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Maggy 02-09-2018 08:48
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35961994)
A lot Den, google processed meat and cancer. Us veggies (me and Mick) will inherit the earth ;)
Actually us omnivores will inherit the world. Adaptability is key.

Anyway it's Trump not burger eating that's the topic..;)

Damien 06-09-2018 09:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Both Woodward's book and a anonymous article are suggesting that senior members of Trump's staff work to frustrate his agenda but ignoring orders and hiding documents. Pretty amazing stuff.

1andrew1 06-09-2018 09:20
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35962404)
Both Woodward's book and a anonymous article are suggesting that senior members of Trump's staff work to frustrate his agenda but ignoring orders and hiding documents. Pretty amazing stuff.
Woodward is a super reliable author so these two reports are highly damming. One on its own would be bad.

ianch99 06-09-2018 12:16
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35962405)
Woodward is a super reliable author so these two reports are highly damming. One on its own would be bad.
Coming from such a highly regarded journalist, these revelations confirm the childlike nature of Trump's mindset.

I think this can only add to the Democrat vote in the upcoming mid-term elections ..

Stuart 06-09-2018 15:13
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Trump's denials are to be expected, although his twitter feed was entertaining this morning.

Why expected?

First, Trump needs to discredit the book and other report, so of course he is going to deny everything and say it's all lies.

Second, if there is a resistance in the White House, then the members are going to deny to Trump (and anyone else not in the resistance) that they are members. They aren't likely to pipe up and say "Yes, it was me. I told everyone we were resisting Trump's orders" because even in a normal job, that is likely gross misconduct, and a sackable offence. It could possibly attract legal action if you ignore the orders of a president. Possibly even treason, as Trump said.

ianch99 06-09-2018 15:34
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35962447)
Trump's denials are to be expected, although his twitter feed was entertaining this morning.

Why expected?

First, Trump needs to discredit the book and other report, so of course he is going to deny everything and say it's all lies.

Second, if there is a resistance in the White House, then the members are going to deny to Trump (and anyone else not in the resistance) that they are members. They aren't likely to pipe up and say "Yes, it was me. I told everyone we were resisting Trump's orders" because even in a normal job, that is likely gross misconduct, and a sackable offence. It could possibly attract legal action if you ignore the orders of a president. Possibly even treason, as Trump said.
The Treason thing is just hyperbole it seems. More of a child like tantrum than a real threat. I looked at the Wikipedia definition of Treason in the context of the US Jurisdiction:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Article_...ion_3:_Treason

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Section 3 defines treason and its punishment.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." A contrast is therefore maintained with the English law, whereby crimes including conspiring to kill the King or "violating" the Queen, were punishable as treason. In Ex Parte Bollman, 8 U.S. 75 (1807), the Supreme Court ruled that "there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war."[17]
He may have his work cut to make Treason stick?

Lutherf 06-09-2018 16:05
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35962404)
Both Woodward's book and a anonymous article are suggesting that senior members of Trump's staff work to frustrate his agenda but ignoring orders and hiding documents. Pretty amazing stuff.
That coincidence is quite convenient for Mr. Woodward.

The NY Times opinion piece is a wholly self-serving product of the author. Even if the allegations are true it serves no benefit to the president or to the nation. Quite the opposite, it serves only to call into question not just the president but the functions of the Executive branch as a whole. If an unelected advisor is actually making the decision in the White House then there was no purpose in having an election at all. That's not Democracy by any stretch of the imagination.

There are, of course, other possibilities. This could be an attempt to build a case for removal of the president. While basing such an attempt on hearsay (Woodward's as well as that of the op-ed author) would have seemed insane at earlier points in American history it could well be contemplated under the current insanity.

This could also merely be an attempt to undermine Trump's credibility. That was the point of the Steele dossier. It is the point of the absurdly biased press coverage and 40-45% of the citizens believe getting Trump out by any means necessary is the only way to save the world at large.

1andrew1 06-09-2018 20:37
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In effect, Trump is in the position but not in power. It mirrors that other incompetent politician, Jeremy Corbyn, who has been continuously over-ruled on the wording of the anti-Semitism statement.

Mick 06-09-2018 21:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35962490)
In effect, Trump is in the position but not in power. It mirrors that other incompetent politician, Jeremy Corbyn, who has been continuously over-ruled on the wording of the anti-Semitism statement.
He is in power, just not in total power. Same as the other 43 Presidents before him. Remember the American Government is divided in to three Branches. I’ve posted several times how they function. To say he has or is not in power is disingenuous.

I’m not even going to bother commenting on another book of fiction.

Damien 06-09-2018 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962493)
He is in power, just not in total power. Same as the other 43 Presidents before him. Remember the American Government is divided in to three Branches. I’ve posted several times how they function. To say he has or is not in power is disingenuous.
People understand how the American government works. This is about staffers slow walking or ignoring his instructions as a 'resistance'. Some of the stuff coming out of the book is mad.

Mick 06-09-2018 22:11
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If it is believed. I don’t believe it. We’ve already had Mattis, Kelly deny they said any of the things claimed in the book.

Damien 06-09-2018 22:30
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962497)
If it is believed. I don’t believe it. We’ve already had Mattis, Kelly deny they said any of the things claimed in the book.
Of course they did. But this is Bob Woodword now, not a guy with a dodgy reputation, so this is a bizarre time for him to start making stuff up.

Mick 06-09-2018 22:35
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Democrat Operative. Just look at timing. Trump is set to declassify FISA Warrants and other Classified Documents DoJ/FBI is withholding. Plus the Confirmation Hearings of Judge Kavanaugh currently going on.

1andrew1 06-09-2018 22:52
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962500)
Democrat Operative. Just look at timing. Trump is set to declassify FISA Warrants and other Classified Documents DoJ/FBI is withholding. Plus the Confirmation Hearings of Judge Kavanaugh currently going on.
Woodward has written critical books on Democrats too. He's just too authoritative to dismiss.

Mick 06-09-2018 23:03
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I dismiss what he is saying. I don’t give a shit how reputable he is or isn’t.

Lutherf 06-09-2018 23:04
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962493)
He is in power, just not in total power. Same as the other 43 Presidents before him. Remember the American Government is divided in to three Branches. I’ve posted several times how they function. To say he has or is not in power is disingenuous.

I’m not even going to bother commenting on another book of fiction.
I'm glad you put it that way, Mick. Many Americans seem to have forgotten that the president isn't a position of omnipotence. I daresay that over the years some presidents have also forgotten that fact!

The American people have survived incompetence and corruption before. They will certainly survive Trump. At issue is whether they will survive each other due to the political animus the press and their partners in Washington, DC continue to promulgate.

Stuart 06-09-2018 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962497)
If it is believed. I don’t believe it. We’ve already had Mattis, Kelly deny they said any of the things claimed in the book.
Of course, as I said above if they are members of a “resistance” movement in the White House, they will deny it. If they don’t, they risk losing their job or legal action.

Stephen 07-09-2018 06:34
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962497)
If it is believed. I don’t believe it. We’ve already had Mattis, Kelly deny they said any of the things claimed in the book.
Of course they deny saying any of it. They want to keep their jobs.

Woodward has got many types of these conversations so it's not lies or made up.

Woodward has a great reputation and is the man the brought down Nixon.

Trump himself tweeted a few years ago that Obama was crazy to try and insult or go against Woodward. How times have changed now he is in the firing line.

Mick 07-09-2018 09:58
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He is not in the firing line. All these Fake books that have been out and done absolutely diddly squat.

Trumps approval ratings among Republicans is above 90%.

Blacks support for Trump has more than doubled since he took office.

Trumps actions on removing Obama regulations has boosted the Economy, jobs are up.

So whatever shit is written in a fictional book, doesn’t mean it’s over.

Nixon brought himself down, he resigned because he lost the political support around him. There was no cast iron Guarantee that Nixon would have been impeached and removed from office. Different era, different President.

No evidence of collusion found to date, except by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, funding the Fake Russian Dossier.

ianch99 07-09-2018 11:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962534)
He is not in the firing line. All these Fake books that have been out and done absolutely diddly squat.

Trumps approval ratings among Republicans is above 90%.

Blacks support for Trump has more than doubled since he took office.

Trumps actions on removing Obama regulations has boosted the Economy, jobs are up.

So whatever shit is written in a fictional book, doesn’t mean it’s over.

Nixon brought himself down, he resigned because he lost the political support around him. There was no cast iron Guarantee that Nixon would have been impeached and removed from office. Different era, different President.

No evidence of collusion found to date, except by Crooked Hillary and the DNC, funding the Fake Russian Dossier.
Thought you didn't agree with polls?

Your (un-cited) statement:

Quote:
Blacks support for Trump has more than doubled since he took office.
seems to be based on a poll from Rasmussen Reports, a conservative American polling company. So I guess you get what you pay for ..

Looking here:

No, one-third of African Americans don’t support Trump. Not even close.

Quote:
It might seem far-fetched that over a third of African Americans would now approve of a president with a very long history of racial insensitivity — especially because fewer than 10 percent of black voters supported him in 2016.

That’s because it is far-fetched. Trump’s black approval rating is nowhere near 36 percent.

Polling firms that have interviewed far more African Americans, and that are much more transparent than Rasmussen, all show that Trump’s black approval rating is much lower than 36 percent.

For example, Gallup has interviewed thousands of African American respondents in 2018. Its polling suggests that Trump’s black approval rating has consistently been around 10 to 15 percent through 2018.

The same is true in polling by Ipsos/Reuters.

Similarly, the polling firm Civiqs, which has interviewed more than 140,000 respondents in 2017 and 2018 suggests that Trump’s black approval rating has consistently been in the single-digits throughout his presidency.

Similarly, Trump’s average approval rating among African American respondents in seven YouGov/Economist surveys conducted in July and August was 13 percent. His average approval rating among African Americans in four Quinnipiac University surveys conducted over the past two months was just 9 percent.

These data remind us to be skeptical of outlier polls — especially when those results fly in the face of what we already know about African Americans’ weak support for Republican presidents in general and their strong disapproval of Donald Trump in particular.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962534)
Trumps approval ratings among Republicans is above 90%
But ..

No, Donald Trump's poll numbers do not beat Lincoln, all other GOP presidents

Quote:
So, as of the point of Trump’s tweet, not only did George W. Bush have a higher approval rating among Republicans, but so did Dwight Eisenhower and, arguably, George H.W. Bush.

Two other points of comparison make Trump’s achievement less impressive.

One is to compare Trump’s highest approval rating of his tenure so far — 90 percent as recently as mid-July — to the record-high rating for his predecessors through July 29 of their second year in office.

By this measure, Trump actually ties for the second-worst of any post-World War II Republican president, surpassing only Ford.

Another approach is to compare each president on the highest approval rating of their tenure. (Trump has only been in office for a year and a half, but he opened the door to this analysis by claiming the "highest poll numbers in the history of the Republican Party.")

Once again, by this measure, Trump fares the second worst of any post-war Republican president, only surpassing Ford.

By historical standards, Trump has had "solid, but not extraordinary in-party approval," said Kathleen Joyce Weldon, director of data operations and communications at the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at Cornell University.

MatthewEastaugh 07-09-2018 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962500)
Democrat Operative. Just look at timing.
That's an interesting choice of talking points, Mick.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...17638101688320
'Woodward is a Dem operative? Notice timing?'

Though even Trump included question marks...

1andrew1 07-09-2018 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MatthewEastaugh (Post 35962550)
That's an interesting choice of talking points, Mick.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...17638101688320
'Woodward is a Dem operative? Notice timing?'

Though even Trump included question marks...
You think that Mick is Trump?

MatthewEastaugh 07-09-2018 20:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35962576)
You think that Mick is Trump?
Nah, while I doubt the coherence and sanity of Trump, I'm pretty sure Mick is fine on both counts - however much I may disagree with him, or think his choice of who to unequivocally believe is a bit odd.. :)

Mick 08-09-2018 01:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35962546)
Thought you didn't agree with polls?

Your (un-cited) statement:



seems to be based on a poll from Rasmussen Reports, a conservative American polling company. So I guess you get what you pay for ..

Looking here:

No, one-third of African Americans don’t support Trump. Not even close.



---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 ----------



But ..

No, Donald Trump's poll numbers do not beat Lincoln, all other GOP presidents
Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.

Hugh 08-09-2018 09:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962598)
Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.
Here are the source materials.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!respons...collapsed/true

https://civiqs.com/results/approve_p...rican-American

Approval ratings are polls.

ianch99 08-09-2018 09:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962598)
Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.
You do not have to trust them. Judge for yourself. Look at the links they quote and make your own mind up.

1andrew1 08-09-2018 09:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962598)
Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.
Approval ratings take a representative sample of people and ask those people their opinions. How is that different from a poll?

ianch99 08-09-2018 11:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35962607)
Approval ratings take a representative sample of people and ask those people their opinions. How is that different from a poll?
Alternative fact.

Quote:
An approval rating is a percentage determined by a polling which indicates the percentage of respondents to an opinion poll who approve of a particular person or program.

United States presidential approval rating - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...pproval_rating

Mick 09-09-2018 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35962605)
They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.

While you and others mock Trumps ratings: Reminder:

Since Gallup began presidential approval polls in 1945, six presidents have seen as low or lower approval ratings than Trump during their overall time in office: Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, George H. W.

When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll. By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics.

So again, it’s the Trump hysteria effect that’s letting emotions override the benefit of intellect.

1andrew1 09-09-2018 09:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962664)
They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.
Can you explain the difference?

Hugh 09-09-2018 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962664)
They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.

While you and others mock Trumps ratings: Reminder:

Since Gallup began presidential approval polls in 1945, six presidents have seen as low or lower approval ratings than Trump during their overall time in office: Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, George H. W.

When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll. By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics.

So again, it’s the Trump hysteria effect that’s letting emotions override the benefit of intellect.
erm, we were pointing out a specific data point was incorrect, not being involved in "Trump hysteria effect".

I know you seem to disapprove of people basing their comments on fact-based research, rather than just accepting the Trump propaganda, but I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to present facts, not spin...

Approval ratings are gathered by polling organisations by asking people if they approve/disapprove of someone - sounds like a poll to me...

Angua 09-09-2018 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35962670)
erm, we were pointing out a specific data point was incorrect, not being involved in "Trump hysteria effect".

I know you seem to disapprove of people basing their comments on fact-based research, rather than just accepting the Trump propaganda, but I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to present facts, not spin...

Approval ratings are gathered by polling organisations by asking people if they approve/disapprove of someone - sounds like a poll to me...
The dismissing of sources and facts as fake or alternative seems to be a prerequisite of supporting Trump.

Mick 09-09-2018 18:55
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Only I don't support Trump and never have or will. (I live in the UK, I don't read his every tweet, I do not have Trump MAGA posters anywhere, generally speaking, he is a leader of another country, I have not supported by any true sense of the meaning, "To support, is to attend groups, attend official campaigns" I have done neither.)

I just refuse to join the pathetic hysteria bandwagon.

There was mocking of his approval rating, I included in to the discussion, thinking, so what?

With a general selective memory from some, that Obama's approval rating also dropped, considerably during his first years in office.

This is why I maintain that having a long running thread on Trump is not necessary, we did not have a long running one for President Obama, or Bush.

Hugh 09-09-2018 20:13
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Obama and Bush didn’t have all the major US intelligence agencies saying that Russia had tried to influence elections they were involved in - that may be the difference.

Mick 10-09-2018 01:51
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35962753)
Obama and Bush didn’t have all the major US intelligence agencies saying that Russia had tried to influence elections they were involved in - that may be the difference.
Bush lied about the Iraq war. Where was his long running thread ?

And yet there is still no evidence of any collusion directly with Trump on Russian interference, fancy that.

Obama did very little to curtail the effort of Russian interference in the election despite being warned earlier on about it.

And Russia did influence prior U.S Presidential Elections by the way.

There is absolutely no justification for a long running thread on Trump.

1andrew1 10-09-2018 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35962775)
There is absolutely no justification for a long running thread on Trump.
There's a long-running investigation into possible collusion so that's a reason for a long-running thread.
And some politicians are more attractive for debate than others, Trump being one of them. That's a fact of life which those supporting Farage, Blair and Trump have all got their heads around.

pip08456 10-09-2018 21:35
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Let me know when the active debate starts as I haven't seen any here yet.

1andrew1 10-09-2018 21:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35962883)
Let me know when the active debate starts as I haven't seen any here yet.
It commenced some time back I'm afraid.

Dude111 11-09-2018 23:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
You think that Mick is Trump?
Hehe No. Mick is a staff member and I believe he lives in the UK :)

Mick 14-09-2018 11:39
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I see the Crooked Democrats are trying their 11th hour attempt to block the nomination of Kavanaugh, for Supreme Court Justices, with a sudden sexual allegation from his High School years, only the allegation is from a anonymous person, who wants to remain anonymous.

Democrat Senator Feinstein forwarded the allegations to the FBI, who have declined to investigate the matter and have instead passed the information to the White House. Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley says the “allegations” will not stop the nomination session planned for next Thursday.

Angua 14-09-2018 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35963163)
I see the Crooked Democrats are trying their 11th hour attempt to block the nomination of Kavanaugh, for Supreme Court Justices, with a sudden sexual allegation from his High School years, only the allegation is from a anonymous person, who wants to remain anonymous.

Democrat Senator Feinstein forwarded the allegations to the FBI, who have declined to investigate the matter and have instead passed the information to the White House. Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley says the “allegations” will not stop the nomination session planned for next Thursday.
Kavanaugh is as shifty as they come, so I am not surprised his opponents are using every means they can to keep him out.

Stephen 14-09-2018 15:35
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Trumps tweets have got worse. People that are painting him as a daft child who doesn't have a clue are seemingly not wrong.

A strange couple of tweets yesterday, claiming that 3000 people did NOT die in or as a result of the hurricanes in Puerto Rico last year and that the figure was made up by democrats to 'make him look bad'

Also the hurricane is big and wet! haha.

Damien 14-09-2018 16:53
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Manafort has pled guilty to some counts and will give up five bank accounts and two of his properties ahead of his second trial. ABC reporting that he is cooperating with prosecutors.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/paul...ry?id=57823235

Quote:
Paul Manafort, the onetime campaign chairman for President Donald Trump, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as part of a formal deal to plead guilty to two counts of conspiracy in a federal courthouse on Friday and will forfeit a number of his bank accounts and properties.

In court Friday morning, prosecutors revealed that Manafort had completed a successful meeting with investigators in which he offered them information they considered valuable. They did not specify what information he shared or if it was relevant to their investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign.

1andrew1 14-09-2018 19:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35963184)
Trumps tweets have got worse. People that are painting him as a daft child who doesn't have a clue are seemingly not wrong.

A strange couple of tweets yesterday, claiming that 3000 people did NOT die in or as a result of the hurricanes in Puerto Rico last year and that the figure was made up by democrats to 'make him look bad'

Also the hurricane is big and wet! haha.
The BBC's Washington correspondent Anthony Zurcher, nails it for me.
Quote:
Donald Trump simply can't abide criticism of his performance as president. How else to explain his decision, as a hurricane looms off the US coast, to call adjusted Puerto Rican death-toll figures from Hurricane Maria a Democratic-inspired plot against him?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45511865

I guess I should feel sorry for someone so sensitive to criticism. Instead, I feel sorry for those who actually believe him.

Lutherf 14-09-2018 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35963190)
Manafort has pled guilty to some counts and will give up five bank accounts and two of his properties ahead of his second trial. ABC reporting that he is cooperating with prosecutors.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/paul...ry?id=57823235
Based on what I saw in the indictment they had Manafort dead to rights on most of the charges. They were far too specific to be anything but thoroughly investigated and verified. Because of that, Manafort would have been a fool not to take a deal.

Odds are that, like Michael Cohen before him, Manafort will toss a tiny cookie to the prosecution and head off to do his greatly reduced sentence.

It might get interesting, however, if Manafort implicates Tony Podesta in any of his shenanigans.

Mick 21-09-2018 20:49
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BREAKING: New York Times says U.S Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein suggested in May 2017, to disgraced and fired, former Deputy FBI Director, Andy McCabe to wiretap President Trump to invoke 25th Amendment. Rod Rosenstein has since vehemently denied this NYT hit piece insisting there is nothing to hit the President with using the 25th Amendment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...nst-trump.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/u...amendment.html

Lutherf 21-09-2018 22:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35963958)
BREAKING: New York Times says U.S Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein suggested in May 2017, to disgraced and fired, former Deputy FBI Director, Andy McCabe to wiretap President Trump to invoke 25th Amendment. Rod Rosenstein has since vehemently denied this NYT hit piece insisting there is nothing to hit the President with using the 25th Amendment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...nst-trump.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/u...amendment.html
Odds are that this is merely the Times trying to get out in front of whatever they think Trump is going to release in the next few days (declassified FISA warrant, assorted text messages and memos, etc.).

The other possibility is something I just read in the Mail which postulates that Andrew McCabe was the source of this information and released it as an act of spite against Rosenstein.

Either way, it won't do much to dispel "deep state" theories which, frankly, are looking less and less like theories as time goes by.

Hugh 22-09-2018 00:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Rod Rosenstein, the Republican, appointed by Trump?

Mick 22-09-2018 08:56
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35963974)
Rod Rosenstein, the Republican, appointed by Trump?
So ?

Did you need to use google for that info today ? :rolleyes:

Hugh 22-09-2018 13:12
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35963984)
So ?

Did you need to use google for that info today ? :rolleyes:
No, I already knew it...

I don’t understand your disdain for people researching for information?

Mick 22-09-2018 14:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35964028)
No, I already knew it...

I don’t understand your disdain for people researching for information?
Quote:
As the internet has become an increasingly central part of modern life, Big Tech giants such as Facebook, Twitter and Google have increasingly sought to become the gatekeepers of the internet and political discourse. Without any sort of democratic mandate, these companies have appointed themselves the arbiters of acceptable thought, discussion and searches online.

These companies’ pervasive command of the internet — and blatant desire to control how we interact with it — is a direct threat to a free society. And arguably the worst offender is Google.

Google claims to value free expression and a free and open internet, but there is overwhelming evidence that the Big Tech giant wants the internet to be free and open only to political and social ideas of which it approves.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/1248099002/

Any search engine should show you what you seek, not what it wants you to see.

pip08456 22-09-2018 14:38
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35964032)
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/1248099002/

Any search engine should show you what you seek, not what it wants you to see.
DuckDuckGo.

Angua 22-09-2018 16:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35964033)
DuckDuckGo.
Wonder how it works with the iinternet surveillance the US Government seem so keen on.

pip08456 22-09-2018 16:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964035)
Anyone wanting anonymity should use a VPN that keeps no logs.

Hugh 22-09-2018 17:35
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35964032)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
No, I already knew it...

I don’t understand your disdain for people researching for information?
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/1248099002/

Quote:
As the internet has become an increasingly central part of modern life, Big Tech giants such as Facebook, Twitter and Google have increasingly sought to become the gatekeepers of the internet and political discourse. Without any sort of democratic mandate, these companies have appointed themselves the arbiters of acceptable thought, discussion and searches online.

These companies’ pervasive command of the internet — and blatant desire to control how we interact with it — is a direct threat to a free society. And arguably the worst offender is Google.

Google claims to value free expression and a free and open internet, but there is overwhelming evidence that the Big Tech giant wants the internet to be free and open only to political and social ideas of which it approves.
Any search engine should show you what you seek, not what it wants you to see.
An opinion piece from Trump’s Digital campaign manager is supposed to convince me that internet searches are biased?

Mick 22-09-2018 20:49
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
It’s up to you.

Far as I’m concerned, I know it damn well happens.

---------- Post added at 20:49 ---------- Previous post was at 20:36 ----------

And it’s not like google have ever been in trouble for it’s own bias... oh wait...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/3-reas...-the-eu-2018-7

Mr K 22-09-2018 22:08
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35964069)
It’s up to you.

Far as I’m concerned, I know it damn well happens.

---------- Post added at 20:49 ---------- Previous post was at 20:36 ----------

And it’s not like google have ever been in trouble for it’s own bias... oh wait...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/3-reas...-the-eu-2018-7
It definitely does happen. Whenever i put 'Cable Forum' into a web search, I get this politically biased site ;)

pip08456 22-09-2018 22:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964035)
You think the US is bad.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.co...ht-to-privacy/

Damien 23-09-2018 08:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
What bit of information from Google is actually biased? Or is anything we look up using Google now dismissible against Trump?

denphone 23-09-2018 08:31
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35964107)
What bit of information from Google is actually biased? Or is anything we look up using Google now dismissible against Trump?
Google is a search engine at the end of the day and the argument that someone can be politically biased against someone for searching for information on there frankly is pretty flimsy IMO.

Angua 23-09-2018 10:40
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964110)
Google is a search engine at the end of the day and the argument that someone can be politically biased against someone for searching for information on there frankly is pretty flimsy IMO.
Particularly given the apparent anti Trump sentiment, coupled with his favouring such as the biased Fox News, people will search for alternatives, thus pushing other news providers up the search rankings.

Fake news claims beget Fact Checkers.

Maggy 23-09-2018 10:48
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I thought Google flagged up what was most popular in the online offerings?

pip08456 23-09-2018 11:26
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35964122)
I thought Google flagged up what was most popular in the online offerings?
Sponsored links are normally flagged up first.

Mick 24-09-2018 16:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein summoned to White House, has verbally resigned according to reports. This immediately puts implications on Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigations in doubt. Source Associated Press.

Damien 24-09-2018 16:47
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Democrats are probably praying Mueller gets fired before the mid terms

Lutherf 24-09-2018 19:40
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Seems the story was a bit premature, if not just flat out wrong.

Then again, that's what US politics is about these days. It's a contest to see who can get the most retweets by close of business. After 4 years, the one with the most followers, retweets and facebook likes is declared the new commander in chief.

1andrew1 24-09-2018 20:24
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
All very confusing. Sarah Sanders has tweeted that Trump is at the UN General Assembly and he and Rosenstein will meet Thursday.
https://twitter.com/PressSec

pip08456 24-09-2018 21:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Rosenstein met Kelly at the WH today.

ianch99 26-09-2018 12:54
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The office of POTUS used to be respected on the world stage. No longer it seems:



At least he had the good grace to laugh at himself ..

Stuart 27-09-2018 10:01
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35964107)
What bit of information from Google is actually biased? Or is anything we look up using Google now dismissible against Trump?
It's quite simple. If it's pro Trump, it's correct and unbiased news. If it's anti Trump, it's biased. At least that's how a certain elderly orange snowflake sees it.

Mick 28-09-2018 03:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35964469)
The office of POTUS used to be respected on the world stage. No longer it seems:



At least he had the good grace to laugh at himself ..
They all respected Obama because he would cave in to their demands because he was a weak and pathetic president, drawing red lines and then not doing a damn thing about them when they were crossed - this current President obviously doesn't cave or care what other world leaders think.

Stephen 28-09-2018 06:33
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
No it's because Trump is a laughing stock.

His weird press conference yesterday was so bizarre.

Damien 28-09-2018 08:35
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I thought his reaction handled it quite well.

Still they laughed because Trump's style of bravado is even weirder on the UN stage.

denphone 02-10-2018 20:33
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Nothing like the skeletons of old rearing their ugly head for Donald.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...red-trump.html

Mick 04-10-2018 10:15
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
He should just release his tax returns and be done with this argument once and for all.

It's an old story but it keeps rearing it's head.

But media is out to seek and destroy this presidency and it's just rinse and repeat with the stories, if it's not sexual claims, it's Russian collusion and then back to tax dodging... and then the Mid terms is just around the corner.

Stephen 04-10-2018 13:43
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
To be fair, he really doesn't help himself.

Lying, false truths and constantly contradicting himself.

denphone 04-10-2018 15:01
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
If he has got nothing to hide then he should just release his tax returns.

Damien 04-10-2018 15:48
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Why bother if you're him?

He's already taken the hit for not doing so. Most people suspect he has done dodgy stuff with his taxes. Unless their vindicate him all you're doing is confirming that.

Mick 06-10-2018 21:05
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed and approved to U.S Supreme Court on a 50 Ayes to 48 Nays in the Senate.

Stephen 06-10-2018 21:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Brett Kavanaugh nomination: Victory for Trump in Supreme Court vote -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45774174

Oh well America is totally screwed now.

Mick 06-10-2018 21:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
No it’s not. Stop being so ridiculous.

Damien 09-10-2018 15:20
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-n...mpaign=organic

Nikki Haley has resigned! No one knows why yet.

Mr K 09-10-2018 15:24
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35965839)
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-n...mpaign=organic

Nikki Haley has resigned! No one knows why yet.
Maybe having a sexist bully for a boss, who likes to grab women in inappropriate places ? Just guessing....

Damien 09-10-2018 15:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
It's at least outwardly amicable since Trump and Haley will be doing a joint announcement.

OLD BOY 10-10-2018 10:48
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35965840)
Maybe having a sexist bully for a boss, who likes to grab women in inappropriate places ? Just guessing....
Maybe she will stand for President in 2024 and doesn't want to be tainted by the present one.

Mick 10-10-2018 11:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Maybe she's being lined up for another role, say.... U.S Attorney General, when Trump possibly fires Jeff Sessions after the Midterms.

OLD BOY 10-10-2018 12:07
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35965974)
Maybe she's being lined up for another role, say.... U.S Attorney General, when Trump possibly fires Jeff Sessions after the Midterms.
Yes, possibly. There are many reasons why she might have decided to step down.

I hope she comes back into government in a senior capacity, though, she is a very talented woman.

richard s 11-10-2018 20:02
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
She is off to join the Democrats.:)

1andrew1 13-10-2018 09:45
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Having to laugh at Trump linking himself to the success of the stock market.
As we all predicted, he would probably disclaim responsibility in the event of a downturn.
Now there's a downturn - and surprise, surprise - it's someone's else's fault! On this occasion, the Federal Reserve are to blame.

denphone 13-10-2018 09:49
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35966320)
Having to laugh at Trump linking himself to the success of the stock market.
As we all predicted, he would probably disclaim responsibility in the event of a downturn.
Now there's a downturn - and surprise, surprise - it's someone's else's fault! On this occasion, the Federal Reserve are to blame.
A typical narcissist l would say Andrew..

Mr K 13-10-2018 10:15
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966321)
A typical narcissist l would say Andrew..
Always thought he was more of a Daffodil (hair wise) than a Narcissus ;)

See he's going cold on taking significant action against the Saudis, even though there is audio/video evidence of them murdering a critic in their Turkish Embassy. At least our govt. Is making more significant noises, have to see what action we actually take.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/polit...ies/index.html
Quote:
. Donald Trump has never been shy about talking up his close business relationships with the Saudis.

"I get along great with all of them," Trump said of the Saudis at a 2015 campaign rally in Mobile, Alabama. "They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much!"

But the President's reluctance to take decisive action after the disappearance this month of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi -- a US resident -- from the Saudi consulate in Istanbul has renewed questions about the potential conflicts posed by Trump's long-standing ties to the kingdom's royal family.

Mick 13-10-2018 11:07
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I don't remember Trump setting any red lines, so he's fine unlike the prior president who set them when it came to gassing children in Syria, and he still did nothing.

Mick 13-10-2018 19:00
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Pastor Brunson released from Turkey prison early, after two years, released and currently back on U.S Soil and on route to the White House to meet President Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/w...w-brunson.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...in-oval-office

ianch99 19-10-2018 12:16
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trump is now applauding physical assaults on journalists. Seems awkward timing:

'He's my guy': Trump praises Gianforte for assault on Guardian reporter

Quote:
Trump’s comments mark the first time the president has openly and directly praised a violent act against a journalist on American soil. It comes as the White House is under intense domestic and international pressure over Trump’s refusal to condemn Saudi Arabia despite growing evidence that its leader, the crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, ordered the decapitation and dismemberment of the journalist and Saudi critic Jamal Khashoggi.

pip08456 19-10-2018 15:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35967091)
Trump is now applauding physical assaults on journalists. Seems awkward timing:

'He's my guy': Trump praises Gianforte for assault on Guardian reporter
He also appears to be prepared to take a tougher line on the Saudis.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...it-saudi-probe

Hugh 19-10-2018 17:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Anyone know this tweet means?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1539966871

Damien 19-10-2018 17:45
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The PATHETIC Democrats Want To Ban Your Capital Letters

Maggy 21-10-2018 08:49
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45930206


Quote:
The US will withdraw from a landmark nuclear weapons treaty with Russia, President Donald Trump has confirmed.
Quote:
The US insists the Russians have, in breach of the deal, developed a new medium-range missile called the the Novator 9M729 - known to Nato as the SSC-8.

It would enable Russia to launch a nuclear strike at Nato countries at very short notice.

Russia has said little about its new missile other than to deny that it is in breach of the agreement.
A bit worrying..

Angua 21-10-2018 09:55
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Putin touts downfall of US as a global leader: ‘It’s almost done’

Quote:
In his annual public address before the nation, Russian President Vladimir Putin proclaimed that America’s global influence has come to end — a development he attributed in large part to Trump’s presidency.

Mr K 21-10-2018 18:55
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35967275)
It's why Putin was so keen to get Trump elected. Objective achieved with the US increasingly divided and weakened.


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