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TheDaddy 11-04-2007 22:22
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34272908)
But both Carrick and Hargreaves said they wanted to join United and Tottenham wanted to sell as they did in the end and it seems Bayern want to now aswell. Ronaldo hasn't said he wants to join Barcelona or Real Madrid anytime soon, yes he did in the summer, but now he doesn't want to leave and i think thats why United are annoyed by them unsettling the player.
Both players were under contract, due to your clubs actions they said they wanted to leave, what else could their clubs do, we saw what happens to unsettled players with Reo Coker in the summer, actually you guys were implicated in that as well, I hope Ronaldo does leave, what goes around comes around

Shadow Demon UK 11-04-2007 22:29
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34272913)
Both players were under contract, due to your clubs actions they said they wanted to leave, what else could their clubs do, we saw what happens to unsettled players with Reo Coker in the summer, actually you guys were implicated in that as well, I hope Ronaldo does leave, what goes around comes around
You do know that clubs can buy players when they are still in contract? United said they were interested in Carrick and Hargreaves, both players said they want to join United, so United tried to buy them. Real Madrid said they were intersted in Ronaldo, he said he doesn't want to join Real Madrid, but they continue to try and buy him. Theres a difference there, United are angry because Ronlado doesn't want to leave but Madrid continue to pursue him. United continue to pursue Hargreaves because he wants to join them which was the same for Carrick, i see nothing wrong with doing this. If a player wants to leave in my opinion they should be allowed to.

TheDaddy 11-04-2007 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34272920)
You do know that clubs can buy players when they are still in contract? United said they were interested in Carrick and Hargreaves, both players said they want to join United, so United tried to buy them. Real Madrid said they were intersted in Ronaldo, he said he doesn't want to join Real Madrid, but they continue to try and buy him. Theres a difference there, United are angry because Ronlado doesn't want to leave but Madrid continue to pursue him. United continue to pursue Hargreaves because he wants to join them which was the same for Carrick, i see nothing wrong with doing this.
Actually they aren't allowed to say they are interested in buying players, they have to contact the club and if the owning club say they don't want to sell that should be the end of it but of course as Spurs and Bayern have found it never quite seems to be the end of it though, you might see nothing wrong with it but footballs governing bodies certainly do and if what you describe ever came out they'd be in big trouble

Russ 12-04-2007 06:19
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34272913)
I hope Ronaldo does leave, what goes around comes around
Can't you see that Ronaldo staying is in the best interests of the Premiership?

gazzae 12-04-2007 09:31
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Sure its hypocritical but thats football. Managers complain when they get a dodgy goal scored against them even if their team scored a dodgy goal in the same game.

Tapping up goes on. Always has done, always will do.
Do you think West Ham made four bids for Upson without knowing if the player wanted to play for them or not?

TheDaddy 12-04-2007 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34273101)
Can't you see that Ronaldo staying is in the best interests of the Premiership?
If that is what it takes for football to sort itself out then yes I hope he goes, if however he is sold and nothing is done to regulate transfers or sort out the role of agents then no

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34273144)
Tapping up goes on. Always has done, always will do.
Do you think West Ham made four bids for Upson without knowing if the player wanted to play for them or not?
You know what is interesting about Birmingham, the amount of times they say a player isn't for sale only to sell him anyway, whilst its certainly possible that their players are being unsettled or falling foul of dodgy agent practices it is also possible that the club themselves actively encouraging such behaviour, you think if they had any ambition or wanted to be regarded as anything other than a selling club they make a stand once and make the player stay

Russ 12-04-2007 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34273185)
If that is what it takes for football to sort itself out then yes I hope he goes, if however he is sold and nothing is done to regulate transfers or sort out the role of agents then no
On his current form he perhaps the best player in the premiership at the moment (if not the best then in the top 3) - so you'd rather see the premiership devalue itself? People usually associate success in the premiership with Utd and Ronaldo is helping us acheive that. Keep it this way and the English league will be the envy of the world.

There's nothing sinister about Ronaldo's position, it's all power play to get his value as high as possible. As soon as it looks like he might be showing interest in another team, Utd will be considering a higher contract when it comes around for renewal. It's all business. We might not like the way business is conducted but that's business.

sherer 12-04-2007 13:51
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the problem seems to be the greed of the agents.. they don't care if a player stays put, moves to another club or ends up playing for Bromley Town or non-league

all they care about is how they can get a bigger commision, if the current clubs offer a bigger commision then the agent says they will stay..

until FIFA and UEFA put tighter controls on agents then this practise will keep going on and on and more money will go out of the game.. the fans have to pay higher prices just to cover the agents fees that are paid

TheDaddy 12-04-2007 14:01
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34273362)
On his current form he perhaps the best player in the premiership at the moment (if not the best then in the top 3) - so you'd rather see the premiership devalue itself? People usually associate success in the premiership with Utd and Ronaldo is helping us acheive that. Keep it this way and the English league will be the envy of the world.

There's nothing sinister about Ronaldo's position, it's all power play to get his value as high as possible. As soon as it looks like he might be showing interest in another team, Utd will be considering a higher contract when it comes around for renewal. It's all business. We might not like the way business is conducted but that's business.
I don't dispute how good a player he is and as I said if football finally gets its house in order then I think the sacrifice is worth it, surely the Premiership is already being devalued by the behaviour mentioned earlier, carry on as we are and we run the risk of ruining it, attendances are already dwindling to such a degree that terracing is actively proposing a return, people in general consider the players to be out of touch mercenaries.

The fact is too many people have their hands in the cookie jar and until it affects the big clubs nothing will be done

Btw hasn't he just signed a new contract?

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34273391)
the problem seems to be the greed of the agents.. they don't care if a player stays put, moves to another club or ends up playing for Bromley Town or non-league

all they care about is how they can get a bigger commision, if the current clubs offer a bigger commision then the agent says they will stay..

until FIFA and UEFA put tighter controls on agents then this practise will keep going on and on and more money will go out of the game.. the fans have to pay higher prices just to cover the agents fees that are paid
Fair points indeed, I would like to see agents abolished personally, let the PFA lawyers do the deals for them

sherer 12-04-2007 14:13
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you are right some players are just in it for the money but I think without agents then some of this practice will stop

take some deals an agent can get paid over a £1 million just for a player signing a contract extension at the same club :Yikes: :Yikes:

yeah the PFA can do most of this or just a normal lawyer.. i think if a player wants an agent then let them pay for it.. not the clubs, of course that might work in the prem and la Liga but not very well in Div 2 so it needs to be thought through more

Russ 12-04-2007 18:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34273400)
Btw hasn't he just signed a new contract?
Yes - I was talking in the past tense ;)

Hom3r 12-04-2007 21:41
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Watching Spurs v Sevilla

The ref is a complete and utter blind W***er

Missed a clear penalty, failed to send off a sevilla player for stamping on a spurs players head

Defore just came on a scored seconds after coming on, an Lenon scored 2 mins later 2 all 3-4 on AGG to sevilla

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Well Spurs were robbed, they didn't stand a chance with Sevilla's 12 men

gazzae 12-04-2007 21:46
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Great finish by Malbranque

iadom 12-04-2007 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34273960)
Great finish by Malbranque

And Dawson, and Berbatov, lets be honest if you can't beat a team dressed in Salmon Pink its time to give up.:)

jim.

sherer 13-04-2007 09:35
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don't believe everything the commentators say esp David Pleat.. it was never a pen.. he dived .. yes there may have been a slight shirt pull but if that can drag a man down then we will have 90 pens a game

i've said before unless a player dives in pon purpose to take a man and makes no attempt to get the ball then it isn't a pen.. until FIFA etc use the same rule we will ALWAYS have diving

the commentators don't help either as all the young kids watching now think they should fall over and dive if their shirt is touched

Saaf_laandon_mo 13-04-2007 10:49
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/6551679.stm

but is it worth the paper its written on if someone comes in with a massive offer?

sherer 13-04-2007 10:58
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34274315)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/6551679.stm

but is it worth the paper its written on if someone comes in with a massive offer?
no he can still do what he wants and I bet his agent will still talk to Real and Barca to try and get a better deal

as we all know if a player wants to go in the end he will

Saaf_laandon_mo 13-04-2007 11:00
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Until a club has the bottle to dump a player in the reserves for the remainder of his contract (if said player expresses desire to play for another club during his contract) then it will go on and on.

gazzae 13-04-2007 11:13
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34274326)
Until a club has the bottle to dump a player in the reserves for the remainder of his contract (if said player expresses desire to play for another club during his contract) then it will go on and on.
I'd imagine if that happened the player would go to court and probably win. Restriction of trade or something like that.

Its funny though people complain that contracts mean nothing and then slag off players like Winston Bogarde who refuse to leave and see out their contract. I mean which way do you want it?

TheDaddy 13-04-2007 11:24
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34274338)
I'd imagine if that happened the player would go to court and probably win. Restriction of trade or something like that.

Its funny though people complain that contracts mean nothing and then slag off players like Winston Bogarde who refuse to leave and see out their contract. I mean which way do you want it?
Winston Bogarde, the man who wasted a chunk of his career rotting in the reserves, a prime example of a footballing mercenary, do these people not realise how lucky they are? Given the privilege to play football in front millions every week and he wants to waste some of it? How much money did that guy want and how out of touch is he with those that pay his over inflated wages?

gazzae 13-04-2007 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34274351)
Winston Bogarde, the man who wasted a chunk of his career rotting in the reserves, a prime example of a footballing mercenary, do these people not realise how lucky they are? Given the privilege to play football in front millions every week and he wants to waste some of it? How much money did that guy want and how out of touch is he with those that pay his over inflated wages?
True. But he had a contract and if people want contracts to "be worth the paper they are written on" then you can't slag him off.

Saaf_laandon_mo 13-04-2007 11:35
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Im not slagging off Winston at all. As far as Im concerned contracts are there to be honoured by all parties. His club wanted to sell him didn't they, and he said no, as he's entitled too.

TheDaddy 13-04-2007 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34274356)
True. But he had a contract and if people want contracts to "be worth the paper they are written on" then you can't slag him off.
Except it's all geared towards the player, if a player wants to go there is very little the club can do to stop him leaving, conversely if he wants to stay there is little they can do to get rid of him other than pay off his contract in full, years ago it was all in the clubs favour and it was just as unfair on the players, now the roles have reversed and its all in the players favour its just as bad, in fact much worse imo

yesman 13-04-2007 23:23
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Well, as nobody has mentioned it.....

Good news for United fans...
Ronaldo has signed a new five year contract.....

Quote:
The 22-year-old has pledged his future to United until 2012 and Sir Alex says Ronaldo is at the right club to continue his astronomical development.
I am intrigued in to what his contract says or what he earns each week, anyway.......
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Sir Alex did, however, deliver stinging criticism of the transfer tactics employed in Spain.
“They keep talking in Spain the way they do and unsettling clubs like ourselves,” he said. “It doesn’t matter to them, I don’t think they have any care for Manchester United or anyone else when they decide to put their net out for the best players in the world. They’ve shown that over the years, they don’t have any regard for how you feel.
“It seems to happen time and time again. There’s no point in reporting it to UEFA or FIFA. It wouldn’t matter to them if you fined them. When it goes on and on, you start looking at the substance to it. It’s a game they play in their election process.
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pa...=419240&page=1

TheDaddy 14-04-2007 08:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34274954)
Well, as nobody has mentioned it.....

Good news for United fans...
Ronaldo has signed a new five year contract.....



I am intrigued in to what his contract says or what he earns each week, anyway.......
Apparently it is worth £31 million over those five years

Russ 14-04-2007 21:44
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11 goals in 2 games, cracking performance today from United although it was only Watford. Wonder who we'll get in the final? I reckon the trophy will be going up north this year. I fancy Blackburn causing an upset against Chelsea and seeing all the other London clubs found themselves ceremoniously booted out of the tournament, I'd say the FA Cup will be spending another year in the Lancashire area.

Ditto premiership.

Ditto Euro Cup.

TheDaddy 14-04-2007 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34275504)
11 goals in 2 games, cracking performance today from United although it was only Watford. Wonder who we'll get in the final? I reckon the trophy will be going up north this year. I fancy Blackburn causing an upset against Chelsea and seeing all the other London clubs found themselves ceremoniously booted out of the tournament, I'd say the FA Cup will be spending another year in the Lancashire area.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34275504)

Ditto premiership.

Ditto Euro Cup.
You dont think a lack of depth was exposed today then, Evra and Fletcher at right back :erm: and I am begining to think Sherer might have a point about the goalkeeper as well, it's only a matter of time before his uncertainty spreads to the rest of the defence, you have only got to look at Chelsea, they are a different team with Cech in goal

Russ 14-04-2007 22:14
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Lack of depth? Didn't you hear we've got a slight defence situation, what with Rio now having an injury? As for VDS, he's flapped the odd goal recently but how many has he prevented? This is last season as no 1 anyway.

I'd say they're doing something right. You know, top of the premiership, in to the final of the FA Cup and looking to go the same way in Europe.

Mal 14-04-2007 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34275504)
11 goals in 2 games, cracking performance today from United although it was only Watford. Wonder who we'll get in the final? I reckon the trophy will be going up north this year. I fancy Blackburn causing an upset against Chelsea and seeing all the other London clubs found themselves ceremoniously booted out of the tournament, I'd say the FA Cup will be spending another year in the Lancashire area.

Ditto premiership.

Ditto Euro Cup.
:knock: When we have won something...then you can gloat...not before...it tends to jinx it, if you gloat beforehand ;)

Russ 14-04-2007 22:29
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That's true - wasn't BB telling us back in August how Arsenal would clean up this year? :D

Mal 14-04-2007 22:33
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34275537)
That's true - wasn't BB telling us back in August how Arsenal would clean up this year? :D
You learn from example ;) :D

TheDaddy 14-04-2007 23:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34275524)
Lack of depth? Didn't you hear we've got a slight defence situation, what with Rio now having an injury? As for VDS, he's flapped the odd goal recently but how many has he prevented? This is last season as no 1 anyway.

I'd say they're doing something right. You know, top of the premiership, in to the final of the FA Cup and looking to go the same way in Europe.
Rio's a right back is he :dozey:, it's an interesting position, there seems to be a lack of good ones, until the start of this season we didn't have one for over a year, not even one that could do a job and fill in until we got Scaloni on loan, as for VDS the chap on the radio said he thought his uncertainty was due to him receiving a kick in the face recently, he advocated some rough training sessions to sort the problem ;)

Marge 15-04-2007 13:56
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http://photo1.yupoo.com/20070405/220...7_coouuwuw.jpg :LOL:

Think my fave is the Lampard one

pedantic 16-04-2007 01:12
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Originally Posted by Marge (Post 34275887)
http://photo1.yupoo.com/20070405/220...7_coouuwuw.jpg :LOL:

Think my fave is the Lampard one
Most of those players have hardly changed since childhood. Well apart from Barthez............he had hair way back then. :D

sherer 16-04-2007 10:52
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34275590)
Rio's a right back is he :dozey:, it's an interesting position, there seems to be a lack of good ones, until the start of this season we didn't have one for over a year, not even one that could do a job and fill in until we got Scaloni on loan, as for VDS the chap on the radio said he thought his uncertainty was due to him receiving a kick in the face recently, he advocated some rough training sessions to sort the problem ;)

the thing on that one is if VDS hadn't flapped at the first cross that came into the box that went right through his hands then he wouldn't have got a kick on the face.. the goal all came from him not dealing with the first ball

TBH he's been making this mistakes ever since he joined us and he did the same at Fulham.. he did this against Roma and Reading and now Watford this season and luckily in those games it didn't matter against Pompey it did

having watched Cech against Blackburn at the weekend he wasn't up to the same standard.. usually he gets the ball off the pitch or claims it but he had a few shakey moments.

only a few more games and then we get Foster

iadom 16-04-2007 21:19
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Decent game on Sky Sports 2 right now. United v Liverpool.

United have just taken the lead in first leg of the final at Anfield.:cool:

Jim.

gazzae 17-04-2007 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34268611)
Top 5 Goalkeepers
As at: Tue 03 Apr 07 09:35

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 edwin van der sar 406 17 Manchester United
2 marcus hahnemann 401 20 Reading
3 david james 393 23 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 392 24 Liverpool
5 tim howard 385 26 Everton

The Actim Index has been updated and reflects van der Sar's recent below Par performaces.

As at: Tue 17 Apr 07 09:35

Name .....................Index Score ..Overall Rank...Team
1 marcus hahnemann... 435 ................18.........Reading
2 david james..............432 ................19.........Portsmouth
3 tim howard...............431 ................20.........Everton
4 jose reina.................419 ................23.........Liverpool
5 edwin van der sar......415 ................26.........Manchester United


I think the fact that he was in 1st place for a large part of the season but has slipped due to recent performances show that it is hopefully only a blip

smicer07 17-04-2007 12:56
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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34277112)
Decent game on Sky Sports 2 right now. United v Liverpool.

United have just taken the lead in first leg of the final at Anfield.:cool:

Jim.
They still sang "murderers" and "Hillsborough" chants, even though it was a youth game. Classy.:rolleyes:

sherer 17-04-2007 13:00
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34277428)
The Actim Index has been updated and reflects van der Sar's recent below Par performaces.

As at: Tue 17 Apr 07 09:35

Name .....................Index Score ..Overall Rank...Team
1 marcus hahnemann... 435 ................18.........Reading
2 david james..............432 ................19.........Portsmouth
3 tim howard...............431 ................20.........Everton
4 jose reina.................419 ................23.........Liverpool
5 edwin van der sar......415 ................26.........Manchester United


I think the fact that he was in 1st place for a large part of the season but has slipped due to recent performances show that it is hopefully only a blip

no Brad Friedle who I rate as better than VDS and also no Cech but that could be because he was out for a lot of the season.

TheDaddy 17-04-2007 13:20
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No Robinson or Given either

gazzae 17-04-2007 13:27
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Jaaskelainen is 6th with Lehmann 7th and Friedel in 8th Schwarzer is 9th and Carson 10th

It doesn't list anymore.

sherer 17-04-2007 13:38
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34277446)
No Robinson or Given either
Given is good but Robinson has been having a bad season. He has punched and flapped at far too many crosses this season and just hasn't looked as good as he usually does

pedantic 17-04-2007 13:58
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Originally Posted by smicer07 (Post 34277435)
They still sang "murderers" and "Hillsborough" chants, even though it was a youth game. Classy.:rolleyes:
I personally don't condone that kind of thing. Don't forget though, scousers chanted about Munich for over 2 decades, prior to Hillsborough.

sherer 17-04-2007 14:29
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Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34277460)
I personally don't condone that kind of thing. Don't forget though, scousers chanted about Munich for over 2 decades, prior to Hillsborough.
i don't think that is any excuse though.

have been at the United v Liverpool game and the derby and the hatred you see from the fans is unbelievable.. they are sitting about 90 yards away from the liverpool fans and you get one bloke leaning over shouting at them as if they can hear him

sure i want us to win all our games and beat the top sides but I don't hate them..

on the way to OT Dad and me usually stop off for a quick drink at a hotel \ bar near manchester.. several times there have been away fans there and we've never hd a problem and have chatted and joked with them and it's all been fine can't see why others can't just get along

Shadow Demon UK 17-04-2007 14:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34277460)
I personally don't condone that kind of thing. Don't forget though, scousers chanted about Munich for over 2 decades, prior to Hillsborough.
and they still do chant about it.

nffc 17-04-2007 15:06
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34277488)
and they still do chant about it.
as do leeds.

pedantic 17-04-2007 15:44
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34277477)
i don't think that is any excuse though.
I did say in my post, I don't condone it.

I'm merely pointing out that supporters have very long memories, and have a "what goes around comes around" attitude.

sir_drinks_alot 18-04-2007 18:17
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That's a shocker !

Vice-chairman Dein leaves Arsenal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/6569561.stm

Russ 19-04-2007 18:31
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/6572993.stm

United's super-sub to call it a day :(

carlingman 19-04-2007 23:37
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In a similar guise to the spoof of Jose Mourinho singing "jose ad his amazing colour coat" apparently on five live yesterday prior to kick off they had a spoof of him singing "roxanne".

Anyone heard this or know where it is available to listen to as I missed it.

Thanks

:D

yesman 19-04-2007 23:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34279427)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/6572993.stm

United's super-sub to call it a day :(
20Legend
Actually, I will be sad to see him go, as no doubt the club will also

iadom 19-04-2007 23:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carlingman (Post 34279719)
In a similar guise to the spoof of Jose Mourinho singing "jose ad his amazing colour coat" apparently on five live yesterday prior to kick off they had a spoof of him singing "roxanne".

Anyone heard this or know where it is available to listen to as I missed it.

Thanks

:D
No, but I heard it and it was very funny, substituted Roman for Roxanne.:D

sherer 20-04-2007 10:30
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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34279723)
20Legend
Actually, I will be sad to see him go, as no doubt the club will also
yes it will be sad to see him go but I thnk his playing days are already over.. he may have got a few goals this season but they have mainly been tap ins and open goals.. if he ws at Watford do you think he would have got any ?

his pace, and that was slow to start with, is even worse and he can't really go in for a challenge any more

sure he is a legend for scoring that goal in the final but Charlton scored in the final too and he isn't still on the bench for us

Russ 20-04-2007 10:35
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Not the same final surely...

gazzae 20-04-2007 10:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34279924)
yes it will be sad to see him go but I thnk his playing days are already over.. he may have got a few goals this season but they have mainly been tap ins and open goals.. if he ws at Watford do you think he would have got any ?

his pace, and that was slow to start with, is even worse and he can't really go in for a challenge any more

sure he is a legend for scoring that goal in the final but Charlton scored in the final too and he isn't still on the bench for us
Do you like any players ;)

sherer 20-04-2007 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34279943)
Do you like any players ;)
lol

as i said Ole is a legend and always been a fan of his wish he had started more for us TBH when he was in his pomp but that is all behind him now.

be honest, if he was at Watford or Sheffield United do you think he would have got any goals ?

it's better to go out at the top than go on a season or two too long

list of players I like ( just to show there are some ) : G Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Silvestre, Evra, Heinze, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Carrick, Smith, Brown

yesman 20-04-2007 22:56
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News, but no surprise........

Quote:
Los Angeles Galaxy have already made their money back on David Beckham, according to their owners.
http://images.skysports.com/images/p...ks-presser.jpg

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...ready+paid+for

pedantic 21-04-2007 13:08
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I see the FA has played a blinder again. :disturbd:

Linky

For the cup final, 25,000 tickets for both Man U and Chelsea, and the rest to go to every bugger else. Compare that with the scottish cup final, where allocation is between the two competing finalists only. Now why is that ?

Link for the scottish cup final details can be found here, prior to the semi finals.

Quote:
The Scottish FA will agree ticket prices and allocations with the clubs at a meeting on Monday, and all sales will be conducted by the competing clubs only.

Mal 21-04-2007 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34280987)
I see the FA has played a blinder again. :disturbd:

Linky

For the cup final, 25,000 tickets for both Man U and Chelsea, and the rest to go to every bugger else. Compare that with the scottish cup final, where allocation is between the two competing finalists only. Now why is that ?

Link for the scottish cup final details can be found here, prior to the semi finals.
With the FA Cup, a large share has always been handed out to local FAs around the country. I don't know if that share has increased this year, but it's a thing that's always annoyed me.

90,000 seat capacity? The tickets should all be for the finalists.

sherer 21-04-2007 14:01
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yes everyone of the 92 clubs in the league get 2 tickets.. so does every club affiliated with the FA plus FIFA and UEFA get tickets plus all the corporate sponsors get tickets too

pedantic 21-04-2007 14:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34281013)
With the FA Cup, a large share has always been handed out to local FAs around the country. I don't know if that share has increased this year, but it's a thing that's always annoyed me.

90,000 seat capacity? The tickets should all be for the finalists.
I've always understood about the tickets being distributed throughout the country, and like you, it's been a constant bane to me as a football supporter. Queuing for hours in the pouring rain, with no guarantee of obtaining a ticket is rediculous. Remember 1988 ? Liverpool v Wimbledon, that was a farce. I forget how many tickets Wimbledon supporters got, but they had at least 5 times their average gate, and Liverpool got significantly less than their average gate. I think the FA may indeed have upped the share to other parties, which again, is out of order.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34281025)
yes everyone of the 92 clubs in the league get 2 tickets.. so does every club affiliated with the FA plus FIFA and UEFA get tickets plus all the corporate sponsors get tickets too
I think most supporters can live with 2 tickets per non-participating clubs. The figures being quoted are ludicrous though.

Hom3r 21-04-2007 15:04
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good ole spurs pull out an equaliser in the diying seconds

Mal 21-04-2007 19:28
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Oh well, it makes for an interesting end to the season :erm:

I wonder what Southgate moan about today? ;)

pedantic 22-04-2007 00:04
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Well, I said to myself earlier today, whoever makes the first mistake, will lose the title...........Oops ! :disturbd:

Mal 22-04-2007 00:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34281522)
Well, I said to myself earlier today, whoever makes the first mistake, will lose the title...........Oops ! :disturbd:
:knock: That's for thinking too soon ;)

pedantic 22-04-2007 00:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34281525)
:knock: That's for thinking too soon ;)
3 very tough away matches including Chelsea, we certainly know how to do things the hard way. :erm:

Mal 22-04-2007 00:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34281538)
3 very tough away matches including Chelsea, we certainly know how to do things the hard way. :erm:
Don't remind me... :(

pedantic 22-04-2007 00:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34281547)
Don't remind me... :(
And...............the first choice defence is all injured, couldn't have happened at a worse time. :erm:

But I'll not remind you of that either. :D :angel:

Mal 22-04-2007 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34281548)
And...............the first choice defence is all injured, couldn't have happened at a worse time. :erm:

But I'll not remind you of that either. :D :angel:
:knock:

nffc 22-04-2007 00:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34281065)
I've always understood about the tickets being distributed throughout the country, and like you, it's been a constant bane to me as a football supporter. Queuing for hours in the pouring rain, with no guarantee of obtaining a ticket is rediculous. Remember 1988 ? Liverpool v Wimbledon, that was a farce. I forget how many tickets Wimbledon supporters got, but they had at least 5 times their average gate, and Liverpool got significantly less than their average gate. I think the FA may indeed have upped the share to other parties, which again, is out of order.



I think most supporters can live with 2 tickets per non-participating clubs. The figures being quoted are ludicrous though.
Well as a player of the round (1st) Krissy Commons will be there - he's scored 4 goals in the last two games for us btw. Including his 2 from today, a 30 yarder on his right followed by a 20 on his left, he's a left footer.

iadom 22-04-2007 10:21
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I take it you won't be signing up to this then,;)

http://tinyurl.com/2grj39 :D

pedantic 22-04-2007 13:15
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It looks like Joey Barton could be on his way out.

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"If I was a fan I wouldn't have paid to watch us at home this season.
Sometimes you have to bite your lip, and keep your gob shut.

---------- Post added at 13:15 ---------- Previous post was at 13:14 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc (Post 34281556)
Well as a player of the round (1st) Krissy Commons will be there
Or more likely, his ticket will end up on the black market. :disturbd:

sherer 22-04-2007 14:09
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well once again VDS put in in a world class performance.. at a few of the corners he just flapped at the ball and dropped it and instead of punching the ball out of the area he flapped it down to the ground :Yikes:

Sure Rio was injured but when we needed a world class save, something everyone keeps telling me he does, he just ended up kicking thin air.. surely a keeper if his so called class shouldn't be beaten at the near post like that

We brought on Giggs in the second half, a player who is meant to be playing the best football of his career and he just went through the motions as he has done several times this season

Mal 22-04-2007 14:42
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34281968)
well once again VDS put in in a world class performance.. at a few of the corners he just flapped at the ball and dropped it and instead of punching the ball out of the area he flapped it down to the ground :Yikes:

Sure Rio was injured but when we needed a world class save, something everyone keeps telling me he does, he just ended up kicking thin air.. surely a keeper if his so called class shouldn't be beaten at the near post like that

We brought on Giggs in the second half, a player who is meant to be playing the best football of his career and he just went through the motions as he has done several times this season
So what do you think of his save from Viduka, in the second half then?

pedantic 22-04-2007 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34282004)
So what do you think of his save from Viduka, in the second half then?
Damn ! You beat me to it ya bugger. :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34281968)
well once again VDS put in in a world class performance.. at a few of the corners he just flapped at the ball and dropped it and instead of punching the ball out of the area he flapped it down to the ground :Yikes:

Sure Rio was injured but when we needed a world class save, something everyone keeps telling me he does, he just ended up kicking thin air.. surely a keeper if his so called class shouldn't be beaten at the near post like that

We brought on Giggs in the second half, a player who is meant to be playing the best football of his career and he just went through the motions as he has done several times this season
If Van der sar would have been on his near post, and Viduka puts it the other side of him, you would have criticised him for that too for leaving a gaping hole on his far post. As Mal says, what about the save in the second half from Viduka, seemed like he stopped a certain goal to me. :shrug:

You can't blame Van der sar for every goal Man u concedes. You seem to be looking for every little error the bloke makes, instead of looking at what he does well.

gazzae 22-04-2007 15:28
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Phew! Chelsea fail to take advantage... Newcastle 0 - 0 Chelsea

sherer 22-04-2007 15:30
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34282010)
Damn ! You beat me to it ya bugger. :D



If Van der sar would have been on his near post, and Viduka puts it the other side of him, you would have criticised him for that too for leaving a gaping hole on his far post. As Mal says, what about the save in the second half from Viduka, seemed like he stopped a certain goal to me. :shrug:

You can't blame Van der sar for every goal Man u concedes. You seem to be looking for every little error the bloke makes, instead of looking at what he does well.
I don't blame him for all our goals this season but he has been at fault for alot of them and was still guilty of flapping and not dealing with corners or crosses

sure he did a good save but even Kushzak and Foster could have done that and neither of them would have flapper at balls earlier

for a so called World Class goalkeeper when we needed a decent save he wasn't there

Mal 22-04-2007 15:45
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34282051)
Phew! Chelsea fail to take advantage... Newcastle 0 - 0 Chelsea
What a let off...

Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34282054)
I don't blame him for all our goals this season but he has been at fault for alot of them and was still guilty of flapping and not dealing with corners or crosses

sure he did a good save but even Kushzak and Foster could have done that and neither of them would have flapper at balls earlier

for a so called World Class goalkeeper when we needed a decent save he wasn't there
I seem to remember a classic flap from Schmeichel, I think that it was at Juventus, he came out for the ball over a couple of players, flapped and missed and they equalised. Now, even he had times, where you were going "oh, for f's sake", but you did realise that even the best have bad days.

The problem with goalies, that is more noticeable than for the outfield players, that they may only make one mistake in the whole match, but that mistake usually ends up in a goal. A striker may shoot, but the ball ends up in row z - you've not lost the match. A midfielder/defender may miss a tackle, but someone else tackles the opponent - you've not lost the match.

pedantic 22-04-2007 15:47
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34282054)
I don't blame him for all our goals this season but he has been at fault for alot of them and was still guilty of flapping and not dealing with corners or crosses

sure he did a good save but even Kushzak and Foster could have done that and neither of them would have flapper at balls earlier

for a so called World Class goalkeeper when we needed a decent save he wasn't there
A lot of Man U supporters' frustrations about goalkeeping, has been going on now for the last 8 years. Look at who they have had to replace. Schmeichel was the best keeper Man U have had, for as long as I can remember. Kuszczak is far from the finished article, from what I've seen. And Foster made a howler himself yesterday, passing the ball to Darius Vassell, for City's opener.

gazzae 22-04-2007 15:48
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Did you see Foster's mistake at the weekend? What would you be saying next season if he does that for Utd? Or if he lets in a goal like he did against Spurs?

sherer 22-04-2007 15:58
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
sure Schmiechal made a few mistakes but the difference was his first thought all the time was i know i'll punch and flap at the ball

he had the sense to realise that if he had the ball or got it off the pitch then the other team couldn't score.. plus he used to TALK to the defenders.. an amazing thing for a keeper to do

at 36 VDS is never going to improve and will keep flapping, punching and making more mistakes.. if he hasn't learnt to shout at the defenders and tell them what is around them he never will

not seen MOTD will take a look.. yes all keepers make mistakes but at their age Foster and Kuszczak can improve alot plus they don't flap at crosses all the time

gazzae 22-04-2007 16:17
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
This is it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoA3lSuBKO8

yesman 22-04-2007 21:44
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Ronaldo secures PFA award double

Quote:
Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo has been named the PFA Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year at a gala dinner in London.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6582201.stm

Shadow Demon UK 22-04-2007 22:01
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And it seems everyone disagrees with sherer about Van der Sar with the team of the year -

PFA Premier League Team of the Year 2007:
Edwin van der Sar, Gary Neville, Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra (all Man Utd); Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo (all Man Utd) and Steven Gerrard (Liverpool); Didier Drogba (Chelsea) and Dimitar Berbatov (Tottenham)

Eight out of eleven from Manchester United is some achievement.

iadom 22-04-2007 23:01
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34282464)

Eight out of eleven from Manchester United is some achievement.
Nice, but it will count for nothing if there is nothing to show for it other than some of the best attacking football seen in many a long year. As a United fan since the late 50's :shocked: I would still rather watch a team attempt to play in the 'United' style and win nothing than watch the, grind out a 'result' at all costs paraded by certain sides.

Jim.

yesman 23-04-2007 07:50
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
It's official, Her Majesty supports The Arsenal :erm:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007180703,00.html

gazzae 23-04-2007 09:22
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Hahahah what happened there?

sherer 23-04-2007 09:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34282464)
And it seems everyone disagrees with sherer about Van der Sar with the team of the year -
yep seems i'm the odd one out but as this is voted for by the players and we all know how stupid they are :D

i guess it's easier to moan and complain that it is to praise people for doing well

still the weekend has gone and we can look forward to Tuesday, really need a big performance from the midfield and attack as we know we are short on defenders and will have a very make shift defence

gazzae 24-04-2007 09:36
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JOSE`S GREAT ESCAPE IN A LAUNDRY BASKET

New reports have claimed that Jose Mourinho flouted UEFA's touchline ban in 2005 by using an earpiece, handwritten notes and a loud speaker before escaping detection via a laundry basket.

[...]

According to The Mail, 'Gaining access to the dressing room for the first leg at Stamford Bridge was simple enough. He arrived shortly after lunch, even though it would mean waiting more than four hours for his players to join him. "In the afternoon you haven't got anyone around," said the source. "He just walked in." It meant Mourinho was in place to give his pre-match team talk and all-important half-time address and watch the game on the television that is in the dressing room.'

[...]

'Mourinho was not waiting for the players at the end of the match, which Chelsea won 4-2, because he had already allegedly clambered into one of the kit skips. He was wheeled out of the dressing-room by members of the backroom staff and, it is believed, back into the leisure club in the Chelsea Village hotel at the ground, where it had been reported that he spent the entire evening.

[...]

Nor was his nerve wavering. Undeterred by the mounting suspicion, Mourinho's ruse for the second leg in Germany was just as remarkable as his laundry basket getaway.


Having made an ostentatious appearance in the stands at the Olympic Stadium, Mourinho complained of media harassment and duly returned to the team hotel to enjoy its convenient privacy. According to the source, a loud-speaker had been set up in the Chelski dressing room, enabling Mourinho to talk to his players at half-time on the telephone.


'"There was a massive speaker," a source said. "José was at the hotel." Uefa's representatives had surpassed themselves yet again by approaching Faria to check if there was anything under his hat. There wasn't.'

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...083734,00.html

sherer 24-04-2007 09:59
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thanks for the link there.. this is where giving managers red cards and sending them into the stands is pointless

alot of managers watch from the stands anyway so that is hardly a punishment.. if a manager is sent off or banned from the touchline then he should be locked in the referees room for the game before, during and after the match, the fouth official can keep an eye on him or get another steward to do it for safety reasons

Russ 24-04-2007 10:28
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
If that's true then Chelseas are simply out of control - the only form of discipline they'll listen to is docked points.

TheBlueRaja 24-04-2007 14:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34283862)
According to The Mail
Its not true.

Russ 24-04-2007 20:32
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Awful, awful defending tonight :grind:

Gareth 24-04-2007 21:09
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Come on Milan!!! :D

Kaka is so impressive :cool:

---------- Post added at 21:09 ---------- Previous post was at 20:45 ----------

Anyone see what Giggs got booked for?

yesman 24-04-2007 21:38
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34284420)
Awful, awful defending tonight :grind:
Quite good at attacking though Russ :tu:

But United will have their work cut out in the San Siro, that's for sure.

gazzae 24-04-2007 21:46
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Gotta be one of the best games of the season. What a pass from Scholes for Rooney's first.

Gattuso going off was a lucky break for Utd. Scholes and Carrick bossed it after that.

Utd still have it all to do though, can't defend like that in Milan

Shadow Demon UK 24-04-2007 21:47
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34284430)
Anyone see what Giggs got booked for?
For pushing that little **** Kaka who was waving an imgainary yellow card to try and get Fletcher booked.

What a pass by Scholes for the second goal! Good result considering what the score was at half time.

iadom 24-04-2007 22:40
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
It looked as though Evra and Heinze were trying to make each other look stupid, what the hell was Evra doing flying in like that when they scored the second.

Still, thats the boys for you, never make it easy, a rollercoaster of skill, buffoonery and ultimate ecstasy with the third goal. AC have only conceded one goal away this season, if Carrick had not missed that sitter and their keeper hadn't saved brilliantly from Ronaldo & Fletcher then it may have been a different story.

Did anyone hear the snippet on the news today, may have only reached the local press. United requested that the game against Man City be put back one day due to its proximity to the second leg against AC Milan. City, who are safe, with nothing to play for refused.

Jim.

Wicked_and_Crazy 24-04-2007 22:43
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34284564)
Man City be put back one day due to its proximity to the second leg against AC Milan. City, who are safe, with nothing to play for refused.

Jim.
Dont they get more money the higher they finish?

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats...urnover_02.htm

Based on last season an extra place in the league can be worth in the region of £500k

Mal 24-04-2007 22:47
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34284564)
Did anyone hear the snippet on the news today, may have only reached the local press. United requested that the game against Man City be put back one day due to its proximity to the second leg against AC Milan. City, who are safe, with nothing to play for refused.

Jim.
Here and here...

I think that the management at City would be lynched if they were seen helping Utd out ;) :D


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