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jonbxx 29-05-2019 16:35
Re: Brexit
 
I can see how Article XXIV is an attractive solution to the question of goods imports and exports and yes, it is theoretically possible but it answers one of many issues only. It doesn't answer issues like;
  • Citizens rights (EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in EU)
  • The Good Friday Agreement
  • Money already committed in the current EU budget
  • Arbitration in the matters above

Yes, we could go to the EU proposing Article XXIV but you can be pretty sure they will ask about the above and boom, we are back where we started.

Remember 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'?

Hugh 29-05-2019 16:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35997042)
Wrong as usual HUGH.



To be determined means it is not a crime as yet but may be if the crown court sets a precedent.

She has done a Pontius Pilate and passed it on to someone else to decide.
The judge believes there is Prima Facie evidence of a possible crime having been committed, and that it should go to a court case.

I did not say Boris had committed a crime, I stated that misconduct in public office was a crime.

Boris has not been found guilty or not guilty, because no court case has yet happened, and under our legal system (quite rightly), he is innocent until proven guilty. He has, however, been accused, of a crime (misconduct in public office) so it would appear your statement is not based in actuality - misconduct in public office is a criminal offence, and Boris has been accused of it.

mrmistoffelees 29-05-2019 17:00
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35997072)
I am not in a predicament.
Well, so long are YOU'RE OK.......

pip08456 29-05-2019 17:03
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OK Hugh.

Hugh 29-05-2019 18:19
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35997084)
OK Hugh.
OK, Pip

OLD BOY 29-05-2019 18:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35997077)
I can see how Article XXIV is an attractive solution to the question of goods imports and exports and yes, it is theoretically possible but it answers one of many issues only. It doesn't answer issues like;
  • Citizens rights (EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in EU)
  • The Good Friday Agreement
  • Money already committed in the current EU budget
  • Arbitration in the matters above

Yes, we could go to the EU proposing Article XXIV but you can be pretty sure they will ask about the above and boom, we are back where we started.

Remember 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'?
The fact that we don't need a solution to the Good Friday Agreement border issue for 10 years is surely a bonus.

The other bullet points can be resolved separately with the EU.

jonbxx 29-05-2019 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997094)
The fact that we don't need a solution to the Good Friday Agreement border issue for 10 years is surely a bonus.

The other bullet points can be resolved separately with the EU.
I see that Article XXIV would cover the GFA in terms of tariffs but not the single market or rules of origin. And what about cross border services? If we make other agreements, then aren't we slipping away from an Article XXIV Brexit and going back to some kind of withdrawal agreement?

I am more than willing to be surprised but I can't see the EU agreeing to Article XXIV without a number of other conditions in place which then means we're not in Article XXIV territory any more.

TheDaddy 29-05-2019 18:57
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996958)
Maybe it should be a matter of law, then the politicians couldn't get away with all the porky pies.
Such a law would be worth all this imo especially if we could revamp the voting system whilst we were at it, people bang on about protecting our democracy but why would you want to protect it when it allows for millions of votes to be wasted in safe seats or for a party to get 5 million votes and no mps, we aren't a two party country anymore and that should be represented proportionally

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Originally Posted by Mick
What?

And tie up our judicial system for every politician that lies...

Okay let's get Tony Blair for the Iraq War.

Let's get Nick Clegg for lying about not increasing tuition fees...

Let's go that extra mile and prosecute all these Remainers who said on TV there should not be another referendum and that the first should be honoured but are now saying there should be one...

The whole thing is just Banana republic crazy, this is 2019, not the 1930's FFS.
Yes let's just let them of with it instead and carry on as we are, then when voters are completely disillusioned and disenfranchised it'll just be the fanatics that bother to vote, bright future with momentum running the show and I'm all for bliar going on trial, not sure how Clegg would be held accountable seeing as he was never in power but why not let them fight that out in court regardless

nomadking 29-05-2019 19:00
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35997102)
I see that Article XXIV would cover the GFA in terms of tariffs but not the single market or rules of origin. And what about cross border services? If we make other agreements, then aren't we slipping away from an Article XXIV Brexit and going back to some kind of withdrawal agreement?

I am more than willing to be surprised but I can't see the EU agreeing to Article XXIV without a number of other conditions in place which then means we're not in Article XXIV territory any more.
There is no restriction on non-EU compliant products being in the EU. In some cases it is an EU company making them. At the very least the difference between UK complaint and EU compliant is going to be minimal.

OLD BOY 29-05-2019 19:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35997102)
I see that Article XXIV would cover the GFA in terms of tariffs but not the single market or rules of origin. And what about cross border services? If we make other agreements, then aren't we slipping away from an Article XXIV Brexit and going back to some kind of withdrawal agreement?

I am more than willing to be surprised but I can't see the EU agreeing to Article XXIV without a number of other conditions in place which then means we're not in Article XXIV territory any more.
Article 24 does not prevent countries from agreeing on other matters.

1andrew1 29-05-2019 19:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997107)
Article 24 does not prevent countries from agreeing on other matters.
Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

---------- Post added at 19:58 ---------- Previous post was at 19:56 ----------

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35997103)
Such a law would be worth all this imo especially if we could revamp the voting system whilst we were at it, people bang on about protecting our democracy but why would you want to protect it when it allows for millions of votes to be wasted in safe seats or for a party to get 5 million votes and no mps, we aren't a two party country anymore and that should be represented proportionally

Yes let's just let them of with it instead and carry on as we are, then when voters are completely disillusioned and disenfranchised it'll just be the fanatics that bother to vote, bright future with momentum running the show and I'm all for bliar going on trial, not sure how Clegg would be held accountable seeing as he was never in power but why not let them fight that out in court regardless
:gpoint:

Mick 29-05-2019 20:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35997034)
A District Judge, with 41 years legal experience, disagrees with you.
And you know I am going to say I stand by my posts so the above is irrelevant.

A politician lying is a crime is it? -

Don't think so, otherwise we'd be locking up every bloody one of them and you know that is what I meant. But nice try at sub diffusion. :rolleyes:

jonbxx 29-05-2019 21:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35997104)
There is no restriction on non-EU compliant products being in the EU. In some cases it is an EU company making them. At the very least the difference between UK complaint and EU compliant is going to be minimal.
Oh, of course. The company I work for makes UL certified equipment for the US market in Europe with no problems at all. Those products just cannot be sold in Europe.

When (or if?) Brexit happens, it would make sense to harmonise UK technical standard with EU ones but whether that is politically feasible or not is another question. See vacuum cleaner efficiency standards for example. If we don’t harmonise, a small divergence of standards may make UK goods unsellable in the EU.

1andrew1 29-05-2019 21:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997123)
And you know I am going to say I stand by my posts so the above is irrelevant.

A politician lying is a crime is it? -

Don't think so, otherwise we'd be locking up every bloody one of them and you know that is what I meant. But nice try at sub diffusion. :rolleyes:
A lot of politicians would indeed fail the honesty test.
It's the fact that he held public office at the time that is the issue.

Mick 29-05-2019 21:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35997125)
A lot of politicians would indeed fail the honesty test.
It's the fact that he held public office at the time that is the issue.
So have many others that have lied. Have they received a summons?

No - this is political hit job and a poor one at that because it's going to HELP BOOST Boris, not hinder him.


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