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papa smurf 12-12-2020 11:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062029)
I would be interested to know how many Republicans in the US geninely feel the election is fraudulent and those Republicans who don't but are just trying it on.
According to a recent Economist/YouGov Poll, three-quarters (75%) of registered voters think voter fraud occurred during the 2020 presidential election.

Two in five registered voters think enough voter fraud occurred in this election to influence the outcome

https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...ccurred-2020-p

Hugh 12-12-2020 11:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36062031)
According to a recent Economist/YouGov Poll, three-quarters (75%) of registered voters think voter fraud occurred during the 2020 presidential election.

Two in five registered voters think enough voter fraud occurred in this election to influence the outcome

https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...ccurred-2020-p
81% of the side that lost thought there was enough fraud to influence the outcome...

Mick 12-12-2020 12:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36062024)
This whole thing has been American institutions holding up when the politicians let them down. It's depressing how many Republicans signed onto an attempt to overturn an election after they couldn't prove fraud.
The election results are not legitimate. Fraud occurred on a massive scale, Trump was winning on the night of the election results, then suddenly, all key States stopped counting, then between 3 and 4am hundreds of thousands of ballots all went for Biden, it is statistically impossible unless cheating and most of those ballots just had votes for the presidency, ballots contain choices for House of Representatives and the Senate. None of these ballots had choices for these houses.

Republicans gained substantially in the House of Representatives, but lost the presidency, makes no fecking sense, but does if cheating is involved. I will never accept Biden’s win as legitimate, like I said yesterday, so many of the never Trumpers, even on here never accepted Trumps win, well I can play that ****ing game too. The pathetic ******* Democrats can reap what they sow, they started this bullshit in 2016, but just watch Biden wreck everything up on the foreign stage, with wars starting again in the Middle East and China increasing its Dominance, given how friendly Biden is with the CCP.

jfman 12-12-2020 13:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Mick using the logic that the House results don't match the Presidential one is completely illogical. There's plenty of times throughout history where a President has been elected but the opposing party has won races down the ballot. Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush all had Democratic Houses.

Where people aren't completely polarised by conspiracy theories and nationalist propaganda there's a percentage of people who routinely split their vote in the United States viewing that as an important check and balance within the system. These numbers may not be massive, but they don't need to be. They just need to swing enough races in the middle.

Not getting the result you want ≠ a fix.

Mick 12-12-2020 13:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36062043)
Mick using the logic that the House results don't match the Presidential one is completely illogical. There's plenty of times throughout history where a President has been elected but the opposing party has won races down the ballot. Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush all had Democratic Houses.

Where people aren't completely polarised by conspiracy theories and nationalist propaganda there's a percentage of people who routinely split their vote in the United States viewing that as an important check and balance within the system. These numbers may not be massive, but they don't need to be. They just need to swing enough races in the middle.

Not getting the result you want ≠ a fix.
Oh I agree, but I’m playing by the never Trumpers rule book now.

denphone 12-12-2020 13:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
We should all take comfort that the Supreme Court judges including all three of President Trump’s picks have closed the book on this nonsense.

Mick 12-12-2020 15:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36062046)
We should all take comfort that the Supreme Court judges including all three of President Trump’s picks have closed the book on this nonsense.
Any candidate has the right to question voter integrity. So it is not nonsense. Mail in ballots are prone to fraud.

Secondly, Supreme Court has not shut the book completely, plus the decision was not unanimous, two justices dissented saying the case should be heard, the SC refused to touch the case because Texas suit joined on by other multiple States, lacked “standing”.

Stephen 12-12-2020 15:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Thing is Trump etc can bleat on all they want about voter fraud and such, however everything they claim happened. Didn't. There simply is no hard evidence to support any such claim.

Trump has been filling peoples heads with so much CT nonsense that a lot of them believe it to be true.

BenMcr 12-12-2020 15:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062047)
Secondly, Supreme Court has not shut the book completely, plus the decision was not unanimous, two justices dissented saying the case should be heard, the SC refused to touch the case because Texas suit joined on by other multiple States, lacked “standing”.
The dissent was a procedural matter as to whether the Supreme Court is allowed to deny hearing the case as it came from a State, as that is within the 'Original Juristiction' of the Supreme Court.

The Judges were 9-0 that the requested relief asked for in the case wasn't to be granted even if the case had been heard:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sco...-election-suit
Quote:
Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said they would have heard the case -- without granting other relief, like issuing an injunction on electoral proceedings. They added that they expressed "no view on any other issue."
So it is possible that other cases could be escalated to the Supreme Court, but they would have to make it through all the lower courts first, which so far none have due to lack of standing or evidence.

Hugh 12-12-2020 16:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062047)
Any candidate has the right to question voter integrity. So it is not nonsense. Mail in ballots are prone to fraud.

Secondly, Supreme Court has not shut the book completely, plus the decision was not unanimous, two justices dissented saying the case should be heard, the SC refused to touch the case because Texas suit joined on by other multiple States, lacked “standing”.
This has been shown not to be true - the biggest, and most recent, Mail in vote fraud was bay a Republican in North Carolina in 2018.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353404
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Numerous national and state-level studies have shown that although there have been isolated cases, electoral fraud is very rare.

There have been a few, well-publicised cases, such as in the 2018 North Carolina primary, which was re-run after a consultant for the Republican candidate tampered with voting papers.

But the rate of voting fraud overall in the US is less than 0.0009%*, according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice.

And Federal Election Commission head Ellen Weintraub has said: "There's simply no basis for the conspiracy theory that voting by mail causes fraud."

*that equates to 2547 votes (273 million X 0.0009%)

Mick 12-12-2020 16:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Mail in ballots are prone to fraud and I’m not changing my stance on this fact.

---------- Post added at 16:11 ---------- Previous post was at 16:09 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36062050)
The dissent was a procedural matter as to whether the Supreme Court is allowed to deny hearing the case as it came from a State, as that is within the 'Original Juristiction' of the Supreme Court.

The Judges were 9-0 that the requested relief asked for in the case wasn't to be granted even if the case had been heard:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sco...-election-suit


So it is possible that other cases could be escalated to the Supreme Court, but they would have to make it through all the lower courts first, which so far none have due to lack of standing or evidence.
So as I said, the SC have not completely shut the door on this election as of yet.

BenMcr 12-12-2020 16:48
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062052)
So as I said, the SC have not completely shut the door on this election as of yet.
No court ever shuts the door to anything as far as I'm aware. They rule on each case presented and decide on that basis.

Outside of cases brought by US States, the Supreme Court is review body. All cases have to have gone through the lower courts first and all evidence has to be presented to those lower courts - the Supreme Court does not accept new evidence.

So far there have been 58 cases brought by the Trump campaign and associates for various claims and in various state and federal courts regarding the 2020 US election. 57 of them have been lost including the Texas State case, and Mike Kelly case application to the Supreme Court.

The one case that was one was around a deadline for ID proof for a small number of ballots - that weren't in the final count of that state anyway.

Damien 12-12-2020 17:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062052)

So as I said, the SC have not completely shut the door on this election as of yet.
It seems they've shut the door on changing the election.

The two judges which said they should hear the case still said they wouldn't throw out votes. In other words, even if the case was heard and won the remedy would be that Pennsylvania would have to change their processes for next time.

Even if they found the state had acted improperly in allowing mailing in ballots it would have been a matter of technicality and so throwing out the votes of every person in the state would be too extreme a measure. The Republicans, in court, were not arguing these votes were not genuine and actual votes but that the way the election was run was invalid. Not enough to justify throwing legitimate votes in the bin.

Now if the Republicans could prove that these votes were fraudulent then they might have a case but they can't and, again in court, have not alleged that.

So unless Trump has something else the Supreme Court does not appear to be on course to overturn the election.

Trump's only options are the House rebelling against the EC or a literal military coup.

GrimUpNorth 12-12-2020 20:03
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062052)
Mail in ballots are prone to fraud and I’m not changing my stance on this fact.
Interesting, 8.5 million postal votes were issued (18.4% of the electorate) for the 2016 Brexit referendum so if they're that prone to fraud maybe your team lost after all and we shouldn't have left or is it only fraudulent if your side doesn't win?

Mad Max 12-12-2020 20:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062076)
Interesting, 8.5 million postal votes were issued (18.4% of the electorate) for the 2016 Brexit referendum so if they're that prone to fraud maybe your team lost after all and we shouldn't have left or is it only fraudulent if your side doesn't win?


lmfao

Mr K 12-12-2020 20:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36062079)
lmfao
An erudite and succinctly put point of view as always.

BenMcr 12-12-2020 20:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Trump loses another case. Judge agreed he had standing. He lost on the merits of the case. The Judge was appointed by Trump.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...tion-lawsuits/

Quote:
Soon-to-be-former President Donald Trump has time and again touted his stacking of the judiciary with hundreds of lifetime appointments, but those judges have resoundingly rejected meritless post-election lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies. That happened again in Wisconsin federal court.

“This is an extraordinary case,” U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig wrote in a 23-page ruling on Saturday. “A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred. This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.”

“In his reply brief, plaintiff ‘asks that the Rule of Law be followed,'” Ludwig observed.

“It has been,” he concluded.

Mad Max 12-12-2020 20:18
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062080)
An erudite and succinctly put point of view as always.
You're allowed a laugh occasionally, unlike yourself who is the heart and soul of every party...;)

Paul 12-12-2020 20:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062076)
Interesting, 8.5 million postal votes were issued (18.4% of the electorate) for the 2016 Brexit referendum so if they're that prone to fraud maybe your team lost after all and we shouldn't have left or is it only fraudulent if your side doesn't win?
Equally, they could all have been fraudulant remain votes, so in reality leave won by far more, so no real point here, or anything interesting.

Mr K 12-12-2020 20:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36062082)
You're allowed a laugh occasionally, unlike yourself who is the heart and soul of every party...;)
Well done, that was a complete sentence !

Keep it up. :tu:
.

Mad Max 12-12-2020 20:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062085)
Well done, that was a complete sentence !

Keep it up. :tu:
.

No wasted words.

jfman 12-12-2020 20:40
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36062084)
Equally, they could all have been fraudulant remain votes, so in reality leave won by far more, so no real point here, or anything interesting.
Well not really. Either postal voting is secure or it isn’t. And that has precarious implications for all democratic events if not.

I know this forum takes a dim view of anything questioning the 2016 referendum so I’ll leave it there.

Paul 12-12-2020 20:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36062093)
Well not really.
Yes, really. Try reading all of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36062093)
I know this forum takes a dim view of anything questioning the 2016 referendum so I’ll leave it there.
Wise choice.

Mad Max 12-12-2020 20:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062080)
An erudite and succinctly put point of view as always.

It's often better than reams of rubbish posted by you.;)

jfman 12-12-2020 20:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36062096)
Yes, really. Try reading all of it.
I did read it all. As Mick says it’s inherently improbable that 100% of any section of votes would ever swing one way. So a hypothetical assumption on that basis would be ridiculous.

1andrew1 12-12-2020 21:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062076)
Interesting, 8.5 million postal votes were issued (18.4% of the electorate) for the 2016 Brexit referendum so if they're that prone to fraud maybe your team lost after all and we shouldn't have left or is it only fraudulent if your side doesn't win?
Maybe Mick and others have got a point about postal votes after all. Is Gina Miller free over the next couple of weeks? :D

Dave42 13-12-2020 02:07
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Trump Rants About Getting 'Screwed' By Supreme Court In Twitter Meltdown

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b690d5d3045160

oh the nasty supreme court voted again Trump

Mick 13-12-2020 07:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062076)
Interesting, 8.5 million postal votes were issued (18.4% of the electorate) for the 2016 Brexit referendum so if they're that prone to fraud maybe your team lost after all and we shouldn't have left or is it only fraudulent if your side doesn't win?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36062084)
Equally, they could all have been fraudulant remain votes, so in reality leave won by far more, so no real point here, or anything interesting.
What ^ he said.

---------- Post added at 07:35 ---------- Previous post was at 07:33 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36062093)
Well not really. Either postal voting is secure or it isn’t. And that has precarious implications for all democratic events if not.

I know this forum takes a dim view of anything questioning the 2016 referendum so I’ll leave it there.
So much of a dim view that there are several multiple Brexit threads in existence, what further bullshit you spout. :rolleyes:

GrimUpNorth 13-12-2020 08:29
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062141)
What ^ he said.
As I suggested then - it's only fraudulent if it doesn't go your way.

1andrew1 13-12-2020 09:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062143)
As I suggested then - it's only fraudulent if it doesn't go your way.
Just like VAR. :D

---------- Post added at 09:58 ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 ----------

I do hope Hunter Biden is making a donation to these court challenges. To keep his name from the headlines right now is more than he could ever have hoped. ;)

Mick 13-12-2020 11:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36062143)
As I suggested then - it's only fraudulent if it doesn't go your way.
But you were being obtuse by claiming it was only leave votes that were fraudulent. It’s a moot point because there several other democratic processes that took place, all leaning for Brexit. Lib Dem’s stood on a Stop Brexit/Bollocks to Brexit Mantra, if the country really did not want to leave, then why did Lib Dem’s lose MPs and the Tories win a landslide who stood on a “Get Brexit Done” platform?

Mr K 13-12-2020 11:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36062157)
But you were being obtuse by claiming it was only leave votes that were fraudulent. It’s a moot point because there several other democratic processes that took place, all leaning for Brexit. Lib Dem’s stood on a Stop Brexit/Bollocks to Brexit Mantra, if the country really did not want to leave, then why did Lib Dem’s lose MPs?
In the same way Trump and Republucans are being obtuse by only suggesting fraud in states they lost?! It was Trump who suggested his supporters vote twice.
Mr Grim makes an excellent point on the double standards that are being applied by some.

Anyway no fraud has been found, and they've looked ever so hard. Even.making some up hasn't worked.
So goodbye Donald. Enjoy the golf between court appearances ...

Maggy 13-12-2020 13:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Let's please keep to the topic of US Election 2020

Dave42 14-12-2020 22:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Joe Biden's presidential victory confirmed by electoral college votes - as Trump's attorney general set to leave

https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden...votes-12161733

it is officially over :)

Paul 14-12-2020 23:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Not quite ... :)

Quote:
The results of the voting process will be sent to Washington DC and formally counted in a joint session of Congress on 6 January presided over by Vice-President Mike Pence.

That will pave the way for Joe Biden to be sworn in as president on 20 January.

Hugh 15-12-2020 12:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...960_story.html

Quote:
MOSCOW — More than a month later than most world leaders, Russia's President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday congratulated President-elect Joe Biden for his victory in the election, a delayed recognition that could set the tone for icy relations.

“In his message Vladimir Putin wished the president-elect every success and expressed confidence that Russia and the United States, which bear special responsibility for global security and stability, can, despite their differences, effectively contribute to solving many problems and meeting challenges that the world is facing today,” the Kremlin said in a statement.

It went on to say that Putin relayed to Biden that he is “ready for interaction and contact” and suggested cooperation between the two countries based on “equality and mutual respect.”

Putin was one of the last heads of state to acknowledge Biden’s win; Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador, Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro and North Korea’s Kim Jung Un are other holdouts. The congratulations come after Biden’s victory became more formal on Monday, when 306 electors officially voted for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...01b_story.html
Quote:
William P. Barr to depart as attorney general, Trump announces
Quote:
A senior White House official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter, insisted that Barr resigned of his own accord.

“He was not fired,” the official said.

Hugh 15-12-2020 16:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1608050274

TheDaddy 15-12-2020 19:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36062367)
Traitor

Mr K 20-12-2020 18:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Just when you think he can't get more insane...

Quote:
Donald Trump has reportedly discussed the option of bringing in the military in an effort to rewrite the election result – with senior officials said to have voiced opposition to the plan – as the president searches for options as he refuses to accept his loss.

Michael Flynn, whom Mr Trump recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, apparently suggested the president could impose martial law and use the military to re-run the vote.

Meanwhile, lawyer Sidney Powell, who was booted from his campaign's legal team after pushing unfounded conspiracy theories, has been touted as a potential new special counsel investigating allegations of voter fraud.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1776722.html

1andrew1 20-12-2020 23:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Another claim bites the dust

Quote:
Fox News retracts Smartmatic voting machine fraud claim in staged video

Fox News has taken a further step back from Donald Trump’s baseless allegations of election fraud with a bizarre apparent legal retraction aired during shows hosted by some of the president’s most fervent supporters.

First broadcast on Fox Business on Friday, on Lou Dobbs Tonight, and repeated over the weekend on shows hosted by Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro, the segment was presented as a news interview with election technology expert Eddie Perez.

In the three-minute video, described as “a closer look at claims about Smartmatic”, Perez answers questions posed by an unidentified interviewer about a Florida company that provided voting systems for the November election.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...aim-smartmatic

Dude111 21-12-2020 00:02
I dunno...... I dont know how I feel about Donny but I do think the whole election should be VOIDED because its all fraudulant.......... Very suspicious.......

It sets a bad precident letting this go as is...........

papa smurf 21-12-2020 06:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063073)
I dunno...... I dont know how I feel about Donny but I do think the whole election should be VOIDED because its all fraudulant.......... Very suspicious.......

It sets a bad precident letting this go as is...........
I suspect some British twit will be along soon to tell you that you are wrong.

Sephiroth 21-12-2020 10:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063082)
I suspect some British twit will be along soon to tell you that you are wrong.
I am that twit!

And what's this about Trump threatening martial law to force an election rerun? Beyond pariah.

Chris 21-12-2020 10:34
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063073)
I dunno...... I dont know how I feel about Donny but I do think the whole election should be VOIDED because its all fraudulant.......... Very suspicious.......

It sets a bad precident letting this go as is...........
What proof is there that the election was fraudulent? Every court in your great democracy that has been asked to rule on it has found the election to have been conducted fairly, with due process, and has produced a valid result.

I think a lot of you have lost your collective marbles over this. You think the election was fraudulent just because the sociopath who lost it says so, without any proof.

1andrew1 21-12-2020 12:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063082)
I suspect some British twit will be along soon to tell you that you are wrong.
Trump's sheep will continue to follow him even as he leads them from pasture into pie. ;)

Dude111 22-12-2020 05:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
What proof is there that the election was fraudulent? Every court in your great democracy that has been asked to rule on it has found the election to have been conducted fairly, with due process, and has produced a valid result.
Im not a trump sheep but there was clear election frauid.. They keep the evidence out!! (They dont care and dont want to persue it (Were probably paid off big time))

Pathetic....

denphone 22-12-2020 05:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063261)
Im not a trump sheep but there was clear election frauid.. They keep the evidence out!! (They dont care and dont want to persue it (Were probably paid off big time))

Pathetic....
To have proof there was clear election fraud you need proof and up to now there is simply no proof that there was election fraud.

Made up or unsubstantiated rumours by Donald Trump zealots are no proof of election fraud...

jfman 22-12-2020 06:30
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Not to go all tin foil hat here - do you think the folk getting vaccinated live on TV actually are? What if they fainted afterwards? The reputational risk would be huge.

I say this as someone who did just that after giving a blood sample for a test.

Note I'm not questioning the vaccine - more that they aren't getting vaccinated then or that it's pre-recorded.

heero_yuy 22-12-2020 07:20
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Just saline and grandstanding.

pip08456 22-12-2020 07:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36063098)
What proof is there that the election was fraudulent? Every court in your great democracy that has been asked to rule on it has found the election to have been conducted fairly, with due process, and has produced a valid result.

I think a lot of you have lost your collective marbles over this. You think the election was fraudulent just because the sociopath who lost it says so, without any proof.
Of the 50 odd cases which one was brought as a case of election fraud?

Chris 22-12-2020 09:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I’m pretty sure my post was sufficiently carefully worded, if you’re trying to be pedantic.

Hugh 22-12-2020 09:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Strangely enough, none of the Court Cases alleged fraud, even though that was all they talked about outside Court (probably due to "Duty of Candour", where, if you allege stuff in a courtroom that you cannot back with credible evidence*, you can lose your licence to practice law).

This is why Guiliani said in one of the Court Cases
Quote:
Under questioning from a federal judge in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, Mr. Giuliani made a different admission: “This is not a fraud case,” he said.
*no matter what you see on American TV

Chris 22-12-2020 11:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Correct. However courts were asked to rule on the election in one aspect or another, and every court that was asked to rule on the election, found the election to have been conducted fairly, with due process and produced a valid result.

Which makes it all the more strange that Dude11111!!1 should be coming on here now many weeks later saying he thinks the election was fraudulent despite this allegation never having been supported with any proof (or, indeed, any court ruling).

1andrew1 22-12-2020 11:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063261)
Im not a trump sheep but there was clear election frauid.. They keep the evidence out!! (They dont care and dont want to persue it (Were probably paid off big time))

Pathetic....
How do you know there was clear election fraud?

Why do you chose to believe Trump over the courts of your country...including the Supreme Court?

papa smurf 22-12-2020 11:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063261)
Im not a trump sheep but there was clear election frauid.. They keep the evidence out!! (They dont care and dont want to persue it (Were probably paid off big time))

Pathetic....
Biggest con in history.

denphone 22-12-2020 11:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063286)
Biggest con in history.
If you keep saying that you might actually start to believe what you are saying.;)

Paul 22-12-2020 12:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Dont start with digs at each other.

Mr K 22-12-2020 16:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063286)
Biggest con in history.
Give us the evidence then.....

---------- Post added at 16:02 ---------- Previous post was at 15:27 ----------

Quote:
Donald Trump appears to be turning against his deputy, Mike Pence, reportedly accusing him of “backing away” from his election fight as the vice president prepares to oversee a vote confirming Joe Biden as president-elect when Congress convenes in two weeks time.

The president met with a cabal of congressional Republicans at the White House on Monday to plot a “last stand” against his defeat at the polls, the protest following the failure of more than 50 legal disputes against the result and a total lack of evidence proving that fraud was at play. Mr Trump was branded “essentially sociopathic” on MSNBC last night by ex-GOP speechwriter Peter Wehner over his refusal to concede the loss.

In the latest setback to his doomed appeal, his right-wing media allies, notably Fox News and Newsmax, have been forced to drop their conspiracy theorising on his behalf after receiving a legal threat from Dominion and Smartmatic, manufacturers of voting machines, both of whom deny their devices were manipulated to alter the outcome.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1777471.html

papa smurf 22-12-2020 16:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36063310)
Give us the evidence then.....

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1777471.html
Sadly all of the evidence will have been erased by now, too many officials looked the other way, still the republicans can pull the same trick as the democrats have at the next election, it'll look too suspicious if the judges start accepting challenges after what's just happened in this election.

pip08456 22-12-2020 16:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063318)
Sadly all of the evidence will have been erased by now, too many officials looked the other way, still the republicans can pull the same trick as the democrats have at the next election, it'll look too suspicious if the judges start accepting challenges after what's just happened in this election.
Not so papa.

Quote:
Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, accusing a Republican of pretending to be his dead mom to vote for Trump.

Officials have found a case of a dead person voting.

Bruce Bartman has been charged with unlawful voting and perjury over allegations that he pretended to be his dead mother to cast a ballot in the November election for President Donald Trump in Pennsylvania.
https://www.businessinsider.com/vote...0-12?r=US&IR=T

Also.

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Bartman’s arraignment follows a Republican man in Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, who was charged in October for similarly filling out an absentee ballot application on behalf of his deceased mother.
and

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A registered Republican in Chester County, Pennsylvania, was also charged for casting a ballot in person in the November election, and then returning to his polling place with sunglasses on in an attempt to disguise himself and vote on behalf of his son.
His son is a registered Democrat.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=6fd4d13259bf

papa smurf 22-12-2020 16:45
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36063321)
Lets see how he votes next time.

sorry how she votes.


it's amazing how they can find a couple of republicans cheating but missed the biggest fraud in American history.

Hugh 22-12-2020 16:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://apnews.com/article/fox-newsm...6b0028da78c61c

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Fox, Newsmax shoot down their own aired claims on election

The two-minute Fox segments aired in the form of a question-and-answer session between an offscreen voice and Eddie Perez, a voting technology expert at the nonpartisan Open Source Election Technology Institute.

“I have not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to delete, change or alter anything related to vote tabulations,” Perez said....

...A statement aired by Newsmax anchors on Monday, and also printed on the company website, was much broader and concerned both Smartmatic and Dominion.

In the statement, Newsmax said there were “several facts our viewers and readers should be aware,” among them the lack of a business relationship between the two companies or that Dominion had any ownership relationship with George Soros, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others.

“No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election,” Newsmax said.
You’re right about the biggest fraud, though - well done on pointing that out...

https://www.startribune.com/trump-cu...ers/573432731/
Quote:
Donald Trump will exit the White House as a private citizen next month perched atop a pile of campaign cash unheard-of for an outgoing president, and with few legal limits on how he can spend it.

Deflated by a loss he has yet to acknowledge, Trump has cushioned the blow by coaxing huge sums of money from his loyal supporters — often under dubious pretenses — raising roughly $250 million since Election Day along with the national party.

More than $60 million of that sum has gone to a new political action committee, according to people familiar with the matter, which Trump will control after he leaves office...

... Trump has spent millions of campaign dollars on his own family businesses in the last five years. But new records show an even more intricate intermingling of Trump's political and familial interests than was previously known.

Lara Trump, Trump's daughter-in-law and a senior campaign adviser, served on the board and was named on drafts of the incorporation papers of a limited liability company through which the Trump political operation spent more than $700 million since 2019, according to documents reviewed by the New York Times.

The arrangement has never been disclosed. One of the other board members and signatories in the draft papers of the LLC, American Made Media Consultants, was John Pence, nephew of Vice President Mike Pence and a senior Trump adviser. The LLC has been criticized for purposefully obscuring the ultimate destination of hundreds of millions of dollars of spending.

For Trump, the quarter-billion dollars he and the party raised over six weeks is enough to pay off all of his remaining campaign bills and to fund his fruitless legal challenges and still leave tens of millions of dollars.

Paul 22-12-2020 17:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063286)
Biggest con in history.
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063318)
Sadly all of the evidence will have been erased by now, too many officials looked the other way
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063322)
it's amazing how they can find a couple of republicans cheating but missed the biggest fraud in American history.
I cant quite decide if you are delusional, or simply Trump in disguise :erm:

Chris 22-12-2020 17:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36063328)
I cant quite decide if you are delusional, or simply Trump in disguise :erm:
Or just very bored and reduced to trolling the internet for kicks.

Damien 22-12-2020 17:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Or looking to provoke a reaction. ;)

papa smurf 22-12-2020 17:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36063329)
Or just very bored and reduced to trolling the internet for kicks.
Or I'm putting my opinion into the debate.

Sephiroth 22-12-2020 17:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
... or just having some fun.

Chris 22-12-2020 17:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063331)
Or I'm putting my opinion into the debate.
I believe you to actually be an intelligent individual, which is why I think it very unlikely you really believe any of the fraud conspiracy nonsense still being tweeted by that strangely tinted sociopath in Washington.

Carth 22-12-2020 17:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
. . . or maybe *gasp* he's one of those Russian bot thingies :D

papa smurf 22-12-2020 17:20
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36063332)
... or just having some fun.
No just adding my opinion to the debate, if we all had the same opinion it wouldn't be a debate would it.

Carth 22-12-2020 17:34
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063336)
No just adding my opinion to the debate, if we all had the same opinion it wouldn't be a debate would it.
Nope, it would be a board meeting where nobody dare disagree with the top man :D

Mad Max 22-12-2020 18:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36063345)
Nope, it would be a board meeting where nobody dare disagree with the top man :D
Hugh? :D

Maggy 22-12-2020 20:07
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Topic?

Paul 22-12-2020 21:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36063362)
Topic?
"U.S Election 2020" ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36063356)
Hugh? :D
I took it to mean Trump :angel:

Maggy 23-12-2020 08:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36063383)
"U.S Election 2020" ;)


I took it to mean Trump :angel:
Good! I was beginning to wonder if everyone had forgotten.;)

1andrew1 23-12-2020 10:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36063331)
Or I'm putting my opinion into the debate.
I happily accept you believe what you have posted on here and I believe your viewpoint is shared by a handful of other posters. But that doesn't detract from my disappointment that you've accepted something that flies in the face of all the evidence.

Hugh 23-12-2020 10:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063420)
I happily accept you believe what you have posted on here and I believe your viewpoint is shared by a handful of other posters. But that doesn't detract from my disappointment that you've accepted something that flies in the face of all the evidence.
I think you’ll find Papa is used to people being disappointed with him... ;)

papa smurf 23-12-2020 10:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063421)
I think you’ll find Papa is used to people being disappointed with him... ;)
Meh what you see is what you get :)

Dude111 24-12-2020 05:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Why do you chose to believe Trump over the courts of your country...including the Supreme Court?
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!

Hugh 24-12-2020 08:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
Bless your heart...

Mr K 24-12-2020 09:29
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!

I'm sure both El Presindente's in Venezuela will be glad to hear it.

Don't drink too much Coca-Cola- its the Govt thought control drug. You heard it here first.

Chris 24-12-2020 10:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
Is that you, Donald? :rofl:

GrimUpNorth 24-12-2020 10:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
I know it's not strictly a country, but I thought the EU was the most corrupt country like entity in the world :confused:

Hom3r 24-12-2020 12:01
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Yes some votes on both sides will have been fraudulent, I would be surprised otherwise. But the figures wouldn't change anything if they were removed.


They are many words to describe Trump, every one would get me banned.


As said on HIGNFY (IIRC) LHO was born in the wrong decade.

Paul 24-12-2020 16:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
I'm sure North Korea loves to see you say that .. :erm:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36063587)
As said on HIGNFY (IIRC) LHO was born in the wrong decade.
Is this some form of code :confused:

Hugh 24-12-2020 16:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36063666)
I'm sure North Korea loves to see you say that .. :erm:

---------- Post added at 16:41 ---------- Previous post was at 16:40 ----------


Is this some form of code :confused:
As said on HIGNFY (IIRC) LHO was born in the wrong decade.

HIGNFY = Have I Got News For You
(IIRC) = If I Remember Correctly
LHO = Lee Harvey Oswald

Paul 24-12-2020 16:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063669)
HIGNFY = Have I Got News For You
(IIRC) = If I Remember Correctly
LHO = Lee Harvey Oswald
:D

(IIRC I knew, the other two, no clue)

Hugh 24-12-2020 16:51
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36063670)
:D

(IIRC I knew, the other two, no clue)
It was for completeness... ;)

1andrew1 24-12-2020 17:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
I respect that as your sincerely held belief but it's an answer to a different question than the one I posed.

The question I was seeking an answer on is:

Why do you chose to believe Trump over the courts of your country...including the Supreme Court?

Hugh 24-12-2020 18:09
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36063694)
I respect that as your sincerely held belief but it's an answer to a different question than the one I posed.

The question I was seeking an answer on is:

Why do you chose to believe Trump over the courts of your country...including the Supreme Court?
With the codicil questions of

a) why hasn’t any of this overwhelming evidence been presented to a Court
b) why hasn’t anyone taken up the offer of £$1,000,000 from the Lieutenant-Governor of Texas for any evidence of voter fraud?

Dave42 24-12-2020 19:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36063535)
Its not good to believe ANYTHING FROM MSM IN THE USA,this is the most corrupt country in the world!!
you are not a member of qanon by any chance are you

1andrew1 28-12-2020 10:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36063699)
With the codicil questions of

a) why hasn’t any of this overwhelming evidence been presented to a Court
b) why hasn’t anyone taken up the offer of £$1,000,000 from the Lieutenant-Governor of Texas for any evidence of voter fraud?
Not everyone is familiar with that term, Hugh.

Please don't use unfamiliar words like "evidence". ;)

Dude111 29-12-2020 07:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Why do you chose to believe Trump over the courts of your country...including the Supreme Court?
Well I honestly think they have been paid off to throw all the evidence away!

Alot of evidence has been shown and every bit of it was tossed.....

Sounds like big pay offs to me!!!!!

Stephen 29-12-2020 08:00
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064061)
Well I honestly think they have been paid off to throw all the evidence away!

Alot of evidence has been shown and every bit of it was tossed.....

Sounds like big pay offs to me!!!!!
What evidence and evidence of what exactly?

Trump has managed to get people to belive things that simply are not true.

Maggy 29-12-2020 08:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064061)
Well I honestly think they have been paid off to throw all the evidence away!

Alot of evidence has been shown and every bit of it was tossed.....

Sounds like big pay offs to me!!!!!
Because it was bogus and untrue and there is no evidence to be tossed.

papa smurf 29-12-2020 10:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064061)
Well I honestly think they have been paid off to throw all the evidence away!

Alot of evidence has been shown and every bit of it was tossed.....

Sounds like big pay offs to me!!!!!
Nothing you can do about it now the establishment have taken control.

Mr K 29-12-2020 10:10
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36064077)
Nothing you can do about it now the establishment have taken control.
that would be the 'grown-ups' ?

Hugh 29-12-2020 10:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064061)
Well I honestly think they have been paid off to throw all the evidence away!

Alot of evidence has been shown and every bit of it was tossed.....

Sounds like big pay offs to me!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36064077)
Nothing you can do about it now the establishment have taken control.
That would be the Republican establishment and the Trump-appointed judges?

Are you guys on the Trump legal team? You seem to have the same tactics - shouting "fraud" but never back it up with any evidence, then when challenged on it, start with the conspiracy theories.

Sore losers... ;)

(strange how the three recounts at Republican-controlled Georgia, where the machine counts matched almost exactly the paper ballot counts, is never mentioned - it's almost as if the evidence never existed in the first place)

1andrew1 29-12-2020 11:01
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
Even Murdoch's New York Post - one of the many pillars of the establishment which supported Trump - is telling him he lost.

Quote:
You have tweeted that, as long as Republicans have “courage,” they can overturn the results and give you four more years in office.

In other words, you’re cheering for an undemocratic coup.

You had every right to investigate the election. But let’s be clear: Those efforts have found nothing. To take just two examples: Your campaign paid $3 million for a recount in two Wisconsin counties, and you lost by 87 more votes. Georgia did two recounts of the state, each time affirming Biden’s win. These ballots were counted by hand, which alone debunks the claims of a Venezuelan vote-manipulating Kraken conspiracy.

Sidney Powell is a crazy person. Michael Flynn suggesting martial law is tantamount to treason. It is shameful.

We understand, Mr. President, that you’re angry that you lost. But to continue down this road is ruinous. We offer this as a newspaper that endorsed you, that supported you: If you want to cement your influence, even set the stage for a future return, you must channel your fury into something more productive.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-i...d-the-nations/

Carth 29-12-2020 12:20
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
All this crying going on about losing an election, then searching high and low for any excuse to get the result overthrown . . . sort of reminds me of our own lot in a similar scenario a few years ago ;)

The good old US of A . . . civil war incoming :D


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