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I am reading things very clearly. You said:

Prove it

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Enough of this friggin nonsense or you'll both be removed from the topic.


Edit: Off topic posts removed.

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More Hamas supporters. :rolleyes: https://www.facebook.com/reel/362555033027631

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Does that challenge your stereotype of those marching for peace?

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It should do. That was just one element of the 300,000 marching for a ceasefire on Armistice Day.

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Thanks Rishi,

I agree, what the fcuk are you going to about it, as seen this issue has mushroomed totally under the torys.

Don’t talk tough about a situation totally of your own making.

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If Sunak had merely pointed out that the flow of of illegal migrants and the flow of asylum seeker was likely to increase, mostly because of the direct and indirect political effects of climate change, that would be one thing. Something has to be done to help stabilise countries badly affected by climate change and to help people mitigate the effects in their own countries. This is essential or billions will be on the move. We in Europe won't be able to cope with that!

However, Sunak goes a step further into mindless conspiracy theory. He is trying to convince us that hostile states are deliberately driving refugees towards us in an attempt to overwhelm our cultures and democracies. In spouting that dangerous garbage he is clearly trying to create a rightwing axis of agreement and action across Europe and at the same time outflank the Reform Party, Farage et al, who spout similar bile. He spends too much time with Islamophobic nutjobs like Georgia Meloni, Le Penn and his role model Modi. He sees electoral salvation in promoting an anti-immigrant narrative and Islamophobia, carefully without mentioning the words Islam or Muslim.


He should advocate ways of helping folk stay in their own countries, stop attacking the victims, speed up the processing of those already here, create safe, legal routes so we can take our fair share of refugees in a controlled way (This would outflank the people traffickers.) and concentrate with other European countries on crushing the traffickers. Will he do that? No! There's more Tory votes in attacking and demonising victims, and in creating a narrative that appeals to racists, xenophobes and Islamophobes. He even thinks he can secure the red wall with that kind of trash, but I have a feeling that the British people have more brains and compassion than that and that British values will prevail.

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Given that there’s video evidence of this occurring on the Poland/Belarus border and Wagner, with its extensive influence operations across the African continent, is now officially admitted to have been an arms-length operation of the Russian government, you perhaps want to be a bit more careful about calling something a ‘mindless conspiracy theory’ just because it’s on the lips of someone whose politics you dislike.

Disagree by all means, but the charge is serious and dismissing it does rather require engagement with, and refutation of, the evidence.

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Indeed,

Do people think Russia and China, who are advocating for a multi-polar world, are going to achieve this by destabilising the West militarily?

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1. Citing a known enemy, Russia, as a diverter of refugees towards Europe, when most refugees are coming of their own volition through Europe's Mediterranean and Turkish border, is a distraction - a massive red-herring. Please understand that hundreds of thousands of fleeing refugees is not a conspiracy.


2. I don't think you really want to open a discussion on your hate for Muslims and Islam again do we? You ran out of arguments last time and will run out of them again.

3. The effects of climate change in countries where refugees are coming from, include constant drought and desertification of once productive lands. e.g. in sub-Saharan Africa, Afghanistan; excessive heat, which has already killed hundreds of thousands; and increased storm surges flooding agricultural land e.g. Mekong Delta, Ganges Delta. These effects will increase and begin to include more low-lying coastal areas as general sea-level rises.

Some of these physical effects of climate change have destabilised existing regimes or democracies. For example, the event that triggered the Syrian War was a peaceful march, including whole families, against Assad's mishandling of the unprecedented drought in the region. Instead of seeking to meet their demands he had them mown down with live gunfire. Apart from the unstable near East, currently there are 15 ongoing wars in Africa, most in regions stressed by climate change. These all create refugees too.

We can help this situation in a number of ways.

a) Long-term all countries must meet their obligations regarding 1.5C and carbon zero by the dates each country pledged. Without that there is no hope.

b) Developed and wealthy countries must commit and ring-fence trillions in dollars/pounds to climate change mitigation schemes, including drilling for fresh water; continuing the growth of the great tree belts such as the one growing in the sub-Sahara (These increase local rainfall and, store carbon and retain water in the soil); education regarding methods for conserving water and growing drought resistant crops; building of sea and river defences; reforestation of water catchment areas to slow down flood water and reduce erosion of good soil.

c) Maintain properly targeted overseas aid aimed particularly at education of boys and girls, clean water supply and treatment, medical facilities and large scale green technology initiatives. Remember, overseas aid is also an investment in future markets, so not a penny is wasted if properly targeted and controlled.

4. You, and people who think like you, have debunked key British values long ago.

What are these British values? I draw your attention to the last two particularly, although given the behaviour of fascist shock troops attacking police at the Cenotaph recently, I am concerned about the rule of law too.

* democracy.
* the rule of law.
* individual liberty.
* mutual respect.
* tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs.

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Nothing stopped Sunak mentioning Russia, Belarus or Wagner operations in Africa, but he didn't. He knows that there is no evidence and they aren't his intended target. His target is deliberately nefarious because he is gaslighting his potential electorate and assumes that they are mindless sponges for that kind of rhetoric and conspiracy theory. He wants the blame to fall in Islamic countries and on an Islamic conspiracy. There's votes in that, not on blaming Russia.

The Italians have been more specific trying to blame the migration effects of climate change on Russia. They ignore the fact that drought, hunger, starvation and 15 African wars are the real main cause.

Italy’s Defense Ministry declined to share evidence showing the Wagner Group’s involvement. I wonder why? Prigozhin said that Wagner has “no idea what’s going on with the migrant crisis,” and that Italy’s defense minister should face his own problems instead of “looking around.”

Migration and security experts, while not privy to Italy’s intelligence, say that Wagner is surely not the primary cause of the surge. Though mercenaries do operate in Libya — a major jumping-off point for migrants — their troops are primarily headquartered at bases far from the shore.

“Wagner has indeed become this new boogeyman,” said Wolfram Lacher, a researcher on Libya at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs.

There’s another reason to discount the Wagner explanation: The spike of crossings is being fed, primarily, by a country where Wagner does not operate. While most boats used to depart from Libya, the slight majority now take off from neighboring Tunisia, a result of the country’s deteriorating political situation.

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There is too much coffee in this topic.