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Chris 11-02-2021 14:30
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I think it’s a bit of an overreaction to a clumsy attempt at a comparison between recent political violence in the USA and pogroms against European Jews. This sort of misconception requires intelligent engagement, not slapping down. Attempting to enforce intellectual orthodoxy rarely ends well in the long run. As the Nazis themselves discovered.

That said, Disney is a corporation with the right to hire whoever they want within the law and they are very mindful of their brand image. Gina Carrano was not yet signed up for Mando season 3 so they haven’t even sacked her, they’ve just announced they won’t be re-hiring.

Hugh 11-02-2021 14:51
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The left under Corbyn were being Antisemitic. Gina wasn’t. Disney are being pathetic here. Well she should file a lawsuit against them for breach of First Amendment rights.
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.or...dom-of-speech/
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the First Amendment does not limit private employers. The Bill of Rights — and the First Amendment — limit only government actors, not private actors. This means that private employers can restrict employee speech in the workplace without running afoul of the First Amendment. Private employees would have to rely on other sources of law (e.g., contract law, tort law or state employment statutes) to seek relief in court.

Public employers also can set rules for employee behavior in the workplace. However, public employers are government actors and are subject to the limitations of the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment.

cimt 11-02-2021 15:48
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Most actors normally have some sort of morality clause in their contracts anyways these days, so if an actor could make a show look bad then they can just get rid of them without issue.

Chris 11-02-2021 16:04
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Still, it should be stressed that she was out of contract with Disney and all they have done is to say they won’t be renewing it. So even if there had been protections against sacking in cases like this, they would not apply here.

Mick 11-02-2021 16:55
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Irrelevant. Only she did not make such comments in the work place - she made them on her own social media posts. They are her own private remarks not made during any performance.

pip08456 11-02-2021 16:56
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36070202)
I think it’s a bit of an overreaction to a clumsy attempt at a comparison between recent political violence in the USA and pogroms against European Jews. This sort of misconception requires intelligent engagement, not slapping down. Attempting to enforce intellectual orthodoxy rarely ends well in the long run. As the Nazis themselves discovered.

That said, Disney is a corporation with the right to hire whoever they want within the law and they are very mindful of their brand image. Gina Carrano was not yet signed up for Mando season 3 so they haven’t even sacked her, they’ve just announced they won’t be re-hiring.
Perhaps the accompanying pic didn't help.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1613058798

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Gina Carano has not exactly endeared herself to fans of Disney+’s The Mandalorian after revealing herself to be a far-right, transphobic conspiracy theorist who believes that COVID is a political hoax.
https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_a...ding-again.php

Chris 11-02-2021 16:59
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Yeah, that won’t have helped. I did wonder whether there was more of a pattern to her posted opinions because that one sentiment, in isolation, is a bit ignorant but hardly world-ending stuff.

Hugh 11-02-2021 17:30
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36070213)
Irrelevant. Only she did not make such comments in the work place - she made them on her own social media posts. They are her own private remarks not made during any performance.
The relevant part was
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The Bill of Rights — and the First Amendment — limit only government actors
Because you said
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she should file a lawsuit against them for breach of First Amendment rights.

Jaymoss 11-02-2021 17:54
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TBH I wish all celebs kept their political views to themselves instead of using their celebrity to push a political agenda. I follow a fair few on twitter but had to unfollow loads during the election period in the US got totally sick of it. I follow them for their work not their politics

Paul 11-02-2021 17:55
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We already know that Disney (and pretty much the entire US TV Industry) is now run by the PC Brigade, so no surprise.

That said, I cant really have any sympathy for her or anyone else who gets into trouble for posting on [anti] social media these days.

Just dont do it, ever. Stop using it, problem solved.

Mick 11-02-2021 18:02
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The relevant part was

Because you said
And her still making her political comments in a private capacity still applies which still makes your point moot.

If she was in contract and they terminate her on her speech made in a private setting, on her own time, they would not have a leg to stand on and no company whether private or public, can dictate a persons political beliefs.

As Chris points out she is not in contract, so Disney decide to wreck probably one of the key people/characters in a recurring role that makes the Mandalorian what it is.

BenMcr 11-02-2021 18:22
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If she was in contract and they terminate her on her speech made in a private setting, on her own time, they would not have a leg to stand on and no company whether private or public, can dictate a persons political beliefs.
You're correct that they can't and don't dictate a person's political beliefs.

However they can and do look at those beliefs against the company's own and against the business policies that a person is contracted to. If there is a conflict then a private company can and do suspend or terminate employment. Or in this case not work with that person again.

It's not right or left thing either, people from both viewpoints have ended up in a situation for it. Here's a BBC piece about it from 2012:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17660865
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In America, everyone has the right to free speech. But legally spoken remarks often have severe consequences - as the baseball coach who praised Fidel Castro has now discovered.

Ozzie Guillen, manager of the Miami Marlins baseball team, earned a five-game suspension after praising Fidel Castro in a Time magazine interview .

John Derbyshire, the conservative columnist, lost his job at the National Review after publishing an article warning his children to, among other things, avoid amusement parks with a high concentration of black visitors.

Hugh 11-02-2021 19:26
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And her still making her political comments in a private capacity still applies which still makes your point moot.

If she was in contract and they terminate her on her speech made in a private setting, on her own time, they would not have a leg to stand on and no company whether private or public, can dictate a persons political beliefs.

As Chris points out she is not in contract, so Disney decide to wreck probably one of the key people/characters in a recurring role that makes the Mandalorian what it is.
From a US Law Firm.

https://www.chandralaw.com/faqs/what...endment-rights

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Does the First Amendment apply to private companies or individuals' conduct?

Generally, no. The First Amendment applies only to governmental action. So it’s only governmental action that we can address using the First Amendment, including applying it to the states through the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

People call us all the time complaining about their private employers or private businesses (like Facebook or Twitter) violating their supposed "free-speech" or "First Amendment rights." That's not really a thing and there's nothing we can do about that.

The only exception would be if you can show evidence that private, non-governmental actors are acting in concert or conspiracy with government. (And you can't speculate about that or assume that.)

Mick 11-02-2021 19:41
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Again, your point is still moot - no company private or public can dictate political beliefs to someone, ever - period. They just cannot. Disney have essentially fired someone because of her political stance, which is wrong. :rolleyes:

Jaymoss 11-02-2021 19:44
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Can not wait for season 3 of The Mandalorian I wonder if we will ever see Grogu again or find out if he was killed by Kylo Ren


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