i wanted Barcelona to win....

Not so... "What, why, how could you" i hear non MU fans cry, well for the simple reason that i respect what Mr Fergeuson has done at Utd and would of loved it (i`m sure i`ve heard that before;)) if as being the representitive of the premier league in this showcase game they could have put messrs` Blatter, Platini plus cronies firmly in there place.

But what happened? this was not the same team that we normally see, it was the same players but my they looked proper dodgy!
Anderson was a complete and utter disgrace, in fact the united midfield where at large "missing in action". Park did his usual running around a lot but not actually getting anywhere, Carrick kept trying to play the wonder pass and Giggs was a non-entity....
Things only seemed to change when Teves was brought on, at least he didn`t look like a rabbit in the headlights whenever Barcelona had the ball and was prepared to get stuck in, albeit sometimes miscalculated.

Was this a tactical masterpiece by Pep Guardiola? i don`t think so, after Barcelona scored Man u lost all cohesion and basically looked a bit like the England team, 11 players who don`t play together often.

Regarding the commentary.......well what a complete and utter load of tosh!
"Messi is having one of those outstanding games"............WHAT!!!!!, apart from scoring what was a superb header(defence close down the ball, midfield players, mark the opposition) i didn`t see that many outstanding moments, save for one shot and a couple of half runs.

All in all it was a dreadful game, only one team turned up and the other was so shocked that they weren`t being given a game they just cruised it.

Ah well next year it will be differant, Man City will be in the final, Robinho will score a hat-trick of superb team goals and Pamela Anderson will be on the left wing naked...(oops sorry that was me dreaming last night);)

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34803512)

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34803536)

United didn't play well because they did not know how to handle Barcelona, their normal way of playing was not allowed and they were not permitted a lot of time on the ball.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34803536)

I think people are not giving the credit Barcelona deserved. Trying to claim United lost simply because they did not play well is a discredit to Barcelona because United did turn up. Look at the first 10 minutes, it's just once Barcelona started playing they prevented United from playing the well they are used too.

United didn't play well because they did not know how to handle Barcelona, their normal way of playing was not allowed and they were not permitted a lot of time on the ball.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803302)

Well played Barcelona, the better team won. :tu:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803334)

Yes, they were the better side, but not great

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803529)

Just what I was trying to say last night. Everyone saying how fantastic Barca were, and it simply wasn't so. Better than us, definately...but fantastic, I think not.

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34803539)

That's what I thought. Man U didn't get the chance to play well because they hardly saw anything of the ball. The credit for that goes to Barca.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803502)

There's another kind of Liverpool supporter? :D

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803577)

Now there is a pot calling kettle black.

Anyway I hear the number of swine flu cases has suddenly shot up in Italy, what with 50 000 mancs out there being pig sick.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803583)

There's that good old cockney wit. The master of mirth strikes again. I used to live not far from the Boleyn ground, and knew many West Ham "fans" including my ex girlfriend. Not one of them attended any of the matches, but they always had plenty to say. ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803587)

Funnily enough I live not far from the Boleyn ground and know plenty of manc fans round here who don't go to matches either, just ponces and glory hunters, they always have plenty to say to and like you it's rarely worth listening to, today is different though as there is not much better than listening to a bitter manc whine.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34803598)

The problem with United fans is that there are so many of them, everywhere! It doesn't matter what part of England you go too, you'll bump into a dozen or so United fans at least. All ready to gloat about their team, so yesterday was a welcome break :D

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803324)

And I think it's funny how bitter Arsenal fans come on twittering simply because they were given the runaround in the semi's, but hey ho. ;)

I was, of course, referring to Tyldesleys presumption that Barca were head and shoulders above us, when they weren't, in my opinion. It wasn't a rant over Tyldesleys commentary style per se. Do try and keep up. ;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34803491)

Actually I think Liverpool's overall consistency and quality has been improving a lot. The stats for the season just past show that. Bragging aside, we did beat you twice ... in fact we did pretty well against all the top teams. Our goal difference was better than yours, we lost fewer games than you ... the only deficit was four draws at home. Yes, a win's a win and runner up is nothing in terms of what goes in the trophy cabinet, but you would be foolish not to keep an eye in your rear-view mirror, and bear in mind that objects may be closer than they appear. ;)

Liverpool's historic success was built on Shankly, with Paisley working magic on those foundations and Dalglish continuing it. However when he packed it in Souness derailed us pretty much single-handedly. There's no doubt Ferguson is a genius, but don't be too proud to learn from Liverpool here - once he's gone, it will only take a single less-than-perfect decision about his replacement and you too could find you lose that all-conquering streak.

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34803576)

I don't thin the team selection helped either. We basically only had Carrick in midfield, Anderson has second season blues and has had a shocker all season. Park is too weak and no where near United quality, Giggs wandered too far upfield even though the ball wasn't getting that far and Rooney isn't a left winger. That only left Carrick so we never had the ball all night.

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34803617)

Isn't that a sign of the times eh?

We can still say that we are the premier league champions, but you are reduced to statistics about goal difference and that you won two games against us, which did nothing for you to win the title. ;) :D

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34803615)

In my opinion Barca were head and shoulders above united, indeed it showed when a 5ft 7 footballer managed to tower ferdinand who is no dwarf and power in the second goal.

United were found out the way they were against Liverpool, united seemed content to allow Barca acres of space without even closing down players, where were the tackles?

How the alleged " World champions " were undone by a european side is beyond comprehension, not that I mind.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803612)

Another delusional Arsenal supporter. You think Man U have the monopoly on out of town supporters.

Exhibit A m'lud

http://www.arsenalsupportersclub.co....-Branches.html

I've seen a fair share of Arsenal shirts in my home town too. Round about 1998, and 2002 funnily enough. Now what do those dates both have in common. :scratch:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803626)

Hey! Long time no see. Not seen you since your last fairweather day. :D

What has Messi's height have to do with anything, he was yards away from Ferdinand.

I've alreeady given credit to Barca in the last few pages. I'll let you off for missing them though, I know you only get round here when it suits. ;)

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34803633)

Messi was yards away from Ferdinand? so who was picking him up ?
Point being that no player of Messi's height should get near the ball, Ferdinand obviously did not learn his marking skills or positioning skills on the grounds of Merseyside, because if he had Messi would have been in the advertisement hoardings ;) Ferdinand was ball watching while Messi was able to smoke a hamlet then get up to head in the ball ;)
But fair one on you for congratulating Barca on their win, I will congratulate united on their league title win even though I feel they were fortunately lucky to win it.
So maybe next season United improve and they stroll the league? :)

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34803619)

Look at the final tables for last season then compare them with this season.

What you will see is that although no premier league title was won, united did not improve, Liverpool did, the figures do not lie.

On a programme on sky sports the other week they had two guys from United on, guys who work in the background at United, and they said that Ferguson has already warned the players that if they think that this season was hard they had better roll their sleeves up.

Giggs is on the way out, Scholes is on his way out, Ronaldo does not know where he wants to be, Tevez has apparently gone Awol, with the loss of the huge revenue that last nights game could have brought with a win hard times are on the horizon.

Liverpool can only improve, Fact.

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34803683)

Next year will be a new season and teams who have shown promise one season have failed to live upto that promise the next.

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34803713)

I seem to remember people saying the same thing when Mourinho won Chelsea's first Premiership, and he went and did it again!

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34803759)

I actually forgot to say "in the past".

What I was trying to say who knows what the new season brings ;)

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803591)

Are there any more bitter fans than West Ham? Gobby wide boys, with a bottle of Bud in one hand, and a circular saw blade in the other. If there are I've never met any. Sorry to bring up West Ham, by the way, I know you hardly ever talk about your own team very often. :D

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803918)

You don't know many united fans then? You only have to listen to your own manager, it's always something and having read plenty of posts on here the fans are pretty much the same, it's the ref, not enough extra time was played, to much time was played blah blah blah and who was it who jumped down whose throat after he cracked one of the tamest jokes in history, if anyones being gobby it's you.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803644)

You mean like Branislav Ivanović was in the advertisement hoardings. :D

I mean the bloke did it not once, but twice....And he outjumped half your team in the process. ;)

Thanks for the congrats though, see you next year. :)

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803942)

Perhaps you would like to link to some posts of mine where I have blamed the ref, not enough extra time, too much time played blah blah blah?

I noticed you glossed over my point about you not bothering to post about your own team, how convenient...

You only post to bait supporters of other teams, mainly Man U. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803942)

Perhaps you would like to link to some posts of mine where I have blamed the ref, not enough extra time, too much time played blah blah blah?

I noticed you glossed over my point about you not bothering to post about your own team, how convenient...

You only post to bait supporters of other teams, mainly Man U. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34803781)

For the first season in a long time Man U have not performed as well against the "big" sides.

A quick look at their Prem statistics confirms this:

Record against the bottom 14 sides in the Prem 77 points out of a potential 84. That is a masterclass in consistency.

Look at the record against the other top 6 sides: 3 wins out of 10 games.

SAF knows they have struggled this season in bigger games, this was exposed to the rest of Europe last night.

It'll be interesting to see what he does about it.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803960)

I glossed over it because it's not worth bothering with, it's untrue and do you really think I care enough about your posts to remember any of them, let alone link to them, besides I didn't even mention you. Only post to bait, course I do, that's why hardly anyone other than mancs bother with this thread anymore, they got fed up with being mobbed at every opportunity, oh nice avatar btw coz that isn't baiting anyone at all is it.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34803598)

It doesn't matter what part of England you go too, you'll bump into a dozen or so United fans at least.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34803962)

My point was that of the two teams, United and Liverpool, putting to one side the fact united won the premiership trophy, Liverpool improved far more than United this season there is no getting away from that, as much as there is no getting away from where the trophy temporarily is.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803967)

There's a shock. Can't even back up your accusations now.

There are plenty of supporters from other teams that post here, so that's a lame excuse. As for my avatar, it was aimed at someone who obviously has a much better sense of humour than you have. And for your information, they took it as such.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803977)

No it isn't a shock at all, I never mentioned you once or said all fans

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803977)

Seriously I wouldn't start on senses of humour because it was your complete lack of one that started this and this 'person' speak for all scousers do they?

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34803987)

The only people who have mentioned my avatar were Man U fans (tempting fate and all that) not one person has been offended by it. And so much for you considering it baiting, as I removed it during Hillsborough week, what a baiting sod I am eh? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803996)

The fact you removed it says it all and do you really think any scousers would start moaning about it, they wouldn't give you the satisfaction

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34803996)

:rofl: Is that what you have got your knickers in a twist about, the fact I pulled you up on accusing other clubs fans of being armchair supporters? United are nearly as famous for that as playing football!

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34804003)

The fact that, as per usual, you posted to get a reaction, and you got one, so deal with it. ;)

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34804016)

Ooookaaayyy.

Back on topic, FA cup final this weekend, i hope Everton win, i think Moyes deserves a trophy for the work he's done there, but i think Chelsea might be a bit too strong for them, hopefully we see some goals unlike there two league meetings this season which ended in draws. Jagielka might be a big loss for Everton against the likes of Drogba and Anelka. Hopefully it will be a good game unlike cup finals in the last few years whch haven't been the greatest.

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34804127)

Another one for Everton, really hope they can pull it of, allthough i feel it will be extrememly tough to do so(Hiddinks` last game and all that) with players out and the differance in class in key positions.

Let`s hope for a better game than tuther night...!

Who do all the Liverpool fans wan`t to win? Your 2 biggest rivals winning both major domestic cups must be hard to contemplate :eeek:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34804134)

I think it depends tbh, I've got family loyalties and i HATE Chelsea with a passion - so its the toffees all the way for me. Besides, its a bloody good excuse to meet up with mates in Liverpool and have a good day out.

I'm made up for Everton, it'd be cool to meet them in the finals again - just like the old days ;)

I've heard some nasty fans on forums who are backing Chelsea, God only knows why.

Chelsea **** are used to being runners-up anyway, why change it now? :D

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34804418)

Sorry to say Chelsea fans......

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34804513)

Are there any on here? Don't think i've ever seen a pro-chelsea post ever :dozey:

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34804518)

Yes there is at least one, but he seems to actually talk some sense, so you don't notice him amongst the din ;)

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34804519)

SLM is Chelski innit?

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34804520)

Hmmm, never noticed - or maybe doesn't talk about chelsea much :confused: :p::p:

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34804521)

He does, imo he just doesn't seem to go for "my team is better than yours" arguments. That's my impression anyway...

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34804521)

He does, imo he just doesn't seem to go for "my team is better than yours" arguments. That's my impression anyway...

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34804528)

What a refreshing idea!!! :tu:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34804529)

Now you come to mention it, he did mention it once in a pm ;)

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34804016)

Ooookaaayyy.

Back on topic, FA cup final this weekend, i hope Everton win, i think Moyes deserves a trophy for the work he's done there, but i think Chelsea might be a bit too strong for them, hopefully we see some goals unlike there two league meetings this season which ended in draws. Jagielka might be a big loss for Everton against the likes of Drogba and Anelka. Hopefully it will be a good game unlike cup finals in the last few years whch haven't been the greatest.

Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34803387)

A bus company in Manchester is looking for a qualified welder.

To replace the roof on a bus.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/GSH...9/GS119004.jpg:D

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34804534)

The problem that I have is that I do fall for the bait. If someone is being, how do we say, obnoxious towards Utd, rather than friendly banter, I will bite back. ;)

Originally Posted by matt-h (Post 34804055)

Couple of things , its hard to improve from winning the league so i guess we were just treading water by winning it again.


Temporarily? 11 out of 16 ( and 3 times on the spin TWICE , which is a FACT by the way ;) ) would suggest . as Russ b pointed out , that its not so much there temporarily as taken root.

Walk on? dream on more like

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34804602)

looking at the stats I'd say they were sinking ;)

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34804602)

United will always be in our shadow, do not delude yourself

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34804628)

So despite our dominance all all the trophies won since 1990, we've still in Liverpool's shadow?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34804639)

Well despite taking a 20 year sabbatical you still haven't over taken them.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34804639)

Football goes in cycles, Utd went decades without winning the league and now it's Liverpool’s turn. Difference these days is of course that exclusive gentlemen’s club aka Champions league, no smaller clubs will ever compete, unless of course they get a billionaire owner and then they'll just get accused of buying trophies :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34804639)

Anyway this'll brighten your day I am sure

Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov is questioning his Old Trafford future after being left on the bench for Wednesday's Champions League final. (Daily Mirror)

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34804642)

Equalled them in league title wins, blown them out of the water in FA Cup wins, replaced them as the dominant force in English football, I'm assuming you just mean Euro cups?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34804648)

No I was talking about leagues, which are the benchmark imo

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34804653)

I did mention leagues there champ. We're now on equal terms with them which is why they now stop bleating "come back when you've won the league 18 times". 2 more Euro cups and I wonder what will be left then, maybe "come back when your manager has had more team-demotivating-public-rants-that-end-up-dropping-league-points than us"?

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34804653)

Just found the Berba story - don't know if it's true but it's put a spring in my step this morning :)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34804658)

Ah yes Rafa's rant, do you really think it made any difference at all, seems to me this mind games lark has little to no impact what so ever, a complete fallacy

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34804663)

I don't think there's much of a coincidence that Liverpool's 2 slumps (including squandering a 10 point gap) happen when Rafa lost his head and spouted a load of nonsense. It takes nerves of steel to take on the master of mind games and Rafa showed he doesn't have it....yet, possibly.