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Osem 29-05-2015 09:56
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The more I listen to Radio Sputnik the more I detect the influence of a power-crazed lunatic. It's devoid of anything remotely critical of Putin's leadership and increasingly concerned with blaming the west for just about everything under the sun. When you consider the sort of anti-govt. media coverage given to the administrations in the US and the UK, it's quite obvious that it's Putin's propaganda service and strictly controlled to avoid any hint of criticism.

Osem 30-03-2016 21:00
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Not sure if this is deserving of its own thread but anyway:

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The US is stepping up its troop presence in eastern Europe in response to an "aggressive Russia", the military has said.

From next year, three fully manned US combat brigades will be deployed.

The BBC's diplomatic correspondent says it is the most significant US reinforcement of Nato since tensions flared over Russian action in Ukraine.

Last month the Pentagon announced plans to quadruple its budget for European defence in 2017.

The additional presence will increase US ability to conduct military exercises in the region.

The plan demonstrates "our strong and balanced approach to reassuring our Nato allies and partners in the wake of an aggressive Russia in eastern Europe and elsewhere", said Gen Philip Breedlove, the senior US commander in Europe.

"Our allies and partners will see more capability. They will see a more frequent presence of an armoured brigade with more modernised equipment in their countries," he added.
Odd that this should come not long after they were complaining about other Nato countries not bearing their fair share of the burden... :confused:

Wonder what Putin will think/do...

Damien 30-03-2016 21:32
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35830041)
Odd that this should come not long after they were complaining about other Nato countries not bearing their fair share of the burden... :confused:
Seems rather unodd to me? This is probably exactly why they were upset. Europe has been cutting defence budgets presumably safe in the knowledge they can piggy back off America. It probably isn't going unnoticed by Americans that there is a lot of anti-Americanism in Europe as well.

If it were us I think we would be a little be peeved. I mean this line:

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Last month the Pentagon announced plans to quadruple its budget for European defence in 2017.
should embarrass Europe. Even if America has their own geopolitical interests at stake.

Osem 30-03-2016 21:41
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Yes I see what you mean. However nothing embarrasses Europe does it? Look around...

Some will say that it's the price the US pays for their position and influence but I agree that Europe ought to do more and we do more than anyone else I believe.

Damien 30-03-2016 22:00
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35830051)
Yes I see what you mean. However nothing embarrasses Europe does it? Look around...

Some will say that it's the price the US pays for their position and influence but I agree that Europe ought to do more and we do more than anyone else I believe.
Yeah and we're one of the nuclear powers along with France. To be honest I can see an argument for abolishing Trident if the money was spent on conventional forces and the intelligence services although I am generally in favour of renewal. If we believe NATO will hold as an alliance then it would be logical that different states specialise in specific areas. We seem to be pretty good at technological development, intelligence and such. Not sure how important a decent navy is these days....

Chris 30-03-2016 22:59
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35830053)
Yeah and we're one of the nuclear powers along with France. To be honest I can see an argument for abolishing Trident if the money was spent on conventional forces and the intelligence services although I am generally in favour of renewal. If we believe NATO will hold as an alliance then it would be logical that different states specialise in specific areas. We seem to be pretty good at technological development, intelligence and such. Not sure how important a decent navy is these days....
Arguing that spending can be diverted from the nuclear deterrent to conventional arms is to misunderstand what the deterrent is.

The deterrent is our final guarantee that no matter how outmatched our armed forces may be, no matter how great the risk of invasion, we retain the ability to inflict such damage on an aggressor as to dissuade them from attacking us.

We could not possibly spend enough money on our conventional armed forces so as to ensure they could not be outmatched on the battlefield.

Taf 31-03-2016 11:31
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35830065)
Arguing that spending can be diverted from the nuclear deterrent to conventional arms is to misunderstand what the deterrent is.

The deterrent is our final guarantee that no matter how outmatched our armed forces may be, no matter how great the risk of invasion, we retain the ability to inflict such damage on an aggressor as to dissuade them from attacking us.

We could not possibly spend enough money on our conventional armed forces so as to ensure they could not be outmatched on the battlefield.
True, and the anti-nuclear campaigners don't seem to have a clue as to how the world does work, and not how it should work in their nuclear-free utopia.

Osem 31-03-2016 13:13
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... and as such, the nuclear option is priceless...

Osem 12-08-2016 13:59
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The tensions surrounding Crimea seem to be mounting again:

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Ukrainian troops have been placed on alert along the de facto border with Crimea and facing rebels in the east.
The heightened tensions follow Russian accusations that Ukraine is carrying out armed incursions into Crimea.
Ukraine's envoy to the UN asked Russia to provide evidence of the claims, and said some 40,000 Russian troops were massed on the Crimea-Ukraine border.
His Russian counterpart told the UN Security Council of Moscow's "concern and outrage" at the alleged incursions.
Crimea was annexed by Russia from Ukraine in 2014 after an unrecognised referendum.
Ukraine's SBU security service said on Thursday night that the alert level was being raised to red because of "the escalation at the administrative border with Crimea" as well as in the eastern regions of Luhansk and Donetsk.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37049313

Hugh 25-11-2018 15:59
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
And again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46333976
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Ukraine has accused Russia of ramming one of its boats off the coast of the annexed Crimea, amid rising tensions.

The "openly aggressive actions" occurred as three of its vessels sailed from the Black Sea port of Odessa to Mariupol in the Sea of Azov, Kiev said.

Ukraine's Yana Kapu tug suffered damage to its engine, guard rail and outer shell, the Ukrainian navy said.

But Russia said the ships were in its waters, and accused the Ukrainians of "provocative actions".

Russia has now blocked access to the Sea of Azov with a tanker under the bridge that spans the Kerch Strait...

...In 2003, Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty on the Sea of Azov, which defined it as internal waters of the two countries. The treaty guaranteed free navigation to all Ukrainian and Russian vessels.

Taf 25-11-2018 19:57
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Ukranian boats have now been fired at, boarded and confiscated.

Hugh 25-11-2018 20:02
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46338671


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