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Must admit Andrew does seem to come across as one that welcomes the shittiest deal there could possibly be, just to say 'I told you so'

makes you wonder who's side he's on :p:

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It would be very easy to leave, especially if the negotiations had been done by a person committed to leaving, and not by Remainers and Civil Servants in government.

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Certainly not the side of UK, he's always wanted the UK to fail on it's own, pathetic and cowardly springs to mind.

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even with a leaver in charge it not easy leaving all the treaties and Ireland border ect lots of issues to be sorted

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Yes it is - we simply leave, no deal, not collecting £200, or £39 Billion when we pass go. There is nothing to negotiate. Theresa May played a very weak hand because she is a Remainer.

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And it will all be done in a few months.;)

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The trouble is Theresa May herself only a couple of years ago believed in the EU and as the saying goes "Leopards don't change their spots"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...wn-her-chance/

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Leavers should see the deal as the start of the departure and be happy the train is leaving the station. It was never going to be as easy as they hoped but it is happening.

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It's a transition deal so things will move in the direction you want but it will take years not days. Raab got the best deal he could get and if people are now starting to understand that statements like "they need us more than we need them" were indeed fanciful, the sooner the country can come together once more.

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In case you have difficulty finding the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement (the official site was on "planned maintenance"), the full text in PDF is at:

https://www.republica.com/wp-content...ed01fd2f2e.pdf

and

https://assets.publishing.service.go...pean_Union.pdf

The Political Declaration is at:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...lationship.pdf

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This deal or no Brexit seems to be the message they are going to go with. Not much difference except one option involves paying out £40 billion and losing any say. She might convert a few Brexiters to Remain ! The woman is a genius ;)

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I think the line is intended to scare the hardline Brexiteers away from voting down the deal in Parliament. The implied threat is that if Parliament can’t agree what to do, then there will have to be another general election, or perhaps another referendum, which in such a febrile atmosphere would be quite likely to deliver a remain vote - continuity usually wins out in times of crisis.*

I don’t think TM wants a second referendum or a general election by any means, so it will be interesting to hear what happens over the coming days when she’s pressed to put meat on the bones of that implied threat. She may have let a genie out of the bottle that she can’t easily put back.

*I’m in no doubt that the leaders of the so-called Peoples Vote campaign are planning on their referendum being nothing more than an appeal to every negative headline over the past 2 years, many of which, of course, are a direct result of one or other of them deciding to “speak out” or “intervene” in the debate...

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No, unlike you. I respect Democracy and don’t abuse it. I still want to leave this Hitler type corrupt empire, AKA the EU.

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Because the only way to avoid a compromise deal like this was/is to have a hard Brexit. To leave the EU fully and then negotiate our future from outside the EU.

It would have been painful for a few years but it would be the only way.

All the pressure from remainers to have a softer Brexit, to stay in the SM and CU and al that comes with it, this type of deal was obvious. So I don't see how remainers can complain about anything.

It really will be touch and go if this gets through parliament. It will be very interesting if it doesn't.....god knows what will happen then.

I hate to say it, but I do see a second referendum on the horizon, I do.

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BREAKING: First Resignation of the day, Northern Ireland Minister for the Government, Shailesh Vara, resigns calling the deal a “Halfway House” and UK having no say.

Labour’s Shadow Brexit Secretary says Labour will vote against this deal in a Parliamentary vote.

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Highly likely it won't be the one and only resignation of the day.

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I think it’s a bad deal but also probably the most realistic one that could be achieved. I don’t see much evidence the problems it seeks to solve would have been solved outside of the bloc any easier.

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BREAKING: Dominic Raab RESIGNS.