Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

Complete capitulation, but hardly unexpected when a remain supporter is sent in to do a leavers job.

I hope this gets shot down in flames, otherwise there's no point in ever bothering to vote for anything again. Better to get out on the streets.

1andrew1

15-11-2018 09:09

Re: Brexit

Love how he voted yes, yesterday and today had a second vote!

heero_yuy

15-11-2018 09:13

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Quote from The Sun:

Mr Raab told The Sun: "I don’t want to submit to the blackmail of my country."

And in his resignation letter, he warned: "I cannot in good conscience support the terms proposed for our deal with the EU."

But he insisted he has "enduring respect" for Mrs May and praised the PM for fighting through "difficult times".

He is the second Brexit Secretary to quit in just four months - after David Davis walked out in protest at the PM's Chequers plans.

Earlier Northern Ireland Minister Shailesh Vara quit, warning the withdrawal agreement would leave Britain tied to "the shackles of the EU" - and stop us becoming a "sovereign, independent country".

Mick	15-11-2018 09:13

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35970820)

Love how he voted yes, yesterday and today had a second vote!

How do we know he voted yes ?

11 Cabinet Ministers are said to have rejected it, he could have been one of them.

OLD BOY

15-11-2018 09:13

Re: Brexit

I cannot see this agreement being endorsed. We cannot have a position where we are reliant on the EU to get out of the customs union. The NI issue is not going to be backed by the DUP.

What will happen next? Well, if the U.K. is not prepared to accept the agreement, either the EU must back down on those issues or we leave without a deal.

Given the consequences for the EU, and particularly the NI border question, I think we might get further concessions from them. However, in the meantime, we need to step up drastically our arrangements for a Brexit with no deal.

denphone

15-11-2018 09:13

Re: Brexit

His resignation letter.

Quote:

For my part, I cannot support the proposed deal for two reasons. First, I believe that the regulatory regime proposed for Northern Ireland presents a very real threat to the integrity of the United Kingdom.

Second, I cannot support an indefinite backstop arrangement, where the EU holds a veto over our ability to exit.

The terms of the backstop amount to a hybrid of the EU customs union and single market obligations. No democratic nation has ever signed up to be bound by such an extensive regime, imposed externally without any democratic control over the laws to be applied, nor the ability to decide the exit arrangement.

That arrangement is now also taken as the starting point for negotiating the future economic partnership. If we accept that, it will severely prejudice the second phase of negotiations against the UK.

Above all, I cannot reconcile the terms of the proposed deal with the promises we made to the country in our manifesto at the last election. This is, at its heart, a matter of public trust.

Carth

15-11-2018 09:17

Re: Brexit

I can see the Raving Monster Loony Party getting quite a few more candidates standing for election (and possibly winning) if it all goes mammaries skyward. No point voting for any party that claims to be sensible & honest :D

Latest manifesto: http://www.loonyparty.com/proposals/policies-a-z/

denphone

15-11-2018 09:18

Re: Brexit

Iain Duncan Smith, a leading Tory Brexiter and former party party leader, has just told BBC News that the impact of Raab’s resignation will be “devastating”. He says that Raab’s letter suggests that, within government, he has been ignored.

OLD BOY

15-11-2018 09:18

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35970825)

His resignation letter.

I agree with Raab’s assessment and I think the conservatives will come to that view as well.

Theresa May needs to go back to the EU and say that Parliament will never endorse such a deal. Over to them.

ianch99

15-11-2018 09:23

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970816)

BREAKING: Dominic Raab RESIGNS.

Resigning because he disagrees with what he personally negotiated? Does he have an identical twin?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35970819)

Watch out!

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uplo...t-Research.jpg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970810)

No, unlike you. I respect Democracy and don’t abuse it. I still want to leave this Hitler type corrupt empire, AKA the EU.

"Hitler type"? :) Really?

Damien

15-11-2018 09:31

Re: Brexit

I am worried that after living with the aftermath of 2008 we’re going to be living with the aftermath of no deal.

Carth

15-11-2018 09:31

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35970829)

"Hitler type"? :) Really?

I noticed that too.

I like Mick and agree with much of what he says, however I think he needs to slap himself on the wrist for that one, considering he admonishes others for similar transgressions.

Come on Mick, don't lower your standards ;)

Sephiroth

15-11-2018 09:33

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35970829)

Resigning because he disagrees with what he personally negotiated? Does he have an identical twin

<SNIP>

An unwarranted sneer/smear. Olly Robbins negotiated this crud Agreement.

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