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The only thing I forgot to do was the number plate. Mind you the speed I was doing any cop could have got my chassis number (VIN) :D

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Saw the police pulling cars in this morning. you could see the drivers clearing the snow off the roof and side windows.

it really is ridiculous the way some drive without being able to see around them.

and ones who drive with snow covering up their front and back lights. complete morons.

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saw a car today with all the lights front and back covered in snow plus snow on the roof and bonnet. Seems some people are more worried about getting cold cleaning it off then they are about safety

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I know. they do the bare minimum and probably think they're in a safe bubble because they can't see anything.

them sort of people deserve to smash the car up against a kerb or a great big tree and the insurance don't pay out via the 'stupid moron clause' :)

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My colleague just told me one of his friends got 3 points for driving on the motorway with about 7 inches of set snow on the roof of her car. The policeman that pulled her over said she was going against the highway code and causing a danger to other drivers on the motorway, as the ince/snow could fall back and distract the car behind.

Although I agree with her being pulled over, I think a warning or educational advice would have been a much fairer and more common sense approach.

Having read the previous posts I've asked my colleague to show her the link provided by Derek earlier. There could be more to her points then she is letting on.

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Yeh, she was driving her car in a dangerous condition. probably couldn't even see her rear lights as well.

then she might not have cleared the snow from the front and side windows, so she has great big blindspots where she can't see other drivers and pedestrians.

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Here is a brilliant question for members, As the snow is that bad, and have terrible problems at major airports with ice on planes, and they have to be de-iced before take off, Then what happens when the plane is at 50.000 and you can actually see the ice on the window ?

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i believe that most planes have de-icing systems for in flight de-icing .

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I think the main problem with the snow and ice at ground level is simply the problem of the planes skidding on the runway and taxiway. Although the other problem would be the engines icing up, and I don't think that is likely to happen if they are running (as they would be in the air), as they'd get too hot.

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Well, Arthur, at 35,000 feet, temperature is around -55C, so the planes are designed for this temperature (and obviously, the air pressure is lower, so that has an effect).

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AFAIK the problems with ice building up on an aircraft are

a)Extra drag & loss of lift, especially when trying to take off
b)The chance ice build up will stop the control surfaces (flaps, leading edge extensions, etc) working properly.


In order for ice to form there must be water/water vapour present in the air - at 35,000 feet & -55°C there is much less water vapour than at ground level, so the aircraft is less prone to icing up at high altitude, than it is lower down.

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It also has to remembered that rock salt and grit cannot be used on runways for obvious reasons ,which people quite often forget

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Thanks for that.

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Well we had a dusting of snow yesterday am then a rise in temperature and driving rain has gotten rid of the last of the snow..we are clear but I'm not sure how clear it it north of Fareham and Portsdown Hill.I gather much of Hampshire was/is still covered by snow and ice.The last I heard Southhampton Airport was still working.

Just a very slight freeze overnight,barely any on my windscreen.Too much cloud to see the eclipse sadly.

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Getting pretty bad in Redcar right now, was already a foot of snow and it keeps on falling, looking over the road at the wall it must be close to 2foot in places. Place is like a ghost-town too, no cars at all with only the occasional bus going at 5mph.

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It seems to be thawing out a little here at the moment. Hope it stays that way.

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It would appear that there is a man of honour and intergity in charge of BAA ,makes a nice change for someone at the top to admit they cocked up and could do better :tu:

Didn't realise that BAA were owned by the spanish :shrug:

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my take on this is he gave up his bonus because it was easier than resigning over his abject failure to keep a couple of bits of tarmac snow free ,and thus caused total chaos -not to mention the farce of people sleeping on the airport floor - off with his head i say .

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I suppose that is the cynicle way to look at things ;) and maybe you are right .It would be interesting to know how much he has given up ,last years salary and bonus came to £944,000 so maybe he won't miss it that much ...mmmmm...(reconsidered) ORF WITH 'IS BLOOMIN' 'EAD

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I told you the hill was slippery...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/21.jpg

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Wife skidded on sheet ice and rolled the car on Tuesday. Bumped and bruised but ok ... our 2-year-old came out of it almost unscathed, thankfully. Car's probably a gonner though. Thankfully she doesn't remember the state it was in when it came to rest, but I saw it and it's scaring the living daylights out of me.

Just thankful to have my girls home and safe though.

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Sorry to hear that Chris but happy to hear there all ok.

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Bad news, but the important thing is that your family is (mostly) unhurt.

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Whoa that is awful, good to hear all are OK though Chris.

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I am relieved to hear that your wife and youngster are OK Chris, I remember seeing my Father's car after it had rolled and couldn't stop shaking for days even though both he and my Mother walked away with only a few injuries the "What ifs" wouldn't stop running through my imagination.

I must admit to being very inexperienced at driving in the snow and ice and have had a couple of breath holding moments over the last couple of weeks. I know the theory behind winter driving but putting it into practice is another matter.

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Gosh that is scary, I'm so glad they are both ok ...

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so how much are the betting shops going to pay out the year.
this was last year
http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/0...lion-snow-bet/

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My traction control tells me that the roads haven't seen any grit yet tonight. If anyone has to go out tonight be extra careful!

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Yes, I noticed that earlier - be careful out there.

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The TC on my BMW won't let me even get off my driveway (on a slope) let alone tell me what is obvious, nor let me turn it off for some fun around the roundabouts in Milton Keynes :(

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Not just the UK suffering/having transport problems....

BBC

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I bet those airports won't be down for several days though.

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That all depends on how reliable winter snow is in those parts of the US. I expect that they, like Heathrow, have undertaken a cost/benefit analysis and have invested in the appropriate machinery.

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The snow that the US is having right now may move info the UK within the next two weeks.

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20 inches in New York and 2000 flights cancelled within the area affected

I think they may not be as prepared as much as they might have been under normal winter conditions.

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They might have problems in the states, but l bet anyone, that they will be operating within hours, NOT days or weeks.

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Of course you would Arthur, because you believe everything you read in that disreputable red-top rag they call the Star.

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I get all the info on the airport from my own eyes, l live near there,

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I doubt very much that your eyes tell you anything about the airport's crisis planning or capital expenditure budget.

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Since when have you moved next to the one in the states that has had all that snow :D

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Since when have you moved next to the one in the states that has had all that snow :D

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That's funny - I was thinking the exact same thing....must have excellent eyesight to see all the way to Newark...

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I eat plenty of carrots, l mean l live near Heathrow, they had problems that lasted several days, and we had trouble clearing our roads etc, an yet the Americans will be up and running within hours.

I like the bit on Sky, where was a an cleaner clearing the pavement of snow using a machine - l hope councils were watching.

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The problem is though arthur if the councils invest in the machinery to do this then up goes the council tax but i'm sure you will be fine with that .You would be the first to rant about about councils having redundant machinery lying around costing money when the council tax goes up

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The latest news states it may take a week or more to clear the backlog in the states.

Did you miss the bit were they said South Carolina had been hit by snow for the first time in over 100 years, how prepared do you think that state is to clear snow.;)

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Looking at the news the Americans are up and running

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12084646

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you should have had a few quid on that bet -:tu:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st-inches.html

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That's what irritates me about the UK. As I understand it, New York is no more likely to have snow than we are, but they are able to cope with several feet, while London struggles with a couple of inches.

Take my own experiences on that day if heavy snowfall, OK we *did* have the heaviest snowfall for 25 years, so I did expect trouble getting home. On reflection, I should have walked, but I made the mistake of believing the lies being peddled by the various transport company websites, and the national rail call centre.

I live in Greater London. 13 miles from the centre of London. On that first day, we lost all public transport to our town. Our station was closed due to a tree falling on the line (although oddly National Rail insisted it was open but suffering delays of up to half an hour). TFL stated we had a bus service running with delays, although the hour and a half I spent waiting at East Croydon (which is a major transport hub) without seeing one bus suggests otherwise.

The next day, the local rail station was still closed, but at least the national rail website was now saying it was closed.

Ultimately, our bus service was down for 48 hours. The train service was down for nearly a week (they actually restarted the service on the Monday after the Tuesday we had the snow). During that week, we had no indication of when (or even if) the station would re-open.

I'd still like to know why it took National Rail nearly a week to clear a fallen tree.

The worst part, however, was that the companies involved didn't seem to be giving their own staff any info, so the staff directed passengers to the various websites. This would have been a good thing, had the websites had the correct info.

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Although i feel the problem isn't a clear cut as simply buying new improved plant to deal with the snow ,i do agree that all of the transport companies affected could have done much better in communicating with users ,and that doesn't cost much extra if anything .I believe (listening to reports)one of the big problems was passengers turning up at airports ,stations ect simply because they wanted information but could not get it any other way other than trying to get it from the source i.e talking to someone at the airport or station

As my headmaster used to say ..must try harder

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You see this is what makes me luagh, this country 'claims' it has lost millions of pounds due to the bad weather, and yet if they had invested in proper stuff to sort these conditions out, then this would not have happened.

Gatwick invested in proper machinery and survived and yet Heathrow, was stuffed.

The UK is far behind other countries in everything we do.

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i thought gatwick closed ?

How much should the airports/local authorities spend then arthur and how much should the airport fees and council tax go up then

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Gatwick closed for a shorter time than Heathrow..and got far more of their flights up and running.

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That's the thing. If just one of the companies concerned had been honest and admitted that they couldn't run a service to the town were I live and they didn't know when they would be able to, instead of saying there would be a bus or train along soon, I would have walked and got home a lot more quickly than I did.

I don't expect our transport not to be affected by the weather. To expect that is unreasonable. I do, however, expect it to recover quickly (which hasn't happened) and I do expect them to not lie to us.

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Hang on there fella

The airports are privately run are they not. If they are privately run then the company that runs them should buy the kit.

So if you want to blame the Government blame the previous Government that had been in charge for the last 10 years or more not the Goverment that has been in power less than a year, However i think you will find you need to blame the companies running the Ruddy airports.

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Then leave and go to a country that you think is better.


As for blame we should be looking at companies running the trains and asking them WHY they do not have the kit to clear up the snow. They make enough money out of us so they should invest some of it to keep there service running.

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I think a lot of it is down to it being Xmas. and the workers and even employers having a slack and lazy attitude towards the work that needs doing.

they think that it's acceptable, and it actually is that not a lot gets done over Xmas. especially when snow is concerned.

a bit of snow has everyone wondering if they'll be going home early that day.

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at xmas? no chance of that the country's shut .;)

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I personally am not blaming the goverment for the trains. The buses, however, while privately run, cannot apparently run if the roads are icy (although, oddly, they had no trouble before privatisation) and the local council and/or government are responsible for gritting those roads.

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Can't see that being the case. The average winter snowfall in New York City is 28" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

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Each year when we get bad weather, this country grinds to a halt for days, airports, railways, and the motorways get stuck and millions of pounds is lost, staff cannot get into work etc..

Can anyone name a country that gets bad weather and stay's in trouble for the same length of time ?

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Yay! It's almost all gone here which is good as i have a long trip to make tomorrow to see my folks :)

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America?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12090575

- you really are determined to slag off the UK, aren't you Arthur?

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Why oh why do people insist on comparing the UK with the US?

New York / Washington etc always get tons of snow each year and almost every house will have snow shovels and snow blowers, and local councils have the equipment on standby.

If we weren't protected by the gulf stream we would get the same amount of snow.

So please, please stop going on about it.

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Moscow? As you know they are well known for their nice warm winters... :rolleyes:

Snow gets worse

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The point I was making was that that the Eastern US was dumped with an exceptional amount of snow, recently - as, in proportion, were we in the UK.

- neither country can claim they 'took it in their stride' - even with the extra equipment available in the US?

- the key phrase being 'in proportion' - I totally agree a direct comparison isn't realistic :)

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It wasn't aimed at you, but at those that always say that a country that always get bad weather and the equipment for it clear up quicker than us who don't get bad weather that often, and as such dont spend the cash on stuff that would sit in a garage and slowly rust.

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I wasn't taking it personally, I agree with what you say :angel:

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Haven't read more than the last 6 posts but, imho it's ridiculous, the news reports ( if you believe the figures ) say that we were losing around a billion a day in lost revenue across the country, it's sounds a lot but thats media hype, ok, so say it's half that, so we lose a half billion pounds a day due to snow, surely it makes sense, both economical and social to have better / more resources available, or am I being stupid ?

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It's a lot of nonsense. Much of that demand for goods and services doesn't go away just because of the weather and will be made up in the coming weeks as people get back to their desks and work on the backlog.

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So where do they get their figures from ? the demand for goods and services ? do you mean like food / fuel etc, i know you live in the sticks, and it must be pretty isolated, iirc, you work from home, I imagine then you have a healthy stocked larder, down here, in big old Stockton, we were running low on basics like bread, milk and petrol, to try and get through " the coming weeks " as you say. It's only since today that the roads have really been ok to drive, where you could see the road and not have to guess ( only a slight exaggeration there as well )

So no, imho, we are not prepared and we should be, after year upon year of it, too hot, too cold, not enough........ you get my point, we as a country, are a joke when it comes to weather, and being prepared for it, why.... government /s not wanting to spend money.

:rantoff:

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You are, of course, assuming that the business concerned is not, in any way, time sensitive. You are also assuming the companies involved have enough money to pay their bills even if they can't trade for several weeks. Most companies don't. Can't see the banks, or landlord (to use two examples of bills that are regualar and relatively fixed) allowing companies to miss this months Mortgage or Rent because they couldn't trade for several days.

You are also assuming that the staff of the companies concerned are not paid hourly (a lot are) and can afford to miss all those hours pay. In my experience if you are in a position where you have to take an hourly paid job, then, unless you have a rich family or well paid/rich spouse, you are not likely to be in a position where you can afford to lose that money.

If I remember your circumstances correctly, you are one of the fortunate ones. IIRC you are in a position where you can work from home. You just need electricity, water, food and a broadband connection. A lot of people are not in that position.

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I'm not making any assumptions about any individual business. The figure quoted, 'a billion', refers to the entire economy, not any individual business, and is derived by the media doing a back-of-the-fag-packet calculation. Most probably, by dividing this country's GDP by 365 to find out how much the country produces in a day, and then assuming the country has lost X days due to the weather.

While there will certainly have been irrecoverable financial losses during the bad weather, there will also be a great deal of business activity that will simply have been delayed. Productivity that is delayed by a week or two is not lost to the economy. The figure of one billion, unless all this has been accounted for, is fundamentally flawed.

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Quite right ,when i go back to work on the 4-5th we will be playing catchup ,trying to do work we couldn't do when the snow was on the ground as well as current work ,Quite a good thing actually as normally this a naturally quiet period but because of the snow ,weather permitting of course,we will be really busy .The money hasn't been lost just earned in a different period ,This will be same for most businesses

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Not sure if you can view this video without facebook, but my friend posted it to his wall earlier - he lives on the road it happened on http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=1587979457262&comments

Part 2 http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/vid...37274&comments

BEWARE - some language is choice :)

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You have to be on Facebook to view it :(

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Just goes to show that there are numpties the world over :D

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Sorry dear, can't work out to post it without facebook :(

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Your fine SB. Dont worry about it. :D:D

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It's been snowing for the past hour or so here in the M27 area of Manchester.

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its not fair i love snow :S

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Not to far away from me and I woke up to about a inch of snow which did not fill me with any joy whatsoever. However it's all now melted with just a bit of the dratted stuff left where the sun don't shine. I demand an early summer this year!

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Any snow around Manchester??? Gotta go to Trafford area tomorrow...

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Was clear when i left the office at 4.00pm. Our office is on Simonsway by the Airport.

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Clear as is no snow anywhere or clear as is snow on the ground but roads clear?

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No snow anywhere. Its been raining nearly all day there.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

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Another normal Manchester day then.:D

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dont you like snow? do you play in the snow?

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So some very northen parts of the Highlands have apparently had a dusting of snow today.

Bet its not long before the rest of Scotland ends up with an early snow shower or two. I am sure it snowed at this time last year.

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Not so northern - Beinn Narnain has a light dusting at the summit today. I can see it from my dining room window. I've been posting the first sighting of snow up there in this thread for a few years now but this is by far the earliest.

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i dont think so.

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Close.. this was the first post last year Stephen of course by Chris

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1674.html

It probably had though snowed up in the highlands by now last year

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is there a page 142?

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There is thanks to you!!!!!!!! :D

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oh no just before i posted i saw page 142 i pressed it and it directed me to page 141 for some reason...sometimes these errors occur...has that ever happened to your cableforum?
i didnt mean it as a joke lol

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and i love how these actually is as soon as i post!!!:D

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We didn't see any of today's forecast snow at our level, but the hill opposite us did - the snow line is a little below 600 metres:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1318869357

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Central heating is on and cranked up a notch. The north wind's a-blowing!

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5c when I was leaving work today. It was 17 last week! bbbrrrr

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Yes l had to put my Fleece and me wooly scarf on.

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This morning the cabbie told me that all the doors on his minibus were frozen solid when he came out to start his shift, going to be a long winter.... :erm: