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Not really, as ever, he's treating as a 'we won' football match. We're all on the same side at the end of the day if you reside in the UK. There's still lots to be decided and therefore debated. 'Easiest deal ever' we were told... :confused:

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Being the bastion of democracy you make out to be I'd have thought you'd be all in favour of an informed democracy, if only so we are spared more of the shameful campaigns that ran up to the brexit vote, who knows we might not be such a fractured society now. Like the way you keep saying it's been decided several times, I haven't voted liberal at a general election since the coalition got in and I don't think I'd ever base a general election vote on a single issue, in fact I think I voted for Theresa May!

Actually he meant huge swathes of Kent will suffer, not just Ashford, for instance from more congestion, pollution, rubbish etc etc

You only get to take part in the debate if you were on the winning team apparently

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

You need to factor in the credit side of the equation, such as increased trading opportunities.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with all these negative stories and comments, Andrew - we are leaving. You may as well accept that. And also, accept that we live in a democracy - we voted out, and that's where we are heading.

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Well, the reason for that, of course is that we have waited for long enough. The objective of those who want delay is to try to prevent Brexit from happening. I think we can all see right through the reasoning at play here. All coming from the remainers, as per usual.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

The lesson that has come out of the ERG's dissatisfaction with the current withdrawal agreement is that it was negotiated against tight deadlines and the EU gained the upper hand as a result.

Johnson had the opportunity to learn from this mistake and to extend the withdrawal agreement so the UK was not in such a situation when negotiating the rea. long-terml trade deal.

However, he chose not to and as a result, the UK is likely to get a worse deal than if he had. Like all remain voters I know, we've accepted the result and want the best deal for the country. The quickest deal is in conflict to the best.

Worst-case scenario for the Conservatives is Brexit becomes Labour's useless idiot and unlocks the door to many years of Labour in the same way that Corbyn goifted multiple terms to the Conservatives. The Government has acknowledged that austerity was a choice and it's not so much Rishi Sunak's magic money tree now but Rishi Sunak's magic money forest thus removing the Conservatives' traditional USP.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

That’s a ridiculous assertion The Daddy, you search how many Brexit threads there have been, plenty of debate by either side. So no, actually, you and others have not been censored.

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And you think the corrupted EU is acting in good faith in these negotiations?

Yeah sure. *Cough* Bullshit *Cough*.

Your precious EU can do no wrong. Wake up. :rolleyes:

You’ve seen the clips from Brussels, Guy Verhofstadt and Barnier, joking and mocking Britain and how they want to make Britain a vassal state. These pricks, especially Guy Verhofstadt, are not genuinely interested in acting in good faith, they’re offended that we’ve decided to leave their corrupt project.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

You almost get the impression that many who are complaining and moaning about leaving the EU, are not so much worried about trade deals as they are about possible downturns in their private pension funds :D

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

The two things aren’t necessarily exclusive - but anyway, that can’t be true, as the opportunities will make the Stock Market soar...

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

Lots of opportunities for tape manufacturers, particularly those favouring a traditional romantic colour. ;)

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Pray, tell what massive change in events is going to happen between now and the end of 2021 that places Brexit in peril between 31 December 2020 and the same date next year?

Remainer politicians didn’t have the competence to thwart Brexit when they had an arguable Parliamentary majority. They most certainly will not be able to do so in the next year and six months without one. Where would such a mandate come from for a start?

Unfortunately for some leavers the ideological blinkers remain. Everyone is the enemy. An extension is about delivering a good Brexit, on our terms, on our own timescale.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Great post - I would probably phrase the last sentence as "An extension is about delivering the least damaging Brexit, on our terms, on our own timescale."

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Can you be sure of that? If the EU were to see it as weakness on our part, which they would, than we would be gamed. And that's in addition to increased contributions to their budget. On the EU's record so far in the negotiations, why would they change their position in our favour?

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Asking for an extension is a sign of strength and confidence in striking a robust deal beneficial to everyone, not of weakness by accepting a bad deal because the clock has run down. As we saw with the ERG's analysis on the withdrawal agreement, too short a length of time works against us.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 

Of course we could game them. The additional year would give us additional time to put underlying frameworks for global trade deals in place.

If the options are to end the transition agreement without a future relationship agreed the date is irrelevant to the UK/EU position - all it means is we have 12 additional months to improve the UK/world position during a global pandemic.

The whole capitalist house of cards is in crisis. It’ll survive, it always does, but the relative positions in the future are all to play for with careful planning.

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