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No doubt you are right , but can easily live with out it !

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The premium version has no ads and also it has original dramas that are not available on the free version or on the ITV channels. It also contains BRITBOX content for no additional fee.

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The adverts are incredibly annoying on ITVX. Its made it very difficult to fast forward through them deliberately of course. Another advantage of recording programmes.

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I know what you mean. That's why I get the premium version. I never watch adverts these days.

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If, like me, you are on the full-fat TV package (or whatever it's called this month), you are able to fast-forward through the ITVX ads.

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After phoning virgin media about the sky sports uhd I was to it will be £7 a month got a chat with virgin media as I lost channel 999 they say its because virgin media giving all top tier will get all 3 channels free

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Understand were you are coming from but there are only 24hrs in a day and I do like to sleep ! And I can find more than enough to watch with out spending even more money. Have roughly 14% recordings at any one time. I don't store once seen so can more than fill the time :D

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For anyone interested software version 4.46 has begun to arrive on 360 boxes.
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...6/ba-p/5262031

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Netflix to reduce prices in 100 markets (North America and Western Europe are not one of those markets yet) in a bid to combat password sharing https://thestreamable.com/news/why-i...m_medium=email

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Warner Bros. Discovery Tops 96 Million Streaming Subscribers Across HBO, HBO Max and Discovery+
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/hbo...22-1235533690/

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Update also more info about a combined HBO Max-Discovery+ streamer - from your link:

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There reason for keeping Discovery+ aswell
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...rs-1235332846/

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Thought this bit was interesting from that article:

On. Feb 8, news broke that Warner Bros. Discovery has decided to keep Discovery+ as a standalone streaming offering and to proceed with launching the yet-to-be-named combined product of Discovery+ and HBO Max.

So, contrary to recent reports, there will be a merged HBO Max and Discovery+ streamer, but there will also remain a Discovery+ streamer too.

Anyone confused by that...? (I am)

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Sorry, just typing my reply as others were also typing theirs.

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I think todays story mean.

Discovery+ - £9.99
HBO Max - £9.99

Both of them - £14.99

Sky did that in 1990 when they took over BSB with Sky Movies Plus and The Movie Channel

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I wonder if they are going to stick the sports on the combined steamer? I thought that was the reason for keeping Discovery+ seperate.

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Discovery+ and HBO Max content will be on available in 1 platform.

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WBD are also talking about launching a free ad supported streamer, a bit like Pluto.

I thought media consolidation meant there would be fewer streamers, not more!

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The more I read on this, the less clear it becomes! :D

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Discovery+ doesn't have sport tier in the US , so easily to keep it going aswell I suppose.

Plans for Discovery+ in Europe, the Middle East and Africa once the new combined service launches are being assessed on a market-by-market basis

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HBO Max already streams Live Sport in Brazil for example
https://twitter.com/TNTSportsBR/stat...WxhPLydfg&s=19

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That's interesting, so the new HBO Max will be a all-in-one combined service with sport,tv, films and Discovery's reality crap along with the seperate Discovery+ streamer, which I assume will stay as it is.

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What I've learned from these posts is that every market is different. And I think the Eurosport player will exist in some markets too. It will doubtless take a few years and a few wrong turns for everything to settle down.

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It's not quite the Netflix vision of having one global streamer serving the same stuff for everyone, is it? Not that Netflix ever quite managed that either.

I think having three streamers is going to cause them problems.

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In time I'm sure they'll all be on the same platform just branded differently.

Just think, there could have been four if they'd not cancelled the roll-out of CNN!

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Japan’s U-Next Renews HBO and HBO Max Content Deal With Warner Bros Discovery - still considering options in Asia for their streaming service
https://deadline.com/2023/03/warner-...nt-1235281230/

In Australia their new agreement still allows them to launch their combined streaming service possibly In partnership with Foxtel, wonder if same applies here, there plans were later in 2024 for Asia- Pacific

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@Old Boy - look like Disney are set to sell TV Rights to other broadcasters again:

CEO Bob Iger Tells Shareholders Marvel, Star Wars, Disney And Pixar Titles Will Stay Exclusive, But Others Could “On Occasion” Be Licensed To Third Parties

So new seasons of the following may appear on Sky Witness HD soon if Sky want them back.

*9-1-1
*9-1-1 Lone Star
*Station 19
*Grey's Anatomy

With Sky having the TV rights and Disney having the Streaming rights.

https://deadline.com/2023/04/disney-...es-1235316609/

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Yes, the broadcasters will bite their hands off, but I still think they are just being offered a few bones. The TV schedules aren’t what they used to be.

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I somehow don't think so , I suspect back catalogue content may well be sold on a non exclusive basis to others which is what they have Started doing already in Australia.

ABC/20th Television Will Trent premiered on Disney+ today , The Company You Keep is due to premiere soon aswell (there is a Disney+ link for it and has premiere on Disney+ Australia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_programming

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Disney haven't taken all their content back - The Simpsons is still on Channel 4 and Sky, for example.

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I read somewhere Sky have lifetime rights to The Simpsons, although limited since they have no On Demand rights

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FYI Lloyds Bank has announced it is offering Disney+ as one of the free 'Lifestyle Benefit' you can choose if you sign up to its Lloyds Club account which is a current account with a charge of £3 a month or fee waived if you pay in more than £2000 a month.

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Warner Bros Discovery to Host Streaming Product Press Event on 12th April
https://wbd.com/warner-bros-discover...t-press-event/

In terms of new territories it appears the new combined streaming platform will launch In France in 2024 since they announced their first Original for the region and Warner Bros Discovery have confirmed the combined streaming service will launch in Asia-Pacific in late 2024.

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Is there another way to remove a package other than having to have Stream to remove it? or is the only way to do this is by phone, I find it inconvenient to have to phone to remove a package when you can manually add a package via your TV.

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They appear to make it hard to remove packages or downgrade.

I don't think you can removed Cinema and Sports on Sky for example without phoning.

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According to FX the upcoming season of It's Sunny In Philadelphia will be on Star+ and Disney+ in all other territories so not sure selling first run rights to other platforms/Broadcasters is happening

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https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/bbc-told-t...lacement-plan/

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While It might mean the end of Freeview probably not Linear TV just yet.

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I would have thought DTV Services Ltd (who own Freeview and Freesat) would be the most appropriate body to do this and not the BBC.

I definitely think this is a missing service, as both TV Sky and VM offer linear streaming devices. It would also make it easier for VM and Sky customers without an aerial to cut the cord.

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I must admit to being puzzled by this. Surely, if the powers that be want Freeview to continue, they could simply transfer it all over to the internet.

Other streamers such as the BBC I-Player and NOW already have their scheduled TV channels on their internet service, so why is there an issue with bringing them all together on a streaming version of Freeview? Is there something I’m missing here?

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Maybe the broadcasters prefer to promote their own apps with potential for subscriptions and gaining a direct relationships with viewers over a general free service.

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The loss of millions of viewers for a start.

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And for an encore, Old Boy solves world hunger by telling governments all they have to do is grow more food and ship it around the world.

As per, you seem to think that describing your desired output is basically the same as solving all the technical challenges required to achieve it. In the real world, streaming is proprietary technology, there are therefore significant costs to entry for smaller operators and at present there is no system that would facilitate seamless transition from the present system of using channel numbers to access broadcast transmissions. In other words, while the building blocks may be there, someone has got to spend a lot of time and money assembling them into an IP version of Freeview before such a transition could be made.

We’ve been in a new house for almost a year now and have had so much else to do, we’ve yet to get round to getting an aerial on the roof. We have FTTP so we do indeed rely on streaming for all our TV. However even with a TV that is only 5 years old, and fibre internet delivering 300Mbps, streaming broadcast channels is still clunky. Select the broadcaster’s app, wait for it to load, navigate away from the default view (which is always what they want to push, and never what’s on now), then navigate from channel to channel to see what’s on.

If you’re lucky you’ll get a now-and-next EPG for the channel you’re actually looking at. There is no EPG for the entire broadcast stream ecosystem. I still have to use the Freesat app on my iPad in order to see what’s on all the channels before opening an app, because navigating channels within an app is quite slow enough - navigating between channels on different apps is torturous.

We are a very long way from replicating Freeview over IP in any way that would make it easy to achieve universal adoption.

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But if there are no linear channels, that problem disappears… ;)

(ahoy, circular logic argument on the horizon, Cap’n…)

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They can do both. A Freeview service could be established over the internet AND people would also have an option to go directly to the streamer via their website.

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So you think people just wouldn’t watch the telly? Seems unlikely.

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I thought you already had the choice to pretty much watch all of Freeview online

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You only have to look at those FAST channels to see that it doesn’t have to be that hard. If government wants to promote Freeview via IP then it will fund the project if a private provider cannot be found. It doesn’t take much imagination to see how this can work. I have no doubt that this can be done well within 10 years, which takes us to 2033.

Maybe the BBC could take this on for a few. They need the money and the I-Player works quite well.

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I think some on here just want Freeview to look exactly as it does now. All I’m saying is that if that is what is wanted, it can be achieved over IP.

Whether this is what the broadcasters want is a different issue.

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There’s 28 million households in the UK and broadband penetration is only at 89%. Add on those who can’t get a speed sufficient enough for HDTV, or perhaps only one stream per household. So yes, OB, you’ve just cut off millions of people.

For those who have dated equipment who is to say that they move to Freeview over IP instead of say Sky or Virgin? This means reduced prominence. That means fewer viewers on top of the millions you’ve outright cut off.

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This Government will be out of office in mere months and I’d be shocked if the next one committed to arbitrarily cutting television off for millions of people and driving up costs in a cost of living crisis!

Will TV manufacturers commit to these not yet developed standards and proprietary products for the UK market?

Considering analogue switch off took 14 years from digital switch on (which itself, was years of planning) it’s extremely difficult to see how your proposal can be driven in ten.

Surely if broadcasters didn’t want Freeview they’d just hand back their licences? Is this going to be industry led or will it require Government intervention as you outline above?

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Well, people can just decide there's too many hurdles, too many hoops to jump through, the costs might be prohibitive...or they may even be stubborn.

I know from recent personal experience that it can not take much to change viewing habits. My recent life changes have meant I spend less time watching anything, no matter the method of delivery, and life is so good I frankly don't care so much if TV, a previous big part of life, isn't a big part of the equation.

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That’s funny, because you quoted a different percentage last time. The true figure as at the start of 2023 was 97.8% penetration. Do you really believe that we’ll not have the whole country covered in 10 years?

You are right to point out that some people have TVs that are outdated now. I suspect the government would help them the same way as they did with the digital changeover. I know you like to put obstacles to any change, and I am not saying there aren’t any, but obstacles can be overcome.

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I didn’t say broadcasters didn’t want Freeview in some form or another. Faced with a switch off in the early 2030s, maybe any conversion to IP would indeed be industry led. However, if not, I’m pretty certain that the government of the day would put money in to assist or cover development costs.

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The higher figure is coverage. The lower figure is the number of households who actually subscribe. And yes, in 10 years time I still think there will be people who don’t subscribe to internet services for whatever reason they please.

I’m a bloke on the internet. You’ll find the markets put obstacles in place, cold hard self preservation motivated capitalists.

There’s no magic money tree, OB. For a cause that’s neither necessary nor desirable. Unless you are proposing the Government gives away free internet to people who just want it for TV? Sounds like communism to me.

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Maybe so, jfman, but if they want to watch TV, then they will have to when the transmitters are taken over for 5G mobile.

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I find that it’s the government, quangos like Ofcom, protest groups and people on this forum that put obstacles in the way. Business generally finds a way around the problems.

You may be unaware of this, but the government has been considering providing a basic internet service free of charge to at least some of the population. I have no doubt that they will also provide assistance to people who do not have smart TVs. If that happens, and I’m sure it will, the problem of cost to poorer households is resolved.

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"something magic will happen", "business will sort it out, gazpacho, mumble, something something..."

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Why would they be taken over? The current TV transmission network isn’t sufficient for 5G mobile. Your average mobile mast transmits a range of a few miles radius maximum - the extremely high bandwidth 5G has an even lower range at entirely different frequencies.

:rofl:

Source?

A lot of big ifs and buts there. Nothing concrete to keep the revenue gravy train running for the big broadcasters on Freeview.

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Well, let’s cut the sarky comments Chris or I’ll remind everyone that just a few years ago you claimed that there was not enough electricity to extend the current system to on demand only - oops, sorry, I just did!

Let’s stick to what we know. Firstly, you will surely be aware that a proposal to devote the broadcast spectrum to 5G mobiles is being considered globally, and that may well lead to the whole of the current bandwidth being so designated. If that happens, and a decision is expected soon, then converting to IP delivered TV will happen, no matter what you or anyone else says.

The government is already thinking in that direction anyway. The BBC has been instructed to prepare for an IP onl future. To wit:

https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/bbc-told-t...lacement-plan/

I am well aware that there are challenges, but what is it that makes you think they are insurmountable?

And for God’s sake, it is not my desired outcome. I’m just setting out how I see TV being delivered in the future. I’ve been saying this for eight years now, and bit by bit, we are still edging along to the very outcome that I have thought would come about all along. It is incredible that you are still fighting this notion, despite what you can see happening in front of your own eyes.

There is the linear channels/on demand debate, and we’ll see what happens there. I believe that the broadcast channels will be looking at going on demand only, because it is easier and less costly. If the linear channels are retained as now but via IP, it will only be because the government/OFCOM have decreed that it must happen. I don’t believe the broadcasters themselves will make that decision.

I think the FAST channels may be short lived because people will tire of them. They are not really proper channels and don’t provide the range or standard of viewing of the main channels we have today - even in their existing dumbed-down state. You make a point about the cost for smaller operators. Well, it seems that very small enterprises can and do add their limited content on platforms like Roku, so I’m sure that a new Freeview IP site could be set up to accommodate them if required. There is no reason why Freeview cannot be replicated on the internet, although I think that rather than the existing linear channels, each broadcaster will have their on demand services listed as we do under the ‘Apps’ section of our set top boxes.

A majority of the population already access their programmes on demand and say they prefer it. Which way are we going? I think it’s a no-brainer.

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Seems like Sky Glass is not proving as popular as Sky/Comcast had hoped

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-in-glass.html

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Link, please?

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To be clear, there has been discussion, but in terms of what is actually happening now it’s lower tariffs for people on benefits.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...14-august-2022

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No, because the TV won’t work as intended without a Sky subscription. Sky Stream should be more successful.

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Why not just Google it, Hugh?

Here’s one, but it’s been reported quite widely.

https://www.statista.com/topics/9435...nited-kingdom/

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Nothing in that link supports your statement that I did "google it", and couldn’t find anything that supports your assertion

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So to be clear there’s no plans, no commitment, no nothing.

Ironically the CEO of that innovative, problem solving, dynamic capitalist enterprise that is BT Group called the Government position unsustainable.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...d-tariffs.html

So who is going to pony up for all this OB? The taxpayer? To achieve what? To benefit who?

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I think you should take off your blinkers, jf man!

As to who pays, it will be the taxpayer, who else? The internet needs to be available for everyone because it is very quickly becoming a necessity, not only for TV viewing.

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And what happens when millions of people cancel their internet connections to claim free “necessity internet”?

I knew you’d continue to clutch at straws pushing the needless agenda but I didn’t think you’d resort to Corbynism as the answer to achieve it.

A multi-billion pound answer as a solution to a problem we invent. :rofl:

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1683041514

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...uk-households/

"suggests"…

61% of 67% (41%) is not a "majority of the population"…

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I know it’s not, Hugh, but I can’t remember where I saw that statement. It was a newspaper, I think.

Nevertheless, the research carried out on this and other sites show the popularity of streaming in no uncertain terms.

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And in a binary world that might be relevant.

Odd how you’ve went from “freeview over IP” back to solely streaming and the end of linear television. Perhaps why nobody is in any rush!

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Have you got any evidence that it’s not true?

https://www.nationalgrideso.com/news...ectricity-grid

A significant amount of planning goes into the power grid and keeping the lights on. Would the networks cope with an effective doubling of consumption in terms of hours, but all of those set piece “live” events being streamed instead of live on terrestrial, satellite or cable television? What makes you think the broadband networks have the capacity to move around that much data?

Again the evidence from the pandemic shows OFCOM working with the gaming industry to ensure large downloads weren’t released at peak times causing spikes and capacity issues.

Proposal, considered, may and if.

The thing is, OB, nobody says these are insurmountable challenges. What we don’t believe is that anyone will devote the time, money or effort required given the significant commercial interests at sake.

If it’s not a desirable outcome - from your own point of view - why are you wasting time consistently parroting the same message against the overwhelming evidence and views of almost everyone else on the forum - some of whom have expertise in either the television or telecommunications industry!

I’m entertained that Freeview over IP has gone from the solution to undesirable in a mere few hours.

Aside from being not true, a not insignificant amount of television consumption remains live and linear broadcast. And before you throw around accusations of not being able to see the wood from the trees I’m currently streaming Arsenal v Chelsea from a legitimate subscription to overseas broadcaster. But I can objectively look at the whole marketplace and see not everyone would do the same as me. 50 seconds behind live according to my bookmaker of choice for those rare occasions I might place a small wager.

Nobody wants to watch live sport and hear their neighbour cheer a goal almost a full minute ahead of them. Or have to avoid social media for the duration.

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I’m curious, though pleased, that you’re so willing to undermine your own argument in this way. This point was sourced at the time, and is easy to source now as plenty of research is ongoing.

Electricity usage by information technologies was around 2,000 terawatt-hours in 2010; by most estimates it will exceed 8,000 terawatt-hours by the end of this decade. That’s around 20% of global electricity consumption. The worst case estimate is up to 50%.

If you think that driving TV broadcast infrastructure onto data networks won’t have a significant impact on the national grid, I’d love some of what you’re smoking.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...14629618301051

I wish you would.

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Also

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...levision-3.pdf

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1683066506

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It’s not my idea or solution. I merely pointed out what was being considered.

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The point I was making was that you were putting forward a reason why extensive streaming couldn’t happen. I know you sourced the article, but as usual you just cannot see that these problems can be overcome.

And, of course, we are overcoming it, aren’t we?

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Source?

The actual link you posted doesn’t support your assertion.

Nobody disputes problems can be overcome.

They question how rational it is to invent them then overcome them, with little/no commercial interest in doing so, as well as the political cost of inconveniencing millions of people for no objective public good merely to satisfy one lone poster on a niche internet forum.

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True. However, I don’t see how that is relevant when all the broadcasters are being pointed in the direction of broadcast by IP.

In fact, the BBC has now been instructed by OFCOM to plan for just that, as I reported in an earlier post.

And the problems relating to electricity supply that Chris reported a few years ago have been overcome already, haven’t they?

I guess if you lack the imagination, it is pointless discussing the future with you guys, although I think a lot of forum members would love to discuss it if there was less hostility and cynicism on here to any discussion on the subject of what the future may have in store.

Such a pity.

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No it’s not…

You stated What El Gov is considering

Two completely different things…

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You have provided no evidence to support this assertion.

Also, you seem to confuse "lack the imagination" with "realistic risk assessment", just like you confuse "hostility and cynicism" with "Wah, Wah, why won’t you just agree with me!"…

Such a pity ;)

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Actually, it is the Labour Party’s pledge to introduce free broadband if and when it wins the election. Unless of course they change their minds again.

https://labour.org.uk/press/british-...dband-for-all/

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[/COLOR] Despite the exponential increase in the use of on demand, I see no outages….do you? And the government continues to press ahead with its objectives.

All the arguments being put up in this forum as to why things can’t be done just seem to magically fade away, don’t they? :walk:

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And of course there’s a massive difference between a polite nudge from the regulator and Freeview closing by 2033.

Have they? Electricity supply is much more complex than simply putting power in one side and out the other. Just ask our Prime Minister who recently had to upgrade part of his local area just for a mere swimming pool.

I’ll not pretend to know but Chris and Hugh have both offered insight on the matter.

Policy delivery and market regulation are about much more than hopes and dreams, OB.

As for the future I’ve only ever disputed your assertion on speed (unrealistic) and linear broadcasting/viewing reducing to actually zero as opposed to a significantly reduced presence. And much of that delivered online.

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I think you are getting desperate now, jfman. Broadcasters are unlikely to be able to use the transmitters for broadcast beyond 2035, and that’s why Ofcom, nudged by the government, is telling the Beeb to get its act together.

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Source?

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Will it though ????

The article actually says Now TV is performing very well.

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So, not the Government then?

You are like a man walking through a minefield, asserting there is no problem because you haven't stepped on a mine yet...

The links we posted show that streaming uses almost twice the power requirements of DTT - whilst the Utilities may be planning to try to meet this requirement, what happens if we have a re-occurrence of the recent energy crisis? (let me guess - "business will take care of it"...).

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On that, I acknowledge that linear channels may still be available on IP, and it’s certainly an option the broadcasters can take. My argument has been that they are unlikely to take that option by choice because it’s more trouble than it’s worth, but obviously if the government or the regulator says they must provide linear, they will have to comply.

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Source?

We don't need no steenkin' source!!!

Business, or Government, or Labour, or something something gazpacho mumble mumble will sort it out - why do you need to be so negative?

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Look, Hugh, I remember reading it somewhere, but yes, it was the Opposition, not the government that put it forward.

And incidentally, if the overwhelming number of posts in your current affairs section prove to be correct and Labour win the next election, they will be the government, won’t they?

And by the way, if the existing government wasn’t reassured about the electricity supply issue, why would it be pressing ahead with broadcast by IP?

I’m not doubting the power requirements Chris has alluded to, but the government don’t seem bothered, do they?

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Pathetic.

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Have you seen Peacock in the USA? 40 odd linear channels to complement it’s streaming offering. You’ve never had any supporting evidence for your assertion that there’s some meaningful unknown cost of maintaining a linear presence.

No Government or regulatory requirement needed.

Even then you are asking us to believe the soon to be former Government, OFCOM and the mobile networks are hatching a plan to switch off television as we know it in a mere 12 years and nobody will publicly admit it?

That’s faking the moon landings stuff.

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I didn’t think you could have less credibility but holding up a Corbyn manifesto commitment up 4 years after he lost the election and was replaced is quite an accomplishment.

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Broadcast TV will not be supported going forward, You will not get Broadcast TV over a stream box.

For all new VM FTTP (and I mean XGSPON not RFoG) only TV via a stream box will be supported.

As VM turns off it's HFC Network and converts to XGSPON, the ability to receive broadcast will disappear.

Timescales are sketchy but within 10 years.

I can't speak for Sky, but they are on the same pathway.

It's the way the industry is going.

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What do you mean by broadcast TV?

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Thank you, Pierre. They know this, but they have to play out this silly game every time the subject is mentioned.

I think I’ll pursue this elsewhere in future, where people can have a sensible conversation without having to tolerate wind-up merchants.

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Broadcast TV received through the aerial from your local transmitter.

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Confused me because you broadcast over the internet too by definition

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OB’s definitions change with the time of day. You’re not alone in finding it hard to follow exactly what he’s talking about at any given moment.

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Strange - a couple of hours ago you posted

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Disney+ not going well for Disney?

‘Dancing With The Stars’ to Move Back To ABC From Disney+

https://deadline.com/2023/05/dancing...bc-1235353662/

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Effectively undoing Bob Chapek move , would probably made more sense to move to Hulu in the US anyway.

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I think the issue is that even in the US many people will not subscribe just for crap.

A lot of people watch a lot of rubbish on BBC and ITV because it is top of the list and doesn't cost extra.

Move Ant & Dec to ITVX Premium and most people will not follow.

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But some insist online is the future :)

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I know, but that’s how they are referring to it in the media. Same as linear TV is commonly the label attached to the scheduled programming channels you receive, but the pedants want to muddy the waters by constantly drawing attention to the technical terminology.

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In CATV world DTV Broadcast signals are sent across Virgin Media's Network from their centre in Langley to your 360 box and you can access the channels through the EPG on your box.

Likewise Sky, via your dish.

Eventually, these will end.

Similarly, STBs with Hard Drives will go the same way as VHS & DVD

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You are confusing premium streamers with the free ones.

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No, broadcast is a one way transfer of signals from say a Transmitter, satellite or other centralised point, to many receivers.

Streaming is a one to one, two way connection.

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Linear TV/Scheduled programming, however you want to frame it. Will ultimately wither away. Don't know the time scales but it is the natural progression.

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No, OB. People are asking you to clarify your definitions because you insist upon moving the goalposts.

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Who can forget this…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1615

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It’s the usual suspects on here who feign confusion. Most people know exactly what I am saying.

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Thank you, Donald Trump…

"Most people"…:rolleyes:

That’s an assumption, not a fact - you know what they say about assumptions…

You are projecting your beliefs on to others without supporting evidence.

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Sky has revised its Sky Stream minimum speeds up from 10Mbps to 25Mbps for HD viewing and from 25Mbps to 30Mbps to watch 4K content

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The streaming bubble continues to deflate...
https://www.ft.com/content/ee203df2-...6-80b629dd81da