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OLD BOY 06-07-2015 17:48
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35786050)
Most of the channels on Now TV are available to VM customers in its various TV packages as is the Sky catch up why would VM want you to have access to this content cheaper and with their customer having a direct relationship with Sky.

If you can't see that I'm afraid I give up.:D
Surely, that's easily resolved, by ensuring that access is only available to XL customers.

As I've said already, Now TV is now available on an increasing number of smart TVs and TV sticks, so why not give access via the TiVo box so as to give VM viewers more options?

Remember, our friend Mr Malone is committed to giving it's customers maximum access to content without necessarily owning channels itself.

All I'm saying is that it's no skin off VM's nose to provide this option for it's customers. Hell, they could even take a cut of the proceeds!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35786161)
Isn't that the same as saying that Tesco don't need to pay anything if they let Sainsbury sell their goods in a corner of a Tesco store? Why on earth would you do it? And, of course there would be a cost in terms of software and training call centre staff in possible questions.
VM isn't a supermarket.

They already have Netflix on the TiVo and they have invited Amazon as well. What's so special about Sky?

nodrogd 06-07-2015 17:55
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35786983)
We think bar the local news on the hour. BBC only need local Radio on the following hours.

Weekdays:
6am to 10am
4pm to 7pm.

Weekends:
6am to 9am
12pm to 6pm

The BBC can then pick the best DJs for England Wide shows.

If it good for other local Radio channels it can easy come to BBC Local Radio.
Really? Don't we have enough pseudo national ILR stations as it is without the same happening to the BBC. ILR was good until all the mergers & the penny pinching started, to such an extent that I now no longer listen. Up until a few years ago we had 5 different ILR stations available here. Now we have 5 Heart stations all doing the same thing at the same time. Only the adverts are different. Some of the best community programmes on my local BBC station are during the mid morning to lunchtime slots. There are also stations like Radio Cornwall that heavily promote the Cornish language during their programming. OK, so we do now have community radio, but it does not have the resources or coverage the BBC can offer.

OLD BOY 06-07-2015 18:03
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 35786179)
Streamed channel or streaming service? Whats the difference? Not a lot. They are both wholesaleing of the content, so if Sky wont allow one, they sure as hell wont allow the other either.
Well, for starters, the subscription cost for Now TV has been established and it has been well publicised. Why would Sky not agree to Now TV being on TiVo when it's available elsewhere? A complaint to OFCOM might be in order...

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35786490)
i dont understand the whole bbc 3 plan? its going online so will be a 24/7 channel streaming on the internet producing tv shows? How does that save money?

Plus bbc 4 is another version of bbc 2. bbc 3 is a youth channel. I have no idea why bbc 4 wasnt axed. plus itll look horrible on the tv guide...bbc 1, bbc 2, bbc 4....
It's cheaper to put programmes on demand than run a linear channel. Those programmes, as you say, will be available 24/7. What's not to like?

jj20x 06-07-2015 18:12
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35786587)
Do/did UCB broadcast on Freeview?
Not on broadcast Freeview. I think they have been involved with some of the older/discontinued IPTV services. UCB TV is available on TV Player although I'm not sure if it is carried on the Freeview version.

muppetman11 06-07-2015 18:26
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787035)
Surely, that's easily resolved, by ensuring that access is only available to XL customers.

As I've said already, Now TV is now available on an increasing number of smart TVs and TV sticks, so why not give access via the TiVo box so as to give VM viewers more options?

Remember, our friend Mr Malone is committed to giving it's customers maximum access to content without necessarily owning channels itself.

All I'm saying is that it's no skin off VM's nose to provide this option for it's customers. Hell, they could even take a cut of the proceeds
Because it doesn't work for each party you've already been told this by numerous people , anyone wanting Now TV has a choice of devices to watch it on.

Why would Sky want to give up part of its subscription revenue when their app is already available to anyone on a wide range of devices many of which are available at a relatively low cost.

OLD BOY 06-07-2015 19:12
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35787053)
Because it doesn't work for each party you've already been told this by numerous people , anyone wanting Now TV has a choice of devices to watch it on.

Why would Sky want to give up part of its subscription revenue when their app is already available to anyone on a wide range of devices many of which are available at a relatively low cost.
I haven't suggested that Sky should give up its subscription revenue!

It should be made available on the Virgin platform for the same price as on other platforms. As I said, if this service was available only to XL viewers, this would not disadvantage anyone!

It is not the best deal for Virgin subscribers but it would at least give us a bit more choice for those who are prepared to pay for it.

muppetman11 06-07-2015 19:19
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787065)
I haven't suggested that Sky should give up its subscription revenue!

It should be made available on the Virgin platform for the same price as on other platforms. As I said, if this service was available only to XL viewers, this would not disadvantage anyone!

It is not the best deal for Virgin subscribers but it would at least give us a bit more choice for those who are prepared to pay for it.
VM make money by selling Sky's channels included in it's many packages , Sky makes money through wholesaling it's channels to VM. As you've been told numerous times anyone can sub to Now TV on devices starting at around £10 in fact there are bundles about what save you even more.

If you honestly think streaming is the future I'd invest in a decent streaming device instead of waiting for things that are never likely to happen.

Anypermitedroute 06-07-2015 19:20
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787065)
I haven't suggested that Sky should give up its subscription revenue!

It should be made available on the Virgin platform for the same price as on other platforms. As I said, if this service was available only to XL viewers, this would not disadvantage anyone!

It is not the best deal for Virgin subscribers but it would at least give us a bit more choice for those who are prepared to pay for it.
Sounds like way too much hassle to sort out for just XL who already pay a hell a lot only to give an option to add additional nowtv.

Given developing, ongoing maintenance to add to TiVo probably cheaper if VM bought shed load of nowtv boxes (with 3 month entertainment pass I gather is available) for a tenner and cello tape and stick it on top of the TiVo and say here you go. now TiVo has nowtv (albeit to separate Hdmi slot)

That way you got it and sky supports it

OLD BOY 06-07-2015 19:28
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35787068)
VM make money by selling Sky's channels included in it's many packages , Sky makes money through wholesaling it's channels to VM. As you've been told numerous times anyone can sub to Now TV on devices starting at around £10 in fact there are bundles about what save you even more.

If you honestly think streaming is the future I'd invest in a decent streaming device instead of waiting for things that are never likely to happen.
How exactly does this mean that it's 'never likely to happen'?

I am making the point that if all available streaming services were made available on the one box, this would be a good USP for Virgin and save it's customers from having to have various additional boxes and memory sticks. Such a strategy would accord with Liberty Global's objective of maximising available content to it's customers.

While of course you and those who agree with you are entitled to your opinions, and I respect these, you haven't actually come up with an argument that scuppers my thinking on this.

If Virgin can invite Amazon onto it's platform, why not Sky?

Gunslinger 06-07-2015 19:30
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It's not just Now TV not being on Tivo - it is not available on Fire (Amazon) devices either, presumably for much the same reasons. And you won't find Netflix or Amazon Prime on Now TV.

To be honest, if you want the extra channels from Now TV it is no big deal to get a box and plug into a spare HDMI slot on your TV. Works great over Virgin Broadband, and a useful backup when Tivo Iplayer is a bit flaky, or if you want to watch one of the other catch up services without tying up one of your tuners.

theone2k10 06-07-2015 19:45
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787043)
Well, for starters, the subscription cost for Now TV has been established and it has been well publicised. Why would Sky not agree to Now TV being on TiVo when it's available elsewhere? A complaint to OFCOM might be in order..?
But it isn't on Samsung smart tvs, firetv box or stick,it isn't easily available on linux, only movies is on youview no live channels so i'm afraid your complaint would be laughed at.

1andrew1 06-07-2015 19:55
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35787090)
But it isn't on Samsung smart tvs, firetv box or stick,it isn't easily available on linux, only movies is on youview no live channels so i'm afraid your complaint would be laughed at.
Before anyone complains about Now TV not being on a competitor's platform (Tivo) they might want to first consider why Sky don't put it on their own boxes!

muppetman11 06-07-2015 20:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787078)
How exactly does this mean that it's 'never likely to happen'?

I am making the point that if all available streaming services were made available on the one box, this would be a good USP for Virgin and save it's customers from having to have various additional boxes and memory sticks. Such a strategy would accord with Liberty Global's objective of maximising available content to it's customers.

While of course you and those who agree with you are entitled to your opinions, and I respect these, you haven't actually come up with an argument that scuppers my thinking on this.

If Virgin can invite Amazon onto it's platform, why not Sky?
Fair enough if your happy to wait , I guess we'll see or not.

VM are more likely to launch their own improved SVOD offering in the future in my opinion , I believe Liberty Global already have one in some of it's other European territories. The name My Prime rings a bell however I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35787097)
Before anyone complains about Now TV not being on a competitor's platform (Tivo) they might want to first consider why Sky don't put it on their own boxes!
Exactly Andrew , it's there to entice those who've so far for whatever reason abstained from pay tv , it's certainly not to cannibalise traditional pay tv subs.

theone2k10 06-07-2015 20:02
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35787097)
Before anyone complains about Now TV not being on a competitor's platform (Tivo) they might want to first consider why Sky don't put it on their own boxes!
Exactly you've hit the nail on the head.

passingbat 06-07-2015 20:59
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35787078)
How exactly does this mean that it's 'never likely to happen'?

I am making the point that if all available streaming services were made available on the one box, this would be a good USP for Virgin and save it's customers from having to have various additional boxes and memory sticks. Such a strategy would accord with Liberty Global's objective of maximising available content to it's customers.

While of course you and those who agree with you are entitled to your opinions, and I respect these, you haven't actually come up with an argument that scuppers my thinking on this.

If Virgin can invite Amazon onto it's platform, why not Sky?
You will never get all the different streaming services on one box.

As someone who is constantly talking about streaming being the future, you really need to get used to the fact.

Btw way, for some of us who maybe don't talk so much about it, but actually do it, the future is already here.


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