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Paul 06-12-2021 23:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104522)
I think the vaxs and booster will make the difference from last year - I don’t think anything will change (drastically) before Christmas, because if there is any rise in hospitalisations/deaths due to Omicron, it will take a couple of weeks to get to a noticeable rise (if it happens).
Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.

DDDD 06-12-2021 23:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36104559)
put a tin foil hat on, it will all make sense
Its the original publication from nature .

Tin foil hats not needed , but religion is if you believe in something based on faith . Just read the publication , if you don't understand something you can always ask.

OLD BOY 06-12-2021 23:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104566)
Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.
That just about sums it up, Paul.

DDDD 06-12-2021 23:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36104560)
At a guess - Covid was invented in a China lab, put into bats that have propensity for SARS-like coronavirus and the bats released into the wild. They were caught and put into the Wuhan wet market .....


Or summat!

Pretty much the opposite , they took some lung fluid , aligned it to a predetermined template bat coronavirus using software called megahit . If you do this with non infected people you will get the same result .

The article debunks itself because with a stricter assembler they didn't find the longer sequences because it didn't exist. Its in the paper

They can claim high abundance in humans to a pig or a banana .

People actually believe they found a spiked protein structure in humans and then sequenced its rna and this is what's found in 'infected people'

Even these claims are not made in the papers .

PCR tests for a fragment of this nucleic acid sequence , not a virus . They also don't check the results of what was amplified in PCR , most people know after 25 cycles it starts creating all sorts of sequences that were not present in the original sample , go to court with forensics and it would be thrown out at more than 12 cycles .

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104563)
What it really said





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My wife and I had it as a booster.
methods section , not the claims section .

Its claims 89% similarity , we are 98% similar to a pig , this ain't similar at all .

jfman 07-12-2021 07:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104566)
Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.
Cases (by specimen date) are only falling in the last week because that’s what always happens due to processing time, cases by date reported are up almost 10% in the last week vs the previous 7 days.

Even then by specimen date 29 Nov-1 Dec had more cases than any date since mid-July. If there’s something underlying driving that rise it won’t take many 10% weekly rises to push hospitalisations into a bad place and deaths follow.

Chris 07-12-2021 07:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36104558)
Anyone got a translation for this?
“Covid deniers live in a basement and have difficulty processing events in the real world”.

Or thereabouts.

jonbxx 07-12-2021 09:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDD (Post 36104571)
Pretty much the opposite , they took some lung fluid , aligned it to a predetermined template bat coronavirus using software called megahit . If you do this with non infected people you will get the same result .

The article debunks itself because with a stricter assembler they didn't find the longer sequences because it didn't exist. Its in the paper

They can claim high abundance in humans to a pig or a banana .

People actually believe they found a spiked protein structure in humans and then sequenced its rna and this is what's found in 'infected people'

Even these claims are not made in the papers .

PCR tests for a fragment of this nucleic acid sequence , not a virus . They also don't check the results of what was amplified in PCR , most people know after 25 cycles it starts creating all sorts of sequences that were not present in the original sample , go to court with forensics and it would be thrown out at more than 12 cycles .

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methods section , not the claims section .

Its claims 89% similarity , we are 98% similar to a pig , this ain't similar at all .
This piqued my curiosity so I pulled the SARS-Cov-2 genome (link) from a genome database and crunched it through some software to see if it aligned with human sequences (BlastN search, a standard search tool for aligning genomes) At first, a got many hits but they were all SARS-COV-2 which at least shows the tool works! I filtered on human DNA and RNA and got, wait for it......

No significant hits

If these guys are pulling genome sequences from lung fluid, it aint human genomic RNA or mRNA.

RT-PCR testing is cycle dependent, that's why quantitative RT-PCR is used so you can see how many cycles are needed to get a signal. It's also why multiple targets are used to compensate for any issues with incorrect results. It's also why negative controls are used for every test plate. RT-PCR isn't perfect but if you have the right controls in place, it is pretty robust

Hugh 07-12-2021 10:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
You’re only saying that because you’re trying to "control*" us… ;)

*because you can

1andrew1 07-12-2021 11:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104601)
You’re only saying that because you’re trying to "control*" us… ;)

*because you can
Ha ha. :D

jfman 07-12-2021 11:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Do the same for RaTG13 ;)

jonbxx 07-12-2021 11:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104607)
Do the same for RaTG13 ;)
In a shocking development, there is a 93% identity between SARS-COV-2 and RaTG13 (bat coronavirus) spike proteins. Who would have thought eh?

Carth 07-12-2021 13:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Bloody hell, can all you scientific lot slow down for those of us that are thick please ;)

Is SARS-COV-2 just a different name for Covid 19? I'm getting lost and a little uninterested in all these fancy acronyms etc :D

Is there a 'clever' name for Flu and pneumonia?

Julian 07-12-2021 13:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Apparently the one for a cold is A715H00.....

Chris 07-12-2021 13:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36104618)
Bloody hell, can all you scientific lot slow down for those of us that are thick please ;)

Is SARS-COV-2 just a different name for Covid 19? I'm getting lost and a little uninterested in all these fancy acronyms etc :D

Is there a 'clever' name for Flu and pneumonia?
Covid-19 is the name of the disease caused by a coronavirus called SARS-COV-2.

Flu is influenza, which is the name of both the disease and a family of viruses that can cause it.

Pneumonia is an inflammation of the alveoli within the lungs, and can be caused by any number of things getting in them that shouldn’t be there.

1andrew1 07-12-2021 13:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Interesting Twitter chat between Andrew Neil and Julia Hartley-Brewer. He's coming across in a statesmanlike manner.


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