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OLD BOY 16-10-2023 17:34
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You’re flogging a dead horse here, Seph. He’s not listening and does not seem to give a fig about Israel’s precarious position. They can’t fight Hamas with kid gloves.

Sephiroth 16-10-2023 17:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36162114)
You’re flogging a dead horse here, Seph. He’s not listening and does not seem to give a fig about Israel’s precarious position. They can’t fight Hamas with kid gloves.

Normally, OB, jfman in his pixie contrariness has some semblance of logic. He like to act like a picador irritating the bull. Sometimes, he hits a strong note.

But this time, in some of his posts, he really has lost the plot. Standing back, his fixation is on Israeli behaviour which is as unbalanced as Maggy's input.

pip08456 16-10-2023 18:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162096)
OB I will absolutely not be called a sad case off someone whose most meaningful insight - among the shifting of goalposts - to date is that families in Gaza can “suck on that”.

International law doesn’t only apply in some circumstances it applies in all circumstances. If we can’t stand by that principle why should Putin, Xi, Assad, or today’s Palestinian teenagers offered guns and money off Iran in ten years time?

Biden visiting on Wednesday (I think still a rumour) suggests the penny is finally dropping.
Are you saying Putin abides by International law? Have you seen what is happening in Ukraine. The Russians are almost as bad as Hamas in the occupation zones with torture, rape and killing of civillians, destruction of civillian infrastructure, bombing and rocket attacks in civillian areas throughout his SMO.

jfman 16-10-2023 18:35
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36162116)
Are you saying Putin abides by International law? Have you seen what is happening in Ukraine. The Russians are almost as bad as Hamas in the occupation zones with torture, rape and killing of civillians, destruction of civillian infrastructure, bombing and rocket attacks in civillian areas throughout his SMO.
The question was “why should”. It purposely made no judgement in either direction. If he does why should he continue to? If he doesn’t on what authority can the US or EU claim he should? You’ll note the rest of the list aren’t exactly stand up proposals either.

There’s a whole other thread for the detail.

Israel committing war crimes with impunity benefits nobody.

OLD BOY 16-10-2023 18:57
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162117)
The question was “why should”. It purposely made no judgement in either direction. If he does why should he continue to? If he doesn’t on what authority can the US or EU claim he should? You’ll note the rest of the list aren’t exactly stand up proposals either.

There’s a whole other thread for the detail.

Israel committing war crimes with impunity benefits nobody.
Your assumption is that Israel is committing war crimes. They are not. Hamas is.

jfman 16-10-2023 19:02
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36162118)
Your assumption is that Israel is committing war crimes. They are not. Hamas is.
OB it’s not my fault you don’t know what a war crime is.

Otherwise you would never have said:

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The families in Gaza need to suck on that.

TheDaddy 16-10-2023 19:03
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162117)
Israel committing war crimes with impunity benefits nobody.
Might have gone past war crimes according to Israeli historian Raz Segal who is the director of holocaust studies at Stockton University, he calls what's going on as a textbook case of genocide . Also Amnesty International say they have seen proof that it was Israel that attacked the convoy but you know, go figure

Pierre 16-10-2023 19:24
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36162120)
Might have gone past war crimes according to Israeli historian Raz Segal who is the director of holocaust studies at Stockton University, he calls what's going on as a textbook case of genocide . Also Amnesty International say they have seen proof that it was Israel that attacked the convoy but you know, go figure
I think what Hamas did 10 days ago, also neatly fits into the definition of Genocide.

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. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly
We can have a discussion about good genocide , poor oppressed freedom fighters attacking the evil occupiers, and bad genocide, evil occupiers retaliating against good genocide.

And we can discuss all the celebratory gatherings of people in the U.K. cheering on the good genocide, and all the people cheering on the bad genocide……..(there hasn’t been any, but we’ll gloss over that)

Pick the genocide that aligns with your political leanings.

1andrew1 16-10-2023 19:35
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36162118)
Your assumption is that Israel is committing war crimes. They are not. Hamas is.
Your assumption is that only one side can commit war crimes. Sadly for the innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine, it appears both can and are.

richard-john56 16-10-2023 19:40
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Sadly the human race are horrid to each other.

Ms NTL 16-10-2023 20:13
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36162115)

Normally, OB, jfman in his pixie contrariness has some semblance of logic. He like to act like a picador irritating the bull. Sometimes, he hits a strong note.

But this time, in some of his posts, he really has lost the plot. Standing back, his fixation is on Israeli behaviour which is as unbalanced as Maggy's input.
Where were you educated? I have to use the dictionary to read your posts. The chrome add on extension dictionary does not recognize some of the words you use, I have to google them

Impressed (respectful post)

pip08456 16-10-2023 20:18
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162117)
The question was “why should”. It purposely made no judgement in either direction. If he does why should he continue to? If he doesn’t on what authority can the US or EU claim he should? You’ll note the rest of the list aren’t exactly stand up proposals either.

There’s a whole other thread for the detail.

Israel committing war crimes with impunity benefits nobody.
Which just shows there is no such thing as International Law. If there was the perportrators would be held to account. That doesn't just mean condemnation but also action.

jfman 16-10-2023 21:26
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36162129)
Which just shows there is no such thing as International Law. If there was the perportrators would be held to account. That doesn't just mean condemnation but also action.
Indeed we can do away with the pretence. We just have breaches the US approve of because of their strategic interests, those the US oppose because of their strategic interests and the ones they are indifferent to.

They will whip up billions in aid for the first set while putting in place economic sanctions for the second.

---------- Post added at 21:24 ---------- Previous post was at 20:23 ----------

Not sure if best for this thread or another - two Sweden fans gunned down in Belgium in a terrorist attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67129117

The Euro 2024 qualifier was abandoned at half time with fans being kept inside the stadium for their own safety. The terror alert level in Brussels has been raised to the highest level (4) while the rest of Belgium raised to level 3. The gunman hasn’t yet been found.

Sephiroth 16-10-2023 22:23
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162130)
Indeed we can do away with the pretence. We just have breaches the US approve of because of their strategic interests, those the US oppose because of their strategic interests and the ones they are indifferent to.

They will whip up billions in aid for the first set while putting in place economic sanctions for the second.

---------- Post added at 21:24 ---------- Previous post was at 20:23 ----------

Not sure if best for this thread or another - two Sweden fans gunned down in Belgium in a terrorist attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67129117

The Euro 2024 qualifier was abandoned at half time with fans being kept inside the stadium for their own safety. The terror alert level in Brussels has been raised to the highest level (4) while the rest of Belgium raised to level 3. The gunman hasn’t yet been found.
And guess who those gun men might be (ethnicity not individual names!)?

Certainly not Israeli.

OLD BOY 17-10-2023 07:57
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36162122)
Your assumption is that only one side can commit war crimes. Sadly for the innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine, it appears both can and are.
I make no assumption. Israel is doing what it's doing in Gaza in self defence, to protect its security in a hostile region. That is permitted.

I have already said I have concerns about who attacked those trying to flee to the south, as the Israelis told them to do. If that was Israel's doing, they will need to account for that.


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