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Why don't you suggest to the UK government that they make information available in a multitude of languages?

Oh, wait......

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Might be an even better idea if people learned English before they got here.

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Hi Tommy !!!!! :Peaceman:

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That's good because I have a box of cutlery with a 25 year warranty in the cupboard. I'm sorted.

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And your children?

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I only stepped away from the thread for an hour and what the smeg are we talking about now? :erm:

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Pretty sure when I was in the RAF we owned our planes and ancillary bang-stuff...

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:D:D:D

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How a bunch of Capitalists want to impose Socialism on everyone...

Do keep up :D

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If you look at the intensity of the cases in London and the South East it does add to the suggestion this spike is caused by the new variant. It's awful: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

They've had to add a new colour so high are the cases and you can how it's bled into the surrounding regions.

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It has to be said the economies of scale that could be had from only developing one style of cutlery are quite appealing.

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Fork off, Commie! :D

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My dad has been out 7 times since early March



1. to my sister for a BBQ which was allowed at the time after the first lock down.
2. to see my mum in a nursing home, outside and no contact (3 months after last seeing her)
3. To see my mum on their 54th wedding anniversary at the nursing homes same as before.
4. Mums Birthday as above.
5. see Dr for an important annual check.
6 Flu jab.
7. My mums funeral.


I only leave to do food shopping, I did go to my shopping centre briefly when open, but got angry ant the lack of people wearing masks, so I now use Amazon and will do for the foreseeable future.

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Ah, the British Cutlery Board. Leading to the creation of the National Union of Cutlery Workers. Leading to some scruffy trot orchestrating national wildcat strikes from the box room of his council house. Next thing you know there’ll be rota cuts in cutlery supply and we’ll all be eating with our fingers on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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There may be a few who already do this.:D

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Hope we don't get soup on Tuesday . . . :shocked:

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Just tip the bowl up and slurp, Carth.;)

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Who pays for the light bulbs :D

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1608585007

https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1...762028544?s=21

(Joel Hills is the ITV News Business & Economics Editor)

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Do they think he goes out and counts them ?

He obviously will rely on information given to him, which presumably was 174 at the time.

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Jesus, only been away a day. I prescribe tin foil hats for everyone, tout suite

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One hopes they're of a better quality than the usual Christmas hats we're 'forced' to wear, they split when I try to get them on . . .



. . . go on, go for it . . . I can take being called a big head :D

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If you insist on something it's probably a good idea to be right, saves you looking an ass

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I am completely confused by the direction this thread is taking. I suspect everyone is punch drunk.:erm:

So now in tier 4 which looks and feels like when we were in lockdown in March.I suspect that everyone is going to be joining us very,very soon.

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I think we will all be moved up on the 30th to tier 4

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They usually give 48 hours' notice.

The next announcement I believe is scheduled for the 30th December itself.

So they could say Tier 4 from midnight on New Year's day if they keep to the 30th as the announcement date.

Or they could make the announcement earlier and close before the 31st to reduce socialising on New Year's Eve.

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I think the journalist is pointing out the discrepancy between BoJo’s statement and reality, rather than stating BoJo is lying.

Isn’t that a journalist’s job, to report discrepancies?

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Of course the journalist investigated possible reasons.:rolleyes:Eg A surge of European drivers trying to get home for Xmas.
500 is a suspiciously round number. 174 sounds like an actual count.

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Now they’ve just got red lights all around ...

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I thought their job was to make up stuff, and then call it "News".

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So much for social distancing :(


Antarctica news: Covid strikes Antarctica as it spreads to EVERY continent in world

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...pread-2020-evg

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Glad we left that shambles.

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Is there a secondary source for that claim in the Sun? The reference to declined doses in the EU I can find is this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idCNL8N2IW4G4
So they went for 200 million with an option for another 100 million at the same price
And that lines up to this report from a month before:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...pfizer-vaccine

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What are the odds the Macron thing is about fishing rights?

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Too expensive, slighting the French, who cares? What’s important is that we didn’t listen to the Euro-loons who thought we should be in the EU procurement scheme because, well, it’s the EU so it’s obviously better ...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1608637764

Screencap from Guido:

https://order-order.com/2020/12/21/b...ine-covidiots/

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It's definitely politically motivated.

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Yes, as the UK government will and have.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1777601.html

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No they have not. I do not agree their response to the pandemic has been robust as it should have been, but your ridiculous assertion that they have willingly let people die of Covid-19 at any cost, is without total merit.

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I think we have pretty much done the opposite - spent an absolute fortune on lockdowns to avoid deaths, killing off many business's in the process.

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BREAKING: Wales is now the highest increase of Covid-19 infection rates per Capita, in the World!

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/s...196231/photo/1

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Obviously they need to ban more alcohol and clothing items.

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Perhaps the sheep are spreading it. :D

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https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_20_2520

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Misrepresentation. There was a big dump of figures.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...nance-12165127

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Holy cow, that's a lot of trucks - https://news.sky.com/video/brexit-lo...ypark-12169972

Let's hope this can be cleared so these poor drivers can get home soon

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You have to worry about what they are doing about the toilet. Numbers ones is dealable with, number twos a different ball game....

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There are strategically placed bushes.

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I can only see 174. ;)

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No food or drink should limit that :D

Did wonder though if there were any big buildings full of beds that are empty right now to put them up in. Maybe in the Excel Centre?

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good to see all those Lockdowns paying dvidends

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I’m likewise curious to see the evidence that HMG has based its vaccine procurement policy on the likely cost.

As far as I can see, the principal components of the portfolio the government pre-ordered are an mRNA vaccine by Pfizer-BioNTech and a viral vector vaccine by Oxford-AstraZeneca. The former is the riskier because it is novel technology so is more expensive (most expensive of the lot in fact). The alternative mRNA vaccine is produced by Moderna and is somewhat cheaper, however it is a bigger risk because Moderna has never produced a vaccine before now.

The UK government procurement strategy appears to have been based on calculating risk and investing in a way that hedges against that risk. Despite the portfolio being biased towards the much cheaper Oxford vaccine, if the overall strategy had been driven by cost you would have expected them to lay their riskier bet with the cheaper Moderna mRNA vaccine as the EU did, rather than Pfizer.

It’s worth noting, on the subject of the Moderna vaccine, that when they announced their excellent trial results a few days after Pfizer, there was much shrill squealing from the usual suspects at how the EU had preordered that one and we hadn’t. To date, the Moderna vaccine has only been approved in the USA (at the end of last week). It won’t be approved in the EU before 6 January. The Pfizer vaccine was approved in the EU yesterday - almost 3 weeks behind the UK. Something that should be repeated loudly and often.

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They were already high.
Link
The previous figures made it look like the rates were dropping, when they weren't really.
Wales only.

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Glasgow is still available for use if required. At present it’s being used as a training hub and for outpatient clinics.

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l don't think they are using them because they simply don't have the enough available trained staff to staff them.

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Given the draconian measures taken by the gov one would imagine they are full to bursting, but we all know they aren't.

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Bolleaux.

They’re not using them because the regular hospitals haven’t exceeded capacity. The Nightingales are for emergency use if covid cases start overwhelming regular ICU provision. Nobody wants to start lining patients up in a conference centre unless they have to.

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Actually some local Kent Sikhs and the Kent Police are about to deliver them some cooked hot meals and drinks.

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Just to set the mood . . I wonder if the figure quoted is obtained in a similar fashion to the 'died within 28 days of a positive test' that we keep seeing?

for example, a chap in hospital with gallstones, that has tested positive yet is asymptomatic, could very easily be classed as a hospital patient 'with Covid'

not that I'm at all suggesting 'data' is being used in such a way to support the ongoing frenzy ;)

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Very kind of them, and the poor sods must stink by now stuck in a small space with no facilities.

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So this is bolleaux then..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tage-jlr26p6kf

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Nope, your earlier post is bolleaux.

The Times’ claim that “some may never fully open because of staff shortage” is rather different to yours, “l don't think they are using them because they simply don't have the available trained staff to staff them,” though I suspect it too is wide of the mark.

It’s blindingly obvious that these places couldn’t operate at full capacity based on existing NHS human resource. Where exactly would all those people be working right now? If things got so bad that the Nightingales got anywhere near busy we would be right into civil contingencies territory, and probably deploying every field medic in the armed forces to help out.

The answer to Seph’s question is that they have been used as required, and in the case of Glasgow at least, it is being used to train staff and to provide outpatient services away from regular hospitals.

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As I answered the same question 12 days ago in this thread... ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...h#post36061681

If the patient has COVID but is asymptomatic, they are still a COVID patient...

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Not convinced I want to see den’s theory tested.

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An article published to-day about the current status of our Nightingale Hospitals.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-standby.html

The Manchester Nightingale has 750 beds, but unlike the first Nightingale hospital, which opened in London, it was never designed to take patients with covid-19 requiring critical care and was always earmarked to deal with non-covid related patients, mainly those who were in the process of being discharged and needing services such as therapy and social care assessments.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj....e%20covid%2D19.

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Yep, fudged figures as a scare tactic then :Yes:

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The only way they can staff them is to take staff from Hospitals, which leads to other services stopping. Thats if they can get volunteers to work in a Covid hospital.

I'm sure the Govt. has worked all this out and have a masterplan. Maybe its by allowing thousands of nursing vacancies over the past few year or Prattcocks recent announcement to delay any pay rise for NHS staff. Its a cunning plan....

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BBC’s Katya Adler has just reported this

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:D

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The reason the UK seems to have more cases of this newer variant, is simply because we're the ones looking for newer variants in the first place.
Other countries have this variant, and possibly had it before the UK, as they weren't looking for new variants.
The surges in countries such as Germany and France, might possibly be due to this variant.

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I think you may be correct there.

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In Scotland apparently 15% is the new variant so it sounds like the old one is capable of surging all by itself.

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When you asked this question last month, I replied

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...y#post36060237



---------- Post added at 19:54 ---------- Previous post was at 19:51 ----------

Not really - patients can be classified with multiple medical classifications at the same time; they don’t double count the different classifications for each patient.

If you have COVID, you’re a COVID patient,

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Out of interest. Who is taking vitamin D?

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Is this a cracker joke? :D

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I am, and have been for some time, shortly after the pandemic hit the U.K.

I watched a video in which a doctor explained ( layman paraphrasing) that vitD strengthens the cell walls/ defences preventing the virus from penetrating the cell.

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Yup. We're one of the best countries in the world for genomic sequencing. I believe for COVID-19 we've sequenced dramatically more than any other country aside from Denmark.

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A witch doctor???

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng1...66142026720709

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We take it in Autumn/Winter, but not for COVID.

https://www.nice.org.uk/news/article...e-on-vitamin-d Having said that, the NHS recommend that those at high risk (clinically extremely vulnerable) from coronavirus get Vitamin D supplements.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...d-supplements/

From the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4912

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Don’t follow you??

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Yep I do as I'm mainly housebound and have Crohn's Disease, so basically a requirement.

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Been taking a hux d3 20000u capsule once a fortnight for about 2 years.

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Nicola Sturgeon issues grovelling apology after she's caught breaking Covid rules in pub


Pictures published by The Scottish Sun show the nationalist politician speaking to several elderly people in a pub without wearing a face mask.


According to Schedule 7 of Scotland’s Health Protection (coronavirus) regulations it is a “requirement to wear face coverings in certain indoor places” such as pubs and restaurants.

The only exception is if you are “seated at a table” which the first minister was not.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/135541...-covid-breach/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...strictions-ont

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Been taking them religiously ever since my trapeziectomy. I also try to get out in the sunshine whenever possible especially in the winter.

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There's talk of 'covid passports'.

Who else thinks that the requirement to provide covid free status or proof of having had the vaccination will be used as an opportunity/excuse (depending on your point of view!) to introduce biometric ID cards?

Edit: Mods: Should this be put in a new thread??

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Not by this government - there are too many Tory MPs with libertarian leanings. If they do this at all they’ll only get it through the Commons with a sunset clause. They know it’s controversial which is why they’re still denying they’ll do it, even though the civil service has been asked to come up with ways it could be done.

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If there’s evidence that it will support reopening the economy/international travel I’m sure they’ll change their minds.

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Yes, I think a time-limited covid passport is very much on the cards. But I don’t think it will lead to a permanent biometric national ID card as Richard fears.

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If it happened expect a roaring trade in fakes.

It's bad enough with the spammers selling fake passports, IELTS, driving licences etc.

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I'm taking it and have been for almost 10 years, reccommended by my Consultant, due to my compromised immune system. At the time he told me it wasn't something the NHS thought neccessary but current NHS guidelines seem to have born out his belief that it was needed for more than just more than healthy bones and teeth.

Bet Big Pharma are grinding their collective teeth at their missing out on profits, shame that most trials are financed by them and without a potential profit any trials would probably have to be carried out by people who don't have the funds.

For anyone interested here's an article that explains why Vitamin D is worth taking.

https://healthinsightuk.org/2020/10/...covid-fighter/

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The French don't know how to keep quiet;)

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Ah, so you're French ! Explains all mon ami ;)

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i was born in Cleethorpes but my family roots are more Nordic
min venn;)

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Pictures on link above.

Birmingham's NEC hospital is also empty.

All those £millions spent yet the NHS has no backup facities in the hotspots of the current flareup.