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denphone 04-07-2018 13:27
Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35952928)
I heard that the house was a newly built unit so it *could* be building product residues or even a carbon monoxide leak.

It's easy for the mass media to make 2+2 = 5
Indeed they do that all the time as banner headlines tend to come before the true facts.

Damien 04-07-2018 13:30
Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35952927)
It's even weirder that Porton Down is so near to both sites.
Maybe but I don't see how these substances could travel that distance without being detected.

Damien 04-07-2018 22:01
Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639

Same nerve agent.

Mick 04-07-2018 23:43
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
According to reports - The couple in the Amesbury Incident are believed to have been in Salisbury on Friday and on roads that had been sealed off during the Skripal poisoning. Have this British couple been unfortunate enough to have been contaminated from left over residue of the Russian Novichok Nerve Agent in Salisbury?

Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, is to host an emergency Cobra meeting tomorrow morning.

TheDaddy 04-07-2018 23:59
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35952982)
According to reports - The couple in the Amesbury Incident are believed to have been in Salisbury on Friday and on roads that had been sealed off during the Skripal poisoning. Have this British couple been unfortunate enough to have been contaminated from left over residue of the Russian Novichok Nerve Agent in Salisbury?

Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, is to host an emergency Cobra meeting tomorrow morning.
Or were one or both of them responsible for the original poisoning

Damien 05-07-2018 07:16
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Are these substances even able to survive outside that long?

adzii_nufc 05-07-2018 07:27
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Likely that they've come in contact with the poorly disposed of source container. That would ensure it survived in adverse conditions. Other suggestions are tainted items that again have been poorly disposed of.

Be nothing to confirm until they've retraced their actions. If there's anything left to confirm that is.

TheDaddy 05-07-2018 07:46
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35952993)
Likely that they've come in contact with the poorly disposed of source container. That would ensure it survived in adverse conditions. Other suggestions are tainted items that again have been poorly disposed of.

Be nothing to confirm until they've retraced their actions. If there's anything left to confirm that is.
Sounds plausible, you've got to question the competence of the assassins though to poorly dispose of such evidence, mind you they have proven to be inept already, four people poisoned and thankfully no fatalities

adzii_nufc 05-07-2018 07:57
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35952998)
Sounds plausible, you've got to question the competence of the assassins though to poorly dispose of such evidence, mind you they have proven to be inept already, four people poisoned and thankfully no fatalities
Strangely enough they're both known drug users. Many possibilities here.

I did like yours however. Would be a juicy conspiracy if they were the would be assassins and the Russians have come back to tie up the botched job.

Damien 05-07-2018 08:21
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
It doesn't make that much sense for this to be a targeted attack from Russia unless there is some information we're missing which is why the contamination is probably the most likely scenario.

Other options would be Russian misdirection to sow doubt on the original poisoning or that it wasn't Russia and someone in running around Wiltshire with Novichok and just coincidentally the first people they targeted just happened to be Russian spies. Neither of which are plausible I don't think.

Mick 05-07-2018 09:09
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35952992)
Are these substances even able to survive outside that long?
From what I recall of the Salisbury findings, the Novichok is completely weather proof, so that is extremely likely that that a prior contaminated source, has survived, despite a decontamination effort that was done back in April and they may have missed that source.

Makes no sense why two British citizens were targeted in this latest incident.

nomadking 05-07-2018 10:49
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
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Novichok, a resilient and resistant nerve agent developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s, takes effect within minutes,
So how were they both affected the next day and simultaneously?

Hugh 05-07-2018 15:14
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35953015)
So how were they both affected the next day and simultaneously?
First one, then the other when it got passed on?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44727191
Quote:
It acts quickest when ingested or inhaled and more slowly when contact is made through skin exposure.

Novichok is designed to be persistent - it neither evaporates nor decomposes quickly.

Mr K 05-07-2018 18:14
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
England v Russia is a World Cup fixture bound to happen now...

Mick 08-07-2018 22:24
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
BREAKING: Dawn Sturgess, who was exposed to novichok in Amesbury, has DIED.

https://news.sky.com/story/dawn-stur...-dies-11430667


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