Cable Forum - Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

I think it's in the Labour rule book.

It could work if Burnham leaned into the idea that he is the Labour leader based in the North. It would be spun as a sign Labour isn't London-centric. I just think it would be impractical. Can you be the leader of the opposition if you're in Parliament to oppose? How do you do both jobs of LOTO and Mayor of Manchester?

They would have to find him a safe seat pretty sharpish.

Labour might fancy their chances if there's a by-election in Tamworth.

1andrew1

04-07-2022 23:00

Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36127008)

Do you have to be an MP to be the leader of a Party?

Sturgeon isn’t.

It would be weird though, if Burnham was leader but Rayner did PMQs

If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.

Dave42

04-07-2022 23:16

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127015)

If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.

she has said she would resign too be no way one would get fine without the other one getting one too

ianch99

04-07-2022 23:20

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I think the important message here is that BJ is a gift that just keeps giving and will continue to keep giving. There are probably so many stories the media have up their sleeve just to pick the right time :)

I also think it would be a net positive if Starmer & Rayner both went. They would demonstrate that Labour have "integrity", a card that the Tories ripped up so long ago. Plus it allows a replacement that has some flair for opposition.

1andrew1

05-07-2022 00:20

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36127020)

So we're we're left with the thought that Labour supporters probably prefer Johnson to remain in power up to the next election and Conservative supporters prefer Starmer to remain as opposition leader. ;)

Damien

05-07-2022 08:38

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36127004)

That pattern of behaviour sadly still persists:

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...still-12645917

He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.

Hugh	05-07-2022 08:55

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Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

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No 10 did not tell the truth when it said the PM was unaware of official complaints about Chris Pincher's behaviour, an ex-civil servant in the Foreign Office has said.

Simon McDonald said Boris Johnson had been "briefed in person" about an investigation into Mr Pincher, then a Foreign Office minister.

Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657008401

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36127000)

So you’re not an expert then, your Google search and paste is irrelevant, as that is talking about repeat offenders who have attended court, Boris not under this repeating offender category as he’s paid his fine and not had need to attend court. Not aware of any other repeat offences he’s been found guilty of either.

So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject?

Mr K	05-07-2022 08:57

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127026)

He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.

There's a definite similarity with Trump. Just keep lying , then lie about the lies.

1andrew1

05-07-2022 09:00

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36127026)

He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.

It's just so disappointing because it really lets him down as a person and as a Prime Minister. It's a real blind spot for him.

papa smurf

05-07-2022 09:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36127028)

Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1657008401

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So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject?

He's probably just pointing out your ultracrepidarian qualifications.

Hugh	05-07-2022 10:42

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Sure, Jan…

You do know the letter refers to the current PM?

(just clarifying, as your comment appears to have no relevance to the letter whatsoever - not sure if you’re being acyrologiac, catachrestic, or just employing affectatious sesquipedalianism? ;) ).

Julian

05-07-2022 10:53

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What is taking Durham police so long? It's one event. Even the Met police didn't take this long per party.

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Durham Police have reportedly been in discussion with Labour lawyers with a verdict expected within the coming days.

From yesterday's Metro.

It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?

Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......

Hugh	05-07-2022 11:00

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36127053)

From yesterday's Metro.

It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?

Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......

tbf, it’s just the Metro regurgitating the Daily Mail story, which said something slightly different.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-fined.html

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Durham Police have indicated they will publicly announce the outcome of their investigation very soon after telling Labour lawyers.

Johnson (& other Government Ministers) also involved lawyers when they were under investigation.

Damien

05-07-2022 11:40

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It's obviously fair the targets of an investigation are told the outcome before the public.

1andrew1

05-07-2022 11:52

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This statement from The Daily Mail is typical tabloid sensationalism :D

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