Re: Britain outside the EU
 

So, why not allow those wanting to come here to claim in their originating countries ?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

And they are trying - the French have the same issue we have with catching them landing in the UK; there is a lot of coastline to monitor.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59412329

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Oh look! You appear to have missed the point...

No one has said there isn't a migrant problem - but you knew that...

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

I'm possibly (some would suggest usually) wrong, but isn't this what many countries are now pushing for?
I think I read somewhere about the EU throwing money around to build 'immigration center' type places in or near the country of origin to cut down on the migration of people and do it 'in situ' as it were.


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We all know it, and have done for quite some time, pity all that gets done is even more talk about who's fault it is and how 'rules & regulations' prevent any meaningful answers

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

If true, I'm amazed it's taken twenty years of variations of these ongoings for countries to get this lightbulb moment.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Unfortunately, it's only a small part of the problem...

https://news.sky.com/story/record-mi...in-uk-12383928

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Funnily enough, I only noticed the other week that illegal immigrants have suddenly become irregular migrants . . not that it makes a blind bit of difference to some poor bugger on a boat.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

To be fair, if it was the other way around and there were lots of people wanting to leave the UK and claim asylum in France and we didn't let them, that would be a huge scandal. Imagine what the Express and Nigel Farage would say!

"You're not allowed to go to France, could you just sit here on this beach and look after this inflatable boat for me? Make sure no-one steals it OK lads? Thanks, bye"

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Good point.

Question:

If a 'migrant' got on a bus in Germany, and got off in France, are they then eligible to claim asylum in France?

Similarly, if a migrant got on a ferry in France and got off in England, would they then be allowed to . . you see where this is going?

edit: paid tickets of course, not stowaways

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

As I posted this earlier, yes and yes - international law allows refugees to claim asylum in any country they choose.

However, international treaties and laws can then be used to return those refugees to a previous country to process the claim - that is what the Dublin Regulation is in the EU and the option we no longer have since we left the EU.

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hmm . . . so why are migrants spending so much money and risking their lives on boats instead of tickets for a ferry crossing?

More so given we can't send them back, there must be something more to it . . . :shrug:

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Surely while part of the EU they could claim asylum on the mainland, get citizenship and then come here anyway so either way we couldn't stop them.


We do have to be mindful that some have left dreadful situations and genuinely need asylum. What is harder to accept is that far too many want to get to the UK. If they are fleeing from something then nearly anywhere safe should be OK, if they are fleeing to something it's slightly different. The threat could be as real but the goal a bit different.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Because we have UK border control in France for ferry crossings. That was introduced to stop refugee migration via ferrys. Same as the Channel Tunnel.

https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/...rder-controls/



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In that case they're then citizens of the that EU country and we should treat them the same as any of citizen of that country.

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no no no, they're refugees, migrants etc. Under international law I thought they were allowed to go anywhere to claim asylum.

Are you trying to tell me it's illegal for someone wanting to claim asylum, to actually cross a border to a different country in order to do so?

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We're going around the same arguments again and again about when and how that works.

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Is that because nobody knows?

When/why is it illegal for a refugee (or whatever they want to be known as at the time) to buy a bus/rail/ferry/plane ticket in order to get to their country of choice and claim asylum?

Simple question . . . politically screwed up answer ;)