Cable Forum - Russia has invaded Ukraine

Big difference between paying off loans and being blackmailed into giving up assets.

Also, most of the US funding was spent in the USA.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article...actually-works

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The vast majority of U.S. Ukraine-related funding does not go directly to Ukraine; it stays in the U.S. economy, subsidizing the production of weapons in at least 31 states and 71 cities.

While Ukraine gets most of the aid in the form of old American weapons pulled from U.S. reserves, it’s American workers at American companies that make new weapons to replenish them.

America’s military-industrial complex also restocks inventories of its NATO allies who similarly help Ukraine.

Not only does this revitalize the communities around large manufacturing plants in mostly Republican states, but it has created so many high-level jobs that some places are struggling to find enough qualified workers.

thenry

15-02-2025 12:51

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Has the money come from the tree he helped plant during his first term?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Melania.html

TheDaddy

15-02-2025 13:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36191376)

Also, most of the US funding was spent in the USA.

Something that most people overlook, donny damages America and hurts its people daily and those that voted for him seem to be hit worst of all

Pierre

15-02-2025 22:03

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36191376)

Big difference between paying off loans and being blackmailed into giving up assets.

They’re not being blackmailed.

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They have to pay for the weapons they’ve used

Not controversial

Hugh	15-02-2025 23:47

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36191409)

They’re not being blackmailed.

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The Trump administration has proposed to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that the United States be granted 50 percent ownership of Ukraine's rare earth minerals in exchange for its military support, according to a report by NBC News…

… The American officials also signaled an openness to deploying U.S. troops to Ukraine to guard these minerals,

<Tony Sopranos’s voice-over>

Nice country you’ve got here - be a shame if anything happened to it.

We can help prevent that - bada bing, bada boom…

Paul	16-02-2025 02:43

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So they want Ukraine to pay for (expensive) military support in minerals ? Unusual I guess, but doesnt really seem like blackmail.

Damien

16-02-2025 08:43

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It seems fair enough and if it helps Ukraine get more support then why not?

What's more concerning is Trump dealing with Russia directly and cutting out Ukraine. I think he and Putin might want to divide up Ukraine between themselves.

Hugh	16-02-2025 08:57

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36191416)

So they want Ukraine to pay for (expensive) military support in minerals ? Unusual I guess, but doesnt really seem like blackmail.

You’re right - it was more of a shakedown/protection racket than blackmail…

It was the way it was approached…

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One of the senior Ukrainian officials said that Kyiv received the proposed U.S. mineral deal just four hours before Bessent met with Zelensky in Kyiv on Wednesday. In that meeting, the treasury secretary “insisted” that Zelensky sign it immediately. Zelensky did not, the official said.

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Zelensky had only a few minutes to read the U.S. proposal before his Wednesday meeting with Bessent, said one person familiar with the discussions.

https://wapo.st/40ZiEwv

thenry

18-02-2025 15:34

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It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.

1andrew1

18-02-2025 15:45

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36191505)

It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.

There weren't any existing deadlocked negotiations to open up as far as I'm aware.

thenry

18-02-2025 15:53

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36191506)

There weren't any existing deadlocked negotiations to open up as far as I'm aware.

So Biden and his countries I mean, crew, I mean I don't know. Nobody was talking to Russia to end the conflict?

Hugh	18-02-2025 16:07

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36191505)

It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.

It's amazing how negotiations opened up when you don't include the country that was invaded and give away major concessions before the negotiations start...

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36191507)

So Biden and his countries I mean, crew, I mean I don't know. Nobody was talking to Russia to end the conflict?

Russia are happy to end the conflict if the Ukraine agrees to give up more land, disband their military, agree that an illegitimate regime is running the country, and never join NATO or the EU - what's not to like?

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nflict-updates

thenry

18-02-2025 16:18

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Not everybody lives like you Hugh.

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