Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35997220)

I'm an ignorant remainer that certainly wishes for it ;)

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997202)

Bring on another Referendum - Brexit Party trounced all the other parties no problem, including Lib Dems who ran on a stop Brexit campaign. They were just short of 2 million votes from Brexit Party.

Peston tweeted a graph before that if the European Election results were repeated at a General Election, Brexit Party would have a Majority government, they would have 414 Seats in Parliament. Bring on GE or bring on Second Referendum, we'll teach these ignorant Remainers that refuse to accept the result that the UK wants to leave and we have not changed our minds and never will!

Becareful what you wish for haha!!! :D

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status...64912713867265

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997224)

If you wish to ignore the democratic decision from 2016, like "some" Remainers do - then you are ignorant.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35997230)

You might have changed your mind on a second referendum but I haven't. But I think you're weakening your arguments with the term "ignorant Remainers". Whilst I don't agree with a second referendum as things stand, I respect the views of those who want one be they leavers or remainers.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35997233)

I believe (not want) a second referendum is fair based on the knowledge we now have compared to 2016. I'm not ignorant, my opinion is just different from yours.

Or

You're an ignorant leaver who at all costs wants to possibly destroy this country simply because you hate the EU.

Pick which one, it's your choice.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997234)

Don't try take moral high ground all of a sudden.

Us Brexiteers have been chastised multiple times on here and usually by the same posters.

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A second referendum is not fair - it's just an attempt by Remainers to undo the first one. But I do welcome one now that I have a very strong feeling, leave would win again. But you lot would still stamp your feet and demand another when you lose yet again. :rolleyes:

The knowledge we have now is no different to what we had in 2016, I don't think you should start bringing up this rubbish and very weak argument again. It holds no weight to it at all.

If you want to believe the crap about leaving the EU destroying this country, then more fool you for believing that rubbish.

You are also conveniently forgetting that The Brexit Party won more votes than any other "Stop Brexit" party, but then Remainers thought they were trying to be clever by totalling up all the votes for the Remain parties until, I provided the totals tally for Leave parties that showed there were far more votes for leave.

Fancy leave winning again despite an erroneous claim that we know more now than we did back then - this is and remains a false narrative.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35997237)

I, for one, welcome Mick’s change of heart on a second referendum.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997238)

There is no change of heart, I think calls for a second referendum are repulsive, I am merely saying that should UK be put through one again - Leave would win again, the issue I have is that you Remainers would then demand another, you know make the best of 5... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997234)

Don't try take moral high ground all of a sudden.

Us Brexiteers have been chastised multiple times on here and usually by the same posters.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35997240)

I’ve repeated many times I’d have no issues if leave won another referendum. All of the alleged weaknesses of the 2016 one are gone with another.

The straightforward answer to bitter remainers after a further referendum would be “tough shit”. You lost a clear leave/remain question, twice. In full awareness of facts. It also gives MPs the way to avoid blame with the electorate if it does go badly - they are carrying out a clearly mandated instruction in full knowledge that “no deal” is a likely outcome.

The 2016 referendum will never legitimately achieve the above.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997224)

If you wish to ignore the democratic decision from 2016, like "some" Remainers do - then you are ignorant.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997243)

There are no weaknesses of the first referendum - the campaigns on both sides played by the same rules - they both lied to get votes and it would happen again in another campaign in yet another referendum.

It shouldn't take two rounds of votes, well, actually three, actually four, to be precise, to deliver a clear decision and that was to leave. (2016 Referendum, Snap Election and Euro Elections just gone).

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35997245)

We wouldn't need another campaign if there was another referendum. Simple leave or remain question.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35997245)

We wouldn't need another campaign if there was another referendum.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997246)

You cannot have a democratic process without some form of campaigning.