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Sephiroth 16-07-2020 11:58
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043613)
We need to focus on 2020 and in getting the best deal for the UK.
Tell ianch99 that! You are spot on. But how much ground would you wish the Guvmin to concede to the EU?

1andrew1 16-07-2020 12:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043614)
Tell ianch99 that! You are spot on. But how much ground would you wish the Guvmin to concede to the EU?
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion on this matter. I want as close a relationship to the EU as possible as that's in all our best interests. How that's measured in degree of ground won or conceded to the EU is hard to measure.

jfman 16-07-2020 13:15
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If the Lib Dems still want to rejoin then I welcome them sticking it in their manifesto for 2024.

Sephiroth 16-07-2020 14:06
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043618)
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion on this matter. I want as close a relationship to the EU as possible as that's in all our best interests. How that's measured in degree of ground won or conceded to the EU is hard to measure.
And this is where it gets very fuzzy. Is that on EU dictated terms? Must we have this constricting "level playing field" the EU wants that would make us as unproductive as France? What actually is "in all our best interests"? No wonder its so difficult seeing as we're a sovereign nation and the EU doesn't like that.

Hugh 16-07-2020 14:13
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043626)
And this is where it gets very fuzzy. Is that on EU dictated terms? Must we have this constricting "level playing field" the EU wants that would make us as unproductive as France? What actually is "in all our best interests"? No wonder its so difficult seeing as we're a sovereign nation and the EU doesn't like that.
France has a slightly higher GDP Per Capita than the U.K....

UK - 43688.40

France - 44317.30

Sephiroth 16-07-2020 14:21
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043630)
France has a slightly higher GDP Per Capita than the U.K....

UK - 43688.40

France - 44317.30
Maybe - but the deficit they run because of the unionised work practices ....

Carth 16-07-2020 14:46
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Just wait until we nationalise all foreign industries :D :D

;)

1andrew1 16-07-2020 14:49
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043626)
And this is where it gets very fuzzy. Is that on EU dictated terms? Must we have this constricting "level playing field" the EU wants that would make us as unproductive as France? What actually is "in all our best interests"? No wonder its so difficult seeing as we're a sovereign nation and the EU doesn't like that.
Don't think the EU has issues with us being a sovereign nation (which we were before, it's not binary, as the Covid border closures showed) as long as we understand the consequences.
UK productivity is set to worsen with many people doing unproductive jobs in customs, etc. We already lag our peers in this measure.

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Just wait until we nationalise all foreign industries :D :D

;)
Have you ever seen Corbyn and Cummings in the same room? :D

Carth 16-07-2020 14:53
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maybe if we stopped importing so much shite, we wouldn't need as many 'unproductive jobs in customs' :D

Sephiroth 16-07-2020 14:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043638)
Don't think the EU has issues with us being a sovereign nation (which we were before, it's not binary, as the Covid border closures showed) as long as we understand the consequences.
UK productivity is set to worsen with many people doing unproductive jobs in customs, etc. We already lag our peers in this measure.
That's exactly the sort of fuzzy sentiment that cannot lead to a solution that works for both sides. They are far apart what's good for the goose is not seen as good for the gander.

Your sentiment is just an expression of discontent with the outcome of the democratic exercises that were held by the Guvmin.

Pragmatism might lead to a basic trade agreement on 31-December 2020 dealing with matters where there is no disagreement unless they still make unacceptable stipulations, the worst of which is level playing field.

1andrew1 16-07-2020 16:41
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043642)
That's exactly the sort of fuzzy sentiment that cannot lead to a solution that works for both sides. They are far apart what's good for the goose is not seen as good for the gander.

Your sentiment is just an expression of discontent with the outcome of the democratic exercises that were held by the Guvmin.

Pragmatism might lead to a basic trade agreement on 31-December 2020 dealing with matters where there is no disagreement unless they still make unacceptable stipulations, the worst of which is level playing field.
We were discussing the EU's view not mine. ;)

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36043641)
maybe if we stopped importing so much shite, we wouldn't need as many 'unproductive jobs in customs' :D
It's just exports for now that will need the paperwork. ;)

Sephiroth 16-07-2020 17:06
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043659)
We were discussing the EU's view not mine. ;)
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Don't think the EU has issues with us being a sovereign nation (which we were before, it's not binary, as the Covid border closures showed) as long as we understand the consequences.
Could have read either way. So I accept your explanation.

Mick 16-07-2020 18:07
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043638)
Don't think the EU has issues with us being a sovereign nation (which we were before, it's not binary, as the Covid border closures showed) as long as we understand the consequences.
UK productivity is set to worsen with many people doing unproductive jobs in customs, etc. We already lag our peers in this measure.
You missed the word "Independent" from Sovereign Nation. Which we were NOT before, being in a corrupt EU organisation.

Hugh 16-07-2020 18:11
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043632)
Maybe - but the deficit they run because of the unionised work practices ....
You appear to be moving the goalposts - your assertion was about productivity...

ianch99 17-07-2020 00:12
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36043573)
This genuinely gives me a headache. Yes it was 37%, but that’s the rules Cameron and the Lib Dems laid out.

Cameron, Clegg, etc made an arse of it. Following 2017 every attempt to prevent Brexit has pushed the needle further in the no deal/WTO direction. At some point they should have cut their losses, backed May’s deal, a customs union or put Corbyn in Downing Street. People’s Vote was nothing but a sham to boost the Lib Dems at the expense of Labour. It didn’t work with either aim.

People voted to leave and having tired of three years where nothing got done elected a Government to do it, and to that end Mick is right.

Reraking the terms of the referendum isn’t going to change reality. It’s only going to give the Government more cover from criticism with an easy get out, that galvanises it’s supporters and dismisses it’s opponents out of hand.

It’s entertaining to observe the Government backtrack on promises made and to have underestimated the task at hand. However, unfortunately, we do need them to make the right decisions eventually.
I also am sick and tired of the whole thing. The most depressing thing is that some here even now cannot accept basic facts and that is the essence of this whole thing. Even now, when they have nothing to lose, they still denying objective reality. Sort of sums the whole debacle up ..

BTW, the rules had nothing to do with Clegg, the European Union Referendum Act was passed in Dec 2015 after the Tories won the election in May.

Enough now ..


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