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nomadking 13-07-2020 16:29
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043336)
Perhaps you need to direct that question to David Frost, the Head of the UK’s negotiating team, as he’s the one who think’s there are defects in the existing Withdrawal Agreement...

Or you could ask BJ

Also, got to love the way No. 10 are now trying to spin the WA as "Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement" - I’m sure it was BJ’s "oven ready agreement" when it went to the country / Houses of Parliament...

As BJ said 3 weeks before the Election
The WA was Brexit, that was delivered. We have left the EU. No going back. They are NOT seeking to amend the CURRENT arrangements, just ones for the FUTURE. They are looking for the "defects" to be rectified for from Jan 2021. It was "oven ready" as in something Parliament would agree to quickly. They had yet to agree to anything. The EU also had to agree to it, and they had.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36043344)
Who'd have thought the brexit dividend would amount to a 27 acre lorry park, it should be named Farage's garage in his honour, still I'm sure the people that live there, basically huge swathes of Kent, are happy with this, they knew what they were voting for after all
27 acres is not exactly "huge swathes". Anyway, Link.

Quote:
Asked about reports the government had bought land in Kent to build a large lorry park as part of preparations for post-Brexit border checks, Mr Gove said: "It is not our intention to create a massive concrete lorry park, it is the intention to provide the smart infrastructure which in Kent and elsewhere will allow the freight to flow."

1andrew1 13-07-2020 17:23
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043345)
The WA was Brexit, that was delivered. We have left the EU. No going back. They are NOT seeking to amend the CURRENT arrangements, just ones for the FUTURE. They are looking for the "defects" to be rectified for from Jan 2021. It was "oven ready" as in something Parliament would agree to quickly. They had yet to agree to anything. The EU also had to agree to it, and they had.

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27 acres is not exactly "huge swathes". Anyway, Link.
Lol, do you honestly believe Michael Gove's BS? It's somewhere for lorries to park. It's 27 acres. It will have a hard surface.

I think The Daddy meant that Ashford was huge swathes of Kent, not the lorry park itself.

Dave42 13-07-2020 17:47
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043348)
Lol, do you honestly believe Michael Gove's BS? It's somewhere for lorries to park. It's 27 acres. It will have a hard surface.

I think The Daddy meant that Ashford was huge swathes of Kent, not the lorry park itself.
remember the leavers saying there not gonna be a lorry park all project fear well it project reality when brexit meets reality then reality always wins

Mick 13-07-2020 17:57
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36043330)
You were dreaming. After all, we were promised:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36043344)
Who'd have thought the brexit dividend would amount to a 27 acre lorry park, it should be named Farage's garage in his honour, still I'm sure the people that live there, basically huge swathes of Kent, are happy with this, they knew what they were voting for after all
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043336)
Perhaps you need to direct that question to David Frost, the Head of the UK’s negotiating team, as he’s the one who think’s there are defects in the existing Withdrawal Agreement...

Or you could ask BJ

Also, got to love the way No. 10 are now trying to spin the WA as "Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement" - I’m sure it was BJ’s "oven ready agreement" when it went to the country / Houses of Parliament...

As BJ said 3 weeks before the Election
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36043349)
remember the leavers saying there not gonna be a lorry park all project fear well it project reality when brexit meets reality then reality always wins

Here we go again. I see some are up to the same as before. I have been sick of reading the same "leavers voted the wrong way bullshit", from the Remain side for the last 4 years. You are ALL, (Remain side) getting boring now! :zzz:

We have now left and the transition period ends at the end of the year and that is what Democracy decided, several times, in several democratic processes.

Liberal Democrats who vowed a vote for them, was a vote to stop Brexit, that they would revoke article 50, but they absolutely got wasted in December 2019, so if somehow you are still claiming that the country did not absolutely want to the leave the EU, then you are lying and lying to yourself, not only did the Illiberal Undemocrats lose their leader, they also lost several of the key remain alliance MPs and good riddance to them as well!

ianch99 13-07-2020 19:35
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36043351)
Here we go again. I see some are up to the same as before. I have been sick of reading the same "leavers voted the wrong way bullshit", from the Remain side for the last 4 years. You are ALL, (Remain side) getting boring now! :zzz:

We have now left and the transition period ends at the end of the year and that is what Democracy decided, several times, in several democratic processes.

Liberal Democrats who vowed a vote for them, was a vote to stop Brexit, that they would revoke article 50, but they absolutely got wasted in December 2019, so if somehow you are still claiming that the country did not absolutely want to the leave the EU, then you are lying and lying to yourself, not only did the Illiberal Undemocrats lose their leader, they also lost several of the key remain alliance MPs and good riddance to them as well!
Who cares what you are sick of reading? This country and it's future are more important than your delicate sensibilities. As each lie gets counted off, we'll keep discussing them.

Hugh 13-07-2020 19:38
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043345)
The WA was Brexit, that was delivered. We have left the EU. No going back. They are NOT seeking to amend the CURRENT arrangements, just ones for the FUTURE. They are looking for the "defects" to be rectified for from Jan 2021. It was "oven ready" as in something Parliament would agree to quickly. They had yet to agree to anything. The EU also had to agree to it, and they had.

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27 acres is not exactly "huge swathes". Anyway, Link.
You appear to have me confused with the two people reported as saying there are defects in the Withdrawal agreement, and they need fixing - BJ and David Frost; please feel free to argue with them, as it is they who have said it.

You appear to be stating that our chief negotiator and our Prime Minister are mistaken? :confused:

nomadking 13-07-2020 19:43
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36043357)
Who cares what you are sick of reading? This country and it's future are more important than your delicate sensibilities. As each lie gets counted off, we'll keep discussing them.
The revised Withdrawal Agreement was "oven-ready", as shown by how quickly Parliament approved it. Any future arrangements were NEVER described as "oven-ready", and therefore the reference to "oven-ready" doesn't apply to it.

Pierre 13-07-2020 20:27
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36043357)
Who cares what you are sick of reading? This country and it's future are more important than your delicate sensibilities. As each lie gets counted off, we'll keep discussing them.
Oooohoooo, you’re hard.

jfman 13-07-2020 21:40
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36043351)
Here we go again. I see some are up to the same as before. I have been sick of reading the same "leavers voted the wrong way bullshit", from the Remain side for the last 4 years. You are ALL, (Remain side) getting boring now! :zzz:

We have now left and the transition period ends at the end of the year and that is what Democracy decided, several times, in several democratic processes.

Liberal Democrats who vowed a vote for them, was a vote to stop Brexit, that they would revoke article 50, but they absolutely got wasted in December 2019, so if somehow you are still claiming that the country did not absolutely want to the leave the EU, then you are lying and lying to yourself, not only did the Illiberal Undemocrats lose their leader, they also lost several of the key remain alliance MPs and good riddance to them as well!
In fairness nobody voted on the transition end date and there’s every chance it could still get extended. I really don’t see why, in the current climate, anyone feels so strongly about December 2020 or December 2021.

You won, Mick. You should relax and be happy about it rather than extraordinarily bitter. Getting the best trade deals we can is a common objective, surely?

Hugh 13-07-2020 21:51
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043359)
The revised Withdrawal Agreement was "oven-ready", as shown by how quickly Parliament approved it. Any future arrangements were NEVER described as "oven-ready", and therefore the reference to "oven-ready" doesn't apply to it.
Best tell BJ, David Frost, and the Centre for Brexit Policy that, then... :D

Quote:
The WA in effect amounts to a ‘poison pill’ for the UK’s future relationship with the EU, giving power to the EU and encroaching on UK sovereignty:
• The Northern Ireland Protocol (the Protocol) would
– Restrict UK competitiveness through dynamically evolving EU State aid law that grants the European Commission executive power over significant parts of UK fiscal policy, subject to exclusive oversight of the ECJ
– Render Northern Ireland (NI) businesses completely unprotected from EU anticompetitive behaviour (including NI operations of UK-wide businesses)
– Create burdensome EU customs mechanisms at an East-West Irish Sea border
– Impose new checks on all agri-food imports into NI
– Require NI to enforce EU VAT regulations
Over time, the cumulative effect of the Protocol woul, if allowed to become permanent, realign NI away from the UK’s single market and towards the EU’s Single Market
• Other aspects of the WA would have similar injurious effects:
– EU citizens’ rights could be instilled that have ‘direct effect’ overriding future Acts of Parliament, coupled with European Court of Justice (ECJ) binding interpretation
– ‘Divorce payment’ liabilities that are vastly greater than the zero UK obligation under international law, coupled with ECJ binding adjudication
– Future financial liabilities that are very large associated with the UK’s membership of the European Investment Bank (EIB) and participation in other funds
– EU data protection laws entrenched for the long-term under the guise of EU citizens rights
– EU Geographical Indications of Origin entrenched to the detriment of UK trade
agreements with non-EU countries
– Provisions relating to UK sovereign bases in Cyprus and Gibraltar, as well as other matters that encroach on UK sovereignty

1andrew1 13-07-2020 21:53
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36043367)
In fairness nobody voted on the transition end date and there’s every chance it could still get extended. I really don’t see why, in the current climate, anyone feels so strongly about December 2020 or December 2021.

You won, Mick. You should relax and be happy about it rather than extraordinarily bitter. Getting the best trade deals we can is a common objective, surely?
:gpoint:

Carth 13-07-2020 23:03
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
Don't know about Mick, but I'm happy and relaxed about it.

It seems there are still some who aren't though ;)

1andrew1 13-07-2020 23:35
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
Words fail me to describe the way this government is harming British business and making the UK's productivity even lower. If Brexit doesn't gift the key to No.10 to another party for multiple Parliaments, nothing will!
Quote:
British business faces £7bn red tape bill under Brexit border plan
British companies trading with Europe will have to absorb a post-Brexit bureaucracy burden and fill in an extra 215m customs declarations at a cost of about £7bn a year, according to government officials.
The scale of the additional red tape involved in future trade with the EU was confirmed as cabinet office minister Michael Gove laid out the government’s plans to manage the UK’s borders in a 206-page document that included the admission: “Customs declarations are complicated.”
Mr Gove has not disputed industry estimates that some 50,000 new private sector customs agents will have to be hired by business to deal with formalities at the UK-EU border — regardless of whether the two sides reach a trade deal.
https://www.ft.com/content/fbc6f191-...4-0fa6e48a9a1e

Mick 14-07-2020 00:07
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36043357)
Who cares what you are sick of reading? This country and it's future are more important than your delicate sensibilities. As each lie gets counted off, we'll keep discussing them.
:nono: I and or the rest of the team decide what gets discussed round here, not and never you!

I've counted off plenty of lies made by your losing side.

My sensibilities? :rofl:

Utterly laughable, you're the one whose been crying because you did not get your own way with stupid mass walks in London, to "stop brexit", well take a look around Buster, we are leaving and about bloody time! Nothing you or your side says anymore matters, we won and we are getting what we voted for.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36043367)

You won, Mick. You should relax and be happy about it rather than extraordinarily bitter. Getting the best trade deals we can is a common objective, surely?
I am very far from bitter, I couldn't be more ecstatic that finally, the country I was born and live in, can finally have it's own destiny without the pathetic interference from the corrupted and disgusting con job that is the EU.

Poland next on the cards seeing as a Euro-sceptic won the elections yesterday.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36043373)
Don't know about Mick, but I'm happy and relaxed about it.

It seems there are still some who aren't though ;)
Exactly, they are the bitter ones, the same members all the damn time, clearly reading the utter crap they keep writing, looking for every negative story they can find because it suits their narrative, still saying how wrong Brexit will be, they just cannot stand the fact they lost and lost big (several times) and they have the audacity to say we are bitter. Well bollocks to that suggestion.

Democracy finally won. They lost when they pathetically tried to hi-jack this process by trying to overturn it or by claiming it's not what they country voted for. Wrong again.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36043367)

Getting the best trade deals we can is a common objective, surely?
This should be the given but there are those who just want Brexit to fail completely, and I say this about the EU side as well, they want us to come cap in hand and say how sorry we were to leave them, to be proven right, screw this, those still rehashing old and tired arguments, going on about lies said (By both sides) have no faith in the countries own destiny, to be an independent nation without interference and without giving mass payments for it.

pip08456 14-07-2020 06:32
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36043375)
:nono: I and or the rest of the team decide what gets discussed round here, not and never you!

I've counted off plenty of lies made by your losing side.

My sensibilities? :rofl:

Utterly laughable, you're the one whose been crying because you did not get your own way with stupid mass walks in London, to "stop brexit", well take a look around Buster, we are leaving and about bloody time! Nothing you or your side says anymore matters, we won and we are getting what we voted for.

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I am very far from bitter, I couldn't be more ecstatic that finally, the country I was born and live in, can finally have it's own destiny without the pathetic interference from the corrupted and disgusting con job that is the EU.

Poland next on the cards seeing as a Euro-sceptic won the elections yesterday.

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Exactly, they are the bitter ones, the same members all the damn time, clearly reading the utter crap they keep writing, looking for every negative story they can find because it suits their narrative, still saying how wrong Brexit will be, they just cannot stand the fact they lost and lost big (several times) and they have the audacity to say we are bitter. Well bollocks to that suggestion.

Democracy finally won. They lost when they pathetically tried to hi-jack this process by trying to overturn it or by claiming it's not what they country voted for. Wrong again.

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This should be the given but there are those who just want Brexit to fail completely, and I say this about the EU side as well, they want us to come cap in hand and say how sorry we were to leave them, to be proven right, screw this, those still rehashing old and tired arguments, going on about lies said (By both sides) have no faith in the countries own destiny, to be an independent nation without interference and without giving mass payments for it.
Well said Mick.


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