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Mr K 28-07-2017 10:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909581)
Actually, a 'down payment' think I saw $1.6 billion was approved by House of Representatives yesterday. The wall is going ahead.

Get facts right springs to mind, but always does with you. :rolleyes:
No need to get shirty Mick ! Long way short of the actual amount or actually happening.

Have you ever thought of applying for the role of WH Press Officer ? The post frequently becomes vacant. I think you'd be good and fit the job criteria ;)

pip08456 28-07-2017 10:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35909586)
No need to get shirty Mick ! Long way short of the actual amount or actually happening.

Have you ever thought of applying for the role of WH Press Officer ? The post frequently becomes vacant. I think you'd be good and fit the job criteria ;)
If he did then we may get some facts rather than the assumptions you make.:D

Osem 28-07-2017 17:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35909592)
If he did then we may get some facts rather than the assumptions you make.:D
Yup, pot calling the kettle black again. :D

Hugh 28-07-2017 21:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Chief of Staff fired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40759132
Quote:
White House chief of staff Reince Priebus being replaced by General John Kelly, President Trump tweets

Damien 29-07-2017 00:32
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This madness can't continue, we're only 6 months in. Preibus was the main link to Republicans, he was the 'moderate' as it were. Is Trump just addicted to chaos and attention?

RizzyKing 29-07-2017 00:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I am honestly starting to think Trump wants out but wants to be pushed rather then jump he cannot continue on this way it's affecting the standing of the US internationally and they cannot afford another three years of this. He still retains a lot of support amongst the public in the US more then he deserves given his performance so far but it will start to ebb away if he isn't seen to take control of the office he holds quickly. Such a disappointment this could have been a total sea change in western politics but his buffoonery is making boris johnson look the ultimate professional.

The only bright side to this is the end of hilary clinton politically which is fast becoming small consolation.

Damien 29-07-2017 00:50
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35909717)
I am honestly starting to think Trump wants out but wants to be pushed rather then jump he cannot continue on this way it's affecting the standing of the US internationally and they cannot afford another three years of this.
I don't think he things long term to be honest. He is a TV presenter working to TV rules. He seems addicted to the drama and chaos. So much unnecessary drama caused by twitter posts he never needs to make. Speeches which only hurt him politically, staff pitted against each other. It's bizarre. I mean putting aside my dislike of the man it's just weird how he is running it.

Mick 29-07-2017 02:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35909717)

The only bright side to this is the end of hilary clinton politically which is fast becoming small consolation.
Which is only thing that satisfies me greatly. If Trump leaves White House for whatever reason, during his term. Pence becomes 46th President, not her.

Word is today though that at least two dozen Republican Senators are requesting a special council re-investigate Clinton email scandal. They are not happy former Attorney General Loretta Lynch was telling former FBI Director Comey, to down play what was a Criminal Investigation and insisted he refer to it as a 'matter'. Comey said, when Lynch ordered him to use such a term, it confused and concerned him.

They have penned a letter to the Dept. Of Justice and are requesting Attorney General, Jeff Sessions investigate numerous concerns, here are some of them.

  • Allegations that former Attorney General Loretta Lynch instructed then-FBI Director James Comey to downplay the nature of the Clinton email probe
  • The FBI and DOJ’s decisions in the course of the email probe, including controversial immunity deals with Clinton aide Cheryl Mills and others
  • The State Department’s involvement in deciding which Clinton emails to make public
  • Disclosures in WikiLeaks-released emails regarding the Clinton Foundation and, according to the letter, “its potentially unlawful international dealings”
  • Connections between Clinton officials and “foreign entities” including Russia and Ukraine
  • Revelations in hacked Democratic National Committee emails about “inappropriate” coordination between the DNC and Clinton campaign against Bernie Sanders’ Democratic primary campaign
  • The “unmasking” of Americans in intelligence documents and potentially related leaks of classified information
  • Comey's admitted leak of details of his conversations with President Trump
  • The FBI’s “reliance” on controversial firm Fusion GPS, which was involved in the questionable anti-Trump “dossier”

1andrew1 29-07-2017 03:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35909715)
This madness can't continue, we're only 6 months in. Preibus was the main link to Republicans, he was the 'moderate' as it were. Is Trump just addicted to chaos and attention?
Anybody wondering what Putin may have gained from a Trump presidency, please look away now.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35909718)
I don't think he things long term to be honest. He is a TV presenter working to TV rules. He seems addicted to the drama and chaos. So much unnecessary drama caused by twitter posts he never needs to make. Speeches which only hurt him politically, staff pitted against each other. It's bizarre. I mean putting aside my dislike of the man it's just weird how he is running it.
I totally agree. The Trump presidency has always seemed like one long reality TV series to me.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909569)
I'm not saying it did. The whole thing is a mess. McCain preached the day he came back that they never get things done because of Partisan politics, then he sides with the devil party by voting with them.
I think you've misunderstood what partisan means. McCain's actions by voting with the Democrats are non-partisan.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909522)
Outrageous because this reeks of discrimination
Surely the outrageous thing is what Damien posted namely that Trump woke up and just posted the ban on Twitter without going through any constitutional processes?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909565)
Just reading reaction from some Republican voters. They spewing venom towards the 3 Republican Senators. McCain especially. But saw one man say his Heathcare bills for his family have risen 5 x its original cost, says it's now $18,000 a year for his family of six. :erm:
It's wise not to believe everything on Twitter as posts are unverified. Millions of Obamacare haters out there and the odd one may be prone to exaggeration if it helps kill Obamacare off or they may have genuinely misunderstood the information they were given.

Mick 29-07-2017 04:11
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No exaggeration, their bills are that high.

I stand by my partisan politics assertion. I'm well aware of what it means Andrew.

Putin clearly not gaining anything, Trump is signing the sanctions on Russia, which he had the power to veto, although he would be fueling his critics if he had.

denphone 29-07-2017 05:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35909715)
This madness can't continue, we're only 6 months in. Preibus was the main link to Republicans, he was the 'moderate' as it were. Is Trump just addicted to chaos and attention?
If you vote in poor politicians this is sadly what you get as sadly the days of politicians this side of the pond or ours ever serving for the betterment of the whole country have sadly disappeared currently as chaos seems to reign supreme.

papa smurf 29-07-2017 06:35
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yes very sad sadly

Arthurgray50@blu 29-07-2017 19:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
All Trump is doing is big prat. And using America as a toy. He thinks it is one of his businesses. And sacking people who gets in his way.

Obama care was put there to treat every American. Trump wants to scrap it, so that people would have to have insurance.

I am just counting there days when he sacks someone else's for getting in his way.

Mick 30-07-2017 05:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35909814)
All Trump is doing is big prat. And using America as a toy. He thinks it is one of his businesses. And sacking people who gets in his way.

Obama care was put there to treat every American. Trump wants to scrap it, so that people would have to have insurance.

I am just counting there days when he sacks someone else's for getting in his way.
Just FYI. Been some inaccurate reporting going on. Sky News repeatedly saying Trump fired his chief of staff. Not the case, he resigned. He said in a tv interview, he told Trump he has been considering it and resigned Thursday night.

John. F. Kelly replaces him, this means there is a JFK back in the WH.

Also Arthur. I've explained many times to you. Obamacare is not 'Free healthcare' it's not nowhere near anything like the NHS is here. Americans need Insurance now with Obamacare.

Hugh 30-07-2017 09:08
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He was told 2 weeks ago Trump wanted him to leave, Trump lined up a replacement, and then he 'resigned'. Pretty sure being told by your boss he wants you to go and being told who your replacement is counts, in most people's eyes, as being fired...

1andrew1 30-07-2017 20:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
One of Trump's aims was better relations with Russia. He did seem to be getting close to delivering here with talks about Syria but US-Russia relations now seem to be falling apart. This will be an interesting test for the President.
Quote:
Vladimir Putin expels 755 US diplomats from Russia in tit-for-tat move
Russia has retaliated against new US sanctions by ordering 755 American diplomats to leave - a move that will create a fresh crisis in the relationship between the two countries.
Days after the both houses of the US Congress voted almost unanimously to impose fresh sanctions on Moscow, Vladimir Putin said he was responding to “unlawful” behaviour by Washington.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7868096.html

This situation comes at a bad time for Trump. After some six months in power, he can claim no big legislative victory. In contrast, after six months into their first terms, Barack Obama had launched an $800bn economic stimulus programme and George W Bush $1.4tn-worth of tax cuts.

Damien 30-07-2017 20:29
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Putin is reacting to the Republicans voting though a measure which ensures the Russian sanctions stay, they did so with a large enough majority that Trump can't veto it. (Well he can, but it's likely to be overturned).

pip08456 30-07-2017 21:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35909931)
One of Trump's aims was better relations with Russia. He did seem to be getting close to delivering here with talks about Syria but US-Russia relations now seem to be falling apart. This will be an interesting test for the President.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7868096.html

This situation comes at a bad time for Trump. After some six months in power, he can claim no big legislative victory. In contrast, after six months into their first terms, Barack Obama had launched an $800bn economic stimulus programme and George W Bush $1.4tn-worth of tax cuts.
It can get worse.

The Kremlin is done betting on Trump and planning how to strike back against U.S. sanctions

Mick 30-07-2017 22:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35909931)
One of Trump's aims was better relations with Russia. He did seem to be getting close to delivering here with talks about Syria but US-Russia relations now seem to be falling apart. This will be an interesting test for the President.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7868096.html

This situation comes at a bad time for Trump. After some six months in power, he can claim no big legislative victory. In contrast, after six months into their first terms, Barack Obama had launched an $800bn economic stimulus programme and George W Bush $1.4tn-worth of tax cuts.
You conveniently forget there is three branches of government in play here.

Remember Obama tried to install gun control, after several US tragedies. The NRA, was having non of it and neither were most of the US Senate.

1andrew1 30-07-2017 23:50
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909939)
You conveniently forget there is three branches of government in play here.

Remember Obama tried to install gun control, after several US tragedies. The NRA, was having non of it and neither were most of the US Senate.
My point is that the previous two US presidents had delivered signicant legislation in their first six months in power. Trump simply hasn't. Many Republicans are feeling frustrated by this. I'm not saying that Pence is getting quotes from decorators right now but compared to his predecessors, Trump has been found wanting.

There are other areas that Trump can take a stab at that might prove more successful like tax reform or infrastructure investment, two more of his promises. But he seems to be subsumed by ongoing staff changes, the Russian situation and repealing Obamacare at the expense of any significant legislative success.

Hugh 31-07-2017 18:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35909931)
One of Trump's aims was better relations with Russia. He did seem to be getting close to delivering here with talks about Syria but US-Russia relations now seem to be falling apart. This will be an interesting test for the President.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7868096.html
Quote:
Vladimir Putin expels 755 US diplomats from Russia in tit-for-tat move
Russia has retaliated against new US sanctions by ordering 755 American diplomats to leave - a move that will create a fresh crisis in the relationship between the two countries.
Days after the both houses of the US Congress voted almost unanimously to impose fresh sanctions on Moscow, Vladimir Putin said he was responding to “unlawful” behaviour by Washington.
This situation comes at a bad time for Trump. After some six months in power, he can claim no big legislative victory. In contrast, after six months into their first terms, Barack Obama had launched an $800bn economic stimulus programme and George W Bush $1.4tn-worth of tax cuts.
I wonder if Trump will tweet about the Russian expulsions?

pip08456 31-07-2017 19:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910086)
I wonder if Trump will tweet about the Russian expulsions?
Not so far. He was last on twitter 6hrs ago.

Damien 31-07-2017 19:46
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The communications director appointed last week has left his role this week: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/u...ouse.html?_r=0

Quote:
President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director, three people close to the decision said Monday, relieving him just days after Mr. Scaramucci unloaded a crude verbal tirade against other senior members of the president’s senior staff.
:spin:

A few days ago I saw someone on Twitter suggest everytime someone leaves the White House Oompa-Loompas should appear and sing a song about greed and corruption. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg9EuFmo-VU

:D

pip08456 31-07-2017 19:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Damn, you beat me to it!

Damien 31-07-2017 19:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35910107)
Damn, you beat me to it!
Never mind, bound to be another one in the next hour or so. :p:

1andrew1 31-07-2017 19:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35909586)
...he role of WH Press Officer ? The post frequently becomes vacant. I think you'd be good and fit the job criteria ;)
The more senior role is now available, as others have just pointed out.
Will this dismissal now usher in a period of staffing stability?

Mick 31-07-2017 20:23
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This will be Kelly asserting himself.

Scaramucci was a bad choice, totally out of his depth for Comms Director.

Hugh 31-07-2017 20:25
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But Scaramucci reported directly to Trump, not to the Chief of Staff, and was Trump's choice.

Damien 31-07-2017 20:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Joking aside, and as someone has already pointed out, this is pretty sad for him. This guy seemed tone genuinely like Trump - he sold his company for this too.

pip08456 31-07-2017 20:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910108)
Never mind, bound to be another one in the next hour or so. :p:
He did tweet "I made a mistake in trusting in a reporter. It won't happen again." 3 days ago so I suppose he saw it coming.

Mick 31-07-2017 20:50
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910117)
But Scaramucci reported directly to Trump, not to the Chief of Staff, and was Trump's choice.
Tell this to the gutter press, New York Times who says this is a move orchestrated by Kelly.

Arthurgray50@blu 31-07-2017 20:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This Trump saga is becoming a soap saga. Whose next on the list

Damien 31-07-2017 20:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Whoever has been the NY Times source for a lot of this stuff it's clearly someone very high up at this point.

1andrew1 31-07-2017 21:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910133)
Whoever has been the NY Times source for a lot of this stuff it's clearly someone very high up at this point.
Is it Trump himself? Perhaps he's orchestrating a reality TV show, The Potus Apprentice and he'll have the last laugh? :D

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From the White House website. What a thoroughly altruistic chap Anthony is.:)
Quote:
Statement from the Press Secretary
Anthony Scaramucci will be leaving his role as White House Communications Director. Mr. Scaramucci felt it was best to give Chief of Staff John Kelly a clean slate and the ability to build his own team. We wish him all the best.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ress-secretary

Mick 31-07-2017 21:56
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SNL will be gutted, they did not get a chance to cast Scaramucci. :D

Hugh 31-07-2017 22:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
1 Attachment(s)
From last year.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...8&d=1501535128

Mick 31-07-2017 22:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910152)
Not sure what you're trying to highlight here, there is no similar situation. Scaramucci was far from capable, he give a foul mouth rant to a reporter just days in to his role and dissed current WH Staff. Not a way to act when you just started a job and as I have pointed out to you for the second time, Scaramucci leaving, is down to Kelly.

It seems hirings and firings are not just a Trump thing...although with less frequency one cannot refute.

Some were fired before they were even hired under President Obama, need to go to the section in which the below quote is from.

Quote:
Samantha Power

Samantha Power was a member of President Obama's 2008 presidential campaign but resigned under pressure in March 2008 after referring to Hillary Clinton as a "monster."

Power, who served as a foreign policy adviser to then-candidate Obama, said she made the comments in a "very weak moment" and "of course I regret them, I can't even believe they came out of my mouth."
I don't think you had a weak moment Samantha, you spoke the truth!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/takes...ry?id=20684401

Damien 31-07-2017 22:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I think with Trump it's the sheer amount of firings/people leaving in just 6 months.

1andrew1 31-07-2017 23:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910158)
I think with Trump it's the sheer amount of firings/people leaving in just 6 months.
Spot on. How many people have "resigned" or been fired so far? Five? I've lost track!

pip08456 01-08-2017 00:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910168)
Spot on. How many people have "resigned" or been fired so far? Five? I've lost track!
❌Scaramucci ❌Spicer ❌Flynn ❌Flynn, Jr. ❌Reince ❌Epshtyn ❌Manafort ❌Page ❌Lewandowski ❌Christie ❌Nunberg ❌Dubke.

12 in total.

daveeb 01-08-2017 01:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910168)
Spot on. How many people have "resigned" or been fired so far? Five? I've lost track!
Not very stable or erm...strong. Basically a bit of a shambles.
Our two countries have a lot in common :erm:

denphone 01-08-2017 05:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35910172)
❌Scaramucci ❌Spicer ❌Flynn ❌Flynn, Jr. ❌Reince ❌Epshtyn ❌Manafort ❌Page ❌Lewandowski ❌Christie ❌Nunberg ❌Dubke.

12 in total.
There is a opening there for someone then.;)

Hugh 01-08-2017 08:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910155)
Not sure what you're trying to highlight here, there is no similar situation. Scaramucci was far from capable, he give a foul mouth rant to a reporter just days in to his role and dissed current WH Staff. Not a way to act when you just started a job and as I have pointed out to you for the second time, Scaramucci leaving, is down to Kelly.

It seems hirings and firings are not just a Trump thing...although with less frequency one cannot refute.

Some were fired before they were even hired under President Obama, need to go to the section in which the below quote is from.



I don't think you had a weak moment Samantha, you spoke the truth!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/takes...ry?id=20684401
I think the point I am trying to make is that Trump criticised someone last year for doing what he did this week.

Trump has no excuse for Scaramucci's behaviour - he hired him himself, changed the job's terms of reference so Scaramucci reported directly to the President, not the Chief of Staff, he knew what sort of person Scaramucci was (someone from the NY boroughs who had "made good", just like himself), so must be held responsible for hiring someone who behaved so badly.

That job, in this administration, appears to be a poisoned chalice - from the Washington Post
Quote:
No other post in the White House has experienced as much upheaval as the communications director job. It was first given to Jason Miller, a Trump campaign aide who stepped down from the post during the transition before even being sworn in. It was then given to Republican operative Michael Dubke, who resigned in May. In the intervening weeks, Spicer had taken on those responsibilities in addition to his role as press secretary until Scaramucci was named to the position on July 21 over his objections.

Mr K 01-08-2017 10:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40786411
Quote:
President Donald Trump personally dictated the statement his son gave on his talks with a Russian lawyer during the election campaign, US media report.
I'm quite impressed the Donald can dictate something that is longer than a tweet. Well done him !

Pierre 01-08-2017 12:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Who cares?

Over here we have cabinet "reshuffles" were 6,7,8 , 10 ministers can be sacked at once!

papa smurf 01-08-2017 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35910211)
Who cares?

Over here we have cabinet "reshuffles" were 6,7,8 , 10 ministers can be sacked at once!
a bit the labour party merry go round of a few months back ;)

1andrew1 01-08-2017 20:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35910172)
❌Scaramucci ❌Spicer ❌Flynn ❌Flynn, Jr. ❌Reince ❌Epshtyn ❌Manafort ❌Page ❌Lewandowski ❌Christie ❌Nunberg ❌Dubke.

12 in total.
Wow! Thanks, never seen the list before.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35910211)
Who cares?

Over here we have cabinet "reshuffles" were 6,7,8 , 10 ministers can be sacked at once!
Agreed but they don't happen in the first six months.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910181)
I think the point I am trying to make is that Trump criticised someone last year for doing what he did this week.
Didn't he criticise Obama for playing golf once then proceeded to take many more golfing breaks himself? I guess though that this just makes him a hypocritical politician and there are many others like him.

Hugh 01-08-2017 21:06
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There appears to be some contradiction here...

In June, Trump's personal lawyer stated (regarding Trump Jr.'s press statement about meeting with the Russians)
Quote:
On June 12, Sekulow told George Stephanopoulos that the Times' June 11 report was "incorrect," and "the president didn't sign off on anything. He was coming back from the G-20, the statement that was released on Saturday was released by Donald Trump Jr. and, I'm sure, in consultation with his lawyers. The president wasn't involved in that." He then told CNN's New Day that "I wasn't involved in the statement drafting at all, nor was the president." On June 16, he told Chuck Todd on NBC's Meet the Press: "I do want to be clear that the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. It came from Donald Trump Jr."
http://theweek.com/speedreads/715715...eed-lawyer-now

Today, the Trump's official Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, stated at a White House Press Conference
Quote:
Asked about Trump’s involvement in writing the statement, Sanders said, “He certainly didn’t dictate, but you know, he — like I said, he weighed in, offered suggestion, like any father would do.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...-russia-lawyer

Both of these statements are from Trump's lawyer and Press Secretary, so cannot be dismissed as 'Fake News'.

1andrew1 01-08-2017 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910278)
Both of these statements are from Trump's lawyer and Press Secretary, so cannot be dismissed as 'Fake News'.
If I was a Trump fan I would probably try and change the topic to Venezuela or Hillary Clinton now.
What you have highlighted is very damning of Trump.

Damien 01-08-2017 22:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910284)
If I was a Trump fan I would probably try and change the topic to Venezuela or Hillary Clinton now.
What you have highlighted is very damning of Trump.
Meh. Is it any worse than any of the other stuff?

1andrew1 01-08-2017 22:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910285)
Meh. Is it any worse than any of the other stuff?
It may not be any worse but it includes "Russia" and "cover-up" which is already a very toxic area.
I'm hoping that the Trump Presidency is past its worst and that Kelly will improve governance.

Julian 01-08-2017 22:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910284)
If I was a Trump fan I would probably try and change the topic to Venezuela or Hillary Clinton now.
What you have highlighted is very damning of Trump.
Why would anyone native to this country be a "fan" of the leader of another country?

What is the obsession with some people in Britain about Trump?

Damien 01-08-2017 22:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35910287)
What is the obsession with some people in Britain about Trump?
He's the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

Mick 01-08-2017 23:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910284)
If I was a Trump fan I would probably try and change the topic to Venezuela or Hillary Clinton now.
What you have highlighted is very damning of Trump.
But not really.

Or just ignore it because there is no Russian collusion for the 131424353535674636353646464th time. Btw, we already have a Venezuelan topic.

Btw 2, US has a new FBI Director, Christopher Wray. (For ten years, not days, hopefully). Has been confirmed by the US Senate.

denphone 02-08-2017 06:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910288)
He's the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
Granted that but he is idiot nevertheless but Americans like us did not have the greatest electoral choice to choose from sadly.:(:td:

Stuart 02-08-2017 10:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35910211)
Who cares?

Over here we have cabinet "reshuffles" were 6,7,8 , 10 ministers can be sacked at once!
I believe they have those in the US as well. I think the issue here is that some posts have been filled multiple times now.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35910216)
a bit the labour party merry go round of a few months back ;)
Difference being they weren't in power.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910291)
But not really.

Or just ignore it because there is no Russian collusion for the 131424353535674636353646464th time. Btw, we already have a Venezuelan topic.
The fact they have not launched impeachment proceedings yet does not mean that they won't. We have not seen the full evidence. Impeaching a president is not something the US Authorities do lightly, nor should they. They need evidence, especially as if any president is impeached, there may well be further legal action after the impeachment, and possible criminal charges whether against the President or members of the administration.

I don't know if there was collusion. I suspect there was. There was certainly communication between Trump's team and Russians that the intelligence agencies maintain have links with the Russian government, the team themselves have admitted as much if the media is correct.

Assuming the communications were entirely legitimate, I feel the best way Trump can handle it is to do something he is unlikely to have done before. Be totally open and honest about it. That will certainly wrong foot the democrats and may even show up any conspiracy by them to invent collusion where it didn't exist.

Hell, if he did that, and it worked, he may well come out of it looking like a hero, and would probably have secured his chance to win the next election.

Hugh 02-08-2017 12:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/08/1.jpg

Mick 02-08-2017 12:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35910325)
I believe they have those in the US as well. I think the issue here is that some posts have been filled multiple times now.

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Difference being they weren't in power.

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The fact they have not launched impeachment proceedings yet does not mean that they won't. We have not seen the full evidence. Impeaching a president is not something the US Authorities do lightly, nor should they. They need evidence, especially as if any president is impeached, there may well be further legal action after the impeachment, and possible criminal charges whether against the President or members of the administration.

I don't know if there was collusion. I suspect there was. There was certainly communication between Trump's team and Russians that the intelligence agencies maintain have links with the Russian government, the team themselves have admitted as much if the media is correct.

Assuming the communications were entirely legitimate, I feel the best way Trump can handle it is to do something he is unlikely to have done before. Be totally open and honest about it. That will certainly wrong foot the democrats and may even show up any conspiracy by them to invent collusion where it didn't exist.

Hell, if he did that, and it worked, he may well come out of it looking like a hero, and would probably have secured his chance to win the next election.
Yes, I know how impeachment proceedings work. It's a political process rather than a 'criminal' process. History could just repeat itself and Trump resigns, Pence is sworn in as 46th President and pardons Trump if any indictments are levied against him.

But we are way off, Trump has his base Republican supporters who could turn against Republican Senators, if they vote to impeach him.

Impeachment Articles have been raised in the House of Representatives, by two Democrats. But Trump has to lose support from his own party for those articles to pass and then it requires a further vote in the Senate. The whole process is meant to be complex and hard to pass, it is not for simply not liking a sitting President, or because people feel the wrong person was elected.

1andrew1 02-08-2017 20:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Worth pointing out that JK Rowling has withdrawn her criticism of Trump for not shaking hands with a disabled child after she was advised he did.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jk-rowli...y-white-house/

Kursk 02-08-2017 20:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910472)
Worth pointing out that JK Rowling has withdrawn her criticism of Trump for not shaking hands with a disabled child after she was advised he did.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jk-rowli...y-white-house/
Crucially, she 'forgot' to apologise to President Trump.

1andrew1 02-08-2017 20:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910366)
Impeachment Articles have been raised in the House of Representatives, by two Democrats. But Trump has to lose support from his own party for those articles to pass and then it requires a further vote in the Senate. The whole process is meant to be complex and hard to pass, it is not for simply not liking a sitting President, or because people feel the wrong person was elected.
The reasons for Trump potentially being impeached would not be to do with people disliking the President but for solid evidence of Russian collusion during the election and subsequent cover-up being found. So, he'll be just fine. ;)

papa smurf 02-08-2017 20:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910473)
Crucially, she 'forgot' to apologise to President Trump.
but she's a woman aren't they always right

1andrew1 02-08-2017 20:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910473)
Crucially, she 'forgot' to apologise to President Trump.
Yes, bit of a poor sport there but I don't think he likes giving or accepting apologies either.

Kursk 02-08-2017 20:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35910475)
but she's a woman aren't they always right
Hogwarts!
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910476)
Yes, bit of a poor sport there but I don't think he likes giving or accepting apologies either.
But still, she propagated a malicious falsehood. A public apology is appropriate imo.

Mick 02-08-2017 21:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910473)
Crucially, she 'forgot' to apologise to President Trump.
Hell has a better chance of freezing over before she ever would.

She stands on a platform preaching to the world what everyone else should do, you know, like take in more refugees etc etc. Rumour has it, in all her UK mansions she has 18 spare bedrooms. I don't think she has took any in. ;)

Hence the following Petition: https://www.change.org/p/j-k-rowling...spare-bedrooms

Gary Lineker is another who preaches on with himself too. :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 02-08-2017 21:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910472)
Worth pointing out that JK Rowling has withdrawn her criticism of Trump for not shaking hands with a disabled child after she was advised he did.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jk-rowli...y-white-house/
He has a massive issue with handshaking for some reason, nothing to do with being disabled or foreign he just hates it

1andrew1 02-08-2017 21:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910481)
But still, she propagated a malicious falsehood. A public apology is appropriate imo.
She should, totally agree.

Damien 02-08-2017 21:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35910491)
He has a massive issue with handshaking for some reason, nothing to do with being disabled or foreign he just hates it
He's a germaphobe. Also never drinks because he thinks it's a dangerous vice and had a brother who died from alcoholism.

adzii_nufc 03-08-2017 02:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump thinks the US is losing the war in Afghanistan... he might be onto something at last.

Dude111 03-08-2017 06:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
Trump has just tweeted to let it implode which it will. Americans will suffer with sky high increases, the Affordable Care act that's not Affordable LOL.
The american sheeple (supporters) have NO CLUE what he is going to do.... This is a tip of an ice berg!! (HE CAN DO NO WRONG IN THIER EYES MICK!!)

denphone 03-08-2017 06:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35910475)
but she's a woman aren't they always right
Of course they are unless you want to be in the doghouse on a regular occasion.;)

papa smurf 03-08-2017 08:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35910520)
Of course they are unless you want to be in the doghouse on a regular occasion.;)
been in it since 1986 mate ;)

Osem 03-08-2017 09:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910484)
Hell has a better chance of freezing over before she ever would.

She stands on a platform preaching to the world what everyone else should do, you know, like take in more refugees etc etc. Rumour has it, in all her UK mansions she has 18 spare bedrooms. I don't think she has took any in. ;)

Hence the following Petition: https://www.change.org/p/j-k-rowling...spare-bedrooms

Gary Lineker is another who preaches on with himself too. :rolleyes:
These people have to try very hard to make themselves better about being as greedy as they are you see. So they carry on raking in the money, buying more luxury property and reducing the tax they pay whilst preaching about morals and humanity to the rest of us. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Hugh 03-08-2017 10:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Well, considering JK Rowling has given over £150 million to charity, I would say she is practicing what she preaches.

Mick 03-08-2017 10:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910534)
Well, considering JK Rowling has given over £150 million to charity, I would say she is practicing what she preaches.
Rubbish. Where are the refugees and are there any being housed in any of her several homes? :rolleyes:

Damien 03-08-2017 12:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910534)
Well, considering JK Rowling has given over £150 million to charity, I would say she is practicing what she preaches.
She's donated a lot more than that I think, the figure is from 2012 and last year she was one of the biggest givers again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uses-year.html

Quote:
JK Rowling was the second most generous celebrity with £10.3million generated and donated by her childrens' charity Lumos Foundation and the Volant Charitable Trust, which funds research into multiple sclerosis.
But you can't win, here is someone who produced a remarkable British success story, whose work has been a massive cultural benefit to Britain and increased tourism and donates millions and millions to charity each year but she'll still be a hypocrite and greedy. People seem incapable of believing other people can be nice, generous and have decent intent.

Kursk 03-08-2017 13:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910560)
People seem incapable of believing other people can be nice, generous and have decent intent.
Telling a lie about the President isn't nice, generous and of decent intent. Her philanthropy doesn't excuse her mistake which could be resolved simply with a public apology.

Mick 03-08-2017 13:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910560)
She's donated a lot more than that I think, the figure is from 2012 and last year she was one of the biggest givers again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uses-year.html



But you can't win, here is someone who produced a remarkable British success story, whose work has been a massive cultural benefit to Britain and increased tourism and donates millions and millions to charity each year but she'll still be a hypocrite and greedy. People seem incapable of believing other people can be nice, generous and have decent intent.
And she let herself down preaching to the world, she is trying to use her success and inject her politics to the rest of the world.

Most of us get she hates President Trump, but to use a disabled boy to push her hate agenda, is plain wrong and she got caught out for it.

It is all well and good her saying we should let more refugees in, where are they going to live?

There is a chronic housing shortage for our own citizens and homelessness is increasing tenfold in the UK and all these rich celebrities preach to carry on letting more in, but so long as it is not anywhere near to them, with their built up mansions surrounded by walls, the very thing she and others is having a go at President Trump for.

She should stick to writing fiction, although she is doing a good job on that on twitter, lately.

Damien 03-08-2017 13:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910583)
Telling a lie about the President isn't nice, generous and of decent intent. Her philanthropy doesn't excuse her mistake which could be resolved simply with a public apology.
You can't distill someone's entire character down to one misjudged tweet. She should have apologized but it doesn't negate everything else she has ever done.

We don't know what she is really like as a person but what does come out is largely highly positive. Aside from her work, which people should be proud of coming from the UK, she has donated and worked a lot with charity. Why the need to add JK Rowling to the list of greedy hypocrites.

To be honest from a place where people were largely for Brexit I've not seen a place that is so uniformly negative about this country. Everything from the art it creates, the people it produces and the institutions it's created

Kursk 03-08-2017 14:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910585)
You can't distill someone's entire character down to one misjudged tweet. She should have apologized but it doesn't negate everything else she has ever done.

We don't know what she is really like as a person but what does come out is largely highly positive. Aside from her work, which people should be proud of coming from the UK, she has donated and worked a lot with charity. Why the need to add JK Rowling to the list of greedy hypocrites.

To be honest from a place where people were largely for Brexit I've not seen a place that is so uniformly negative about this country. Everything from the art it creates, the people it produces and the institutions it's created.
Hang on, I've not said anything like that! Do you think that, like J K Rowling in this event, you might be projecting your sensitivities onto me? ;)

Call me old fashioned but if you (Rowling) make a mistake, then you should apologise. It's simply good manners and very significant when millions of people are watching and potentially influenced by the things you say and do.

Hugh 03-08-2017 16:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35910590)
Hang on, I've not said anything like that! Do you think that, like J K Rowling in this event, you might be projecting your sensitivities onto me? ;)

Call me old fashioned but if you (Rowling) make a mistake, then you should apologise. It's simply good manners and very significant when millions of people are watching and potentially influenced by the things you say and do.
If only posters held all public figures equally to this standard...

Mick 03-08-2017 17:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910603)
If only posters held all public figures equally to this standard...
This thread is not about ALL public figures though is it ?

Feel free to start several topics on all past and present public figures, who have broke this standard. I'll happily join in on a few.

Osem 03-08-2017 18:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910560)
She's donated a lot more than that I think, the figure is from 2012 and last year she was one of the biggest givers again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uses-year.html



But you can't win, here is someone who produced a remarkable British success story, whose work has been a massive cultural benefit to Britain and increased tourism and donates millions and millions to charity each year but she'll still be a hypocrite and greedy. People seem incapable of believing other people can be nice, generous and have decent intent.
How much money do they need? How many millions is enough? How many properties which stand largely empty when they're not at home and hardly bursting at the seams when they are at home? If they're going to moralise about generosity, poverty, homelessness etc. they can expect to have the reality about their own extraordinary wealth pointed out along with any of the excesses which they choose to avail themselves of. Someone with £50m in the bank and homes around the globe could easily 'win' by giving away most of it and living in one or even two homes like most of us mere mortals - albeit a lot bigger and nicer of course and comfortably far away from any of the 'worthy' social causes they say they support so as not to be inconvenienced by them. Furthermore these people don't suddenly stop earning when they donate, they have massive annual income which can easily replace what they've donated, all too often off the back of the rest of us who buy their products, watch their films or whatever. The truth is that when you have more money than you know what to do with it's really not difficult to 'donate' what to the rest of us would be sums approaching or exceeding a lifetime's income. That doesn't render you immune from criticism when hypocrisy is evident however.

ianch99 03-08-2017 21:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35910639)
How much money do they need? How many millions is enough? How many properties which stand largely empty when they're not at home and hardly bursting at the seams when they are at home? If they're going to moralise about generosity, poverty, homelessness etc. they can expect to have the reality about their own extraordinary wealth pointed out along with any of the excesses which they choose to avail themselves of. Someone with £50m in the bank and homes around the globe could easily 'win' by giving away most of it and living in one or even two homes like most of us mere mortals - albeit a lot bigger and nicer of course and comfortably far away from any of the 'worthy' social causes they say they support so as not to be inconvenienced by them. Furthermore these people don't suddenly stop earning when they donate, they have massive annual income which can easily replace what they've donated, all too often off the back of the rest of us who buy their products, watch their films or whatever. The truth is that when you have more money than you know what to do with it's really not difficult to 'donate' what to the rest of us would be sums approaching or exceeding a lifetime's income. That doesn't render you immune from criticism when hypocrisy is evident however.
Do you like actually anyone? You are always whining about everything. Give us all a break and contribute something constructive for a change ..

Hugh 03-08-2017 21:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910632)
This thread is not about ALL public figures though is it ?

Feel free to start several topics on all past and present public figures, who have broke this standard. I'll happily join in on a few.
Ok, how many times has Trump apologised to those he has insulted?

At least JK Rowling owned up to her mistake.

Mick 03-08-2017 22:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35910714)
Ok, how many times has Trump apologised to those he has insulted?

At least JK Rowling owned up to her mistake.
Ahh playing the whataboutery card are we? I'm not aware of any apologies made, but then I'm neither aware of who he has insulted that warrants an apology. Crooked Hillary does not count. ;)

As for JK Rowling.... Don't make me laugh. It took her days to correct her mistake and only when it hit the press. She owned up to it then albeit, half-heartedly.

denphone 04-08-2017 07:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910717)
Ahh playing the whataboutery card are we? I'm not aware of any apologies made, but then I'm neither aware of who he has insulted that warrants an apology. Crooked Hillary does not count. ;)

As for JK Rowling.... Don't make me laugh. It took her days to correct her mistake and only when it hit the press. She owned up to it then albeit, half-heartedly.
Trump has insulted many in the last couple of years unless one has their eyes closed and puts cotton wool in their ears as he never apologised to them did he?.;)

As for Hilary well she is just as bad IMO.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/po...ist/index.html

1andrew1 04-08-2017 23:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Even the Murdoch press is now happy to reveal the true negotiating "abilities" of Trump. My take-away is his lack of understanding of the other countries' likely reactions when he puts his demands to them, as well as not understanding the basic issues.
The Times: Transcripts reveal president pleading, angry and confused
Quote:
In a call with President Enrique Peña Nieto, he describes his vow to make Mexico pay for a border wall as a growing political problem, and begging Mr Peña Nieto to “stop talking about the wall.” The Mexican president has repeatedly said Mexico will not pay for the wall.
“You cannot say that to the press,” Mr Trump says. “We should both say, ‘We will work it out.’ It will work out in the formula somehow,” he said. Mr Trump veers sharply between sweet talk and invective, blaming Mexico for America’s drug epidemic before pledging: “It is you and I against the world, Enrique, do not forget.”
...Australia does not admit any refugees or migrants reaching its shores by boat in a bid to deter people smuggling.
Mr Trump struggles to understand the deal despite Mr Turnbull’s repeated efforts to explain it. Mr Trump had just issued the first of his executive orders seeking to ban migrants and refugees from a number of Muslim countries.
Mr Turnbull explains they are economic refugees, not from any of the banned countries, and that the US can vet and turn away any it believes are dangerous. He adds they have not been detained because they are criminals but because of Australia’s policy. Mr Trump is unconvinced.
“I hate taking these people. I guarantee you they are bad,” he said.
“That is why they are in prison right now. They are not going to be wonderful people who go on to work for the local milk people.” He goes on: “What is the thing with boats? Why do you discriminate against boats?”
Mr Turnbull refuses to budge, telling Mr Trump he will honour the deal, and the phone call ends in acrimony. “I have had it,” Mr Trump fumes. “I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...used-pnvbjs5d8

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910560)
She's donated a lot more than that I think, the figure is from 2012 and last year she was one of the biggest givers again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uses-year.html

But you can't win, here is someone who produced a remarkable British success story, whose work has been a massive cultural benefit to Britain and increased tourism and donates millions and millions to charity each year but she'll still be a hypocrite and greedy. People seem incapable of believing other people can be nice, generous and have decent intent.
It's the British disease, knock people who have become successful whilst at the other end of the spectrum, criticise those on benefits for being lazy and a drag on society. Ironically, JK Rowling has been both.

Mick 05-08-2017 08:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I hope whoever leaked the transcripts to the pathetic liberal press, with a one sided agenda, go to jail. Republican Senators are demanding jail time for the leakers.

Leaking private conversations not just the US President, but foreign leaders, is plain wrong and illegal. It's the leaking of the Manchester Arena crime scene photos, all over again, in their desperate bid to embarrass Trump and yet again, gutter press New York Times and Washington Post are the culprits. POS companies, who have no ethics when it comes to balance.

It seems however they like to turn away from real scandals, like when former President Bill Clinton, met former US Attorney General, on the back of a plane, days before FBI Director James Comey dropped a federal investigation in to his wife's private email server use.

Quote:
Reporters with the Washington Post and New York Times were apparently less than enthusiastic about covering the controversial private meeting between then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton just months ahead of the 2016 election.

The non-profit American Center for Law and Justice published emails Friday that showed reporters asking Department of Justice officials for details on the meeting.

Mark Lander, a reporter for the Times, is seen in one June 30 email reaching out to a DOJ official to say he's "been pressed into service to write about the questions being raised" by the meeting.

Matt Zapotosky with the Post emailed a DOJ official the same day after several other emails to say that his editors "are still pretty interested" in the story but that he wanted to "put it to rest."

Lynch and Clinton had met on the tarmac in Phoenix to discuss "primarily social" matters, according to public comments Lynch made after the meeting.

But at the time, Democratic presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was under federal investigation for her use of a private email server as a top government official.

When news initially broke of the meeting, the Times did not publish any stories about the meeting for more than 24 hours, as the Washington Examiner reported.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/em...rticle/2630650

Damien 05-08-2017 08:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
New York Times was the paper that broke the Clinton email story.

1andrew1 05-08-2017 09:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I think the leaks show the lack of respect and authority that the US President commands. You can tighten things up as much as possible but ultimately, having respect for the President would reduce leaks. And, it's not just his inner circle that has a problem with POTUS; Trump's popularity is now down to 33%. And that's before taking his lengthy 17-day holiday.
Further more, we can see evidence of others sidelining him. Prominent Republicans ignored the president’s instructions to continue working on healthcare and instead turned to tax policy. “Trump has proven to be a relatively weak president. He hasn’t learned how to use the powers of the office,” says John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University. “It’s difficult for other political actors to take him seriously.”
And those pesky Russians? Prime Minister Dimitri wrote on Facebook "The Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way . . . The US establishment fully outwitted Trump; the president is not happy about the new sanctions, yet he could not but sign the bill.”
Mentioning Russians, talk that special counsel Robert Mueller has convened a grand jury to investigate alleged ties between Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government only sets the scene for more interesting times ahead.

ianch99 05-08-2017 09:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910835)
Even the Murdoch press is now happy to reveal the true negotiating "abilities" of Trump. My take-away is his lack of understanding of the other countries' likely reactions when he puts his demands to them, as well as not understanding the basic issues.
The Times: Transcripts reveal president pleading, angry and confused

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...used-pnvbjs5d8

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It's the British disease, knock people who have become successful whilst at the other end of the spectrum, criticise those on benefits for being lazy and a drag on society. Ironically, JK Rowling has been both.
Yes, whine about those like Rowling who try and make a difference with their money and keep quiet about those who have the money and just keep it for themselves.

---------- Post added at 09:14 ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910855)
I think the leaks show the lack of respect and authority that the US President commands. You can tighten things up as much as possible but ultimately, having respect for the President would remove any leaks. And, it's not just his inner circle that has a problem with POTUS; Trump's popularity is now down to 33%. And that's before taking his lengthy 17-day holiday.
In fact, we can see evidence of others sidelining him. Prominent Republicans ignored the president’s instructions to continue working on healthcare and instead turned to tax policy. “Trump has proven to be a relatively weak president. He hasn’t learned how to use the powers of the office,” says John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University. “It’s difficult for other political actors to take him seriously.”
And those pesky Russians? Prime Minister Dimitri wrote on Facebook "The Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way . . . The US establishment fully outwitted Trump; the president is not happy about the new sanctions, yet he could not but sign the bill.”
Talking of Russians, talk that special counsel Robert Mueller has convened a grand jury to investigate alleged ties between Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government only sets the scene for more interesting times ahead.
What is interetsing is that when is clear, and it has been for a while now, that Trump and his administration are a joke, literally a laughing stock, that his supporters still try focus on how the information showing him to be a joke is disseminated.

Trump has made the office of President of the United States a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

Mick 05-08-2017 11:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910854)
New York Times was the paper that broke the Clinton email story.
Doesn't change anything about the Washington Examiner Story.

Damien 05-08-2017 11:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910869)
Doesn't change anything about the Washington Examiner Story.
But the Examiner story doesn't seem a big deal. They reported on the story and e-mailed people at the DOJ for details. They're complaining it took them 24 hours to report on it but that's not outrageous, they need to time to do their own investigation.

The wider point that they're not interested in the Clintons is surely difficult when they, more than anyone else, were doggedly chasing the e-mail story (as in breaking news about it, rather than the conspiracy stuff).

Mick 05-08-2017 11:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35910855)
I think the leaks show the lack of respect and authority that the US President commands. You can tighten things up as much as possible but ultimately, having respect for the President would reduce leaks. And, it's not just his inner circle that has a problem with POTUS; Trump's popularity is now down to 33%. And that's before taking his lengthy 17-day holiday.
Further more, we can see evidence of others sidelining him. Prominent Republicans ignored the president’s instructions to continue working on healthcare and instead turned to tax policy. “Trump has proven to be a relatively weak president. He hasn’t learned how to use the powers of the office,” says John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University. “It’s difficult for other political actors to take him seriously.”
And those pesky Russians? Prime Minister Dimitri wrote on Facebook "The Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way . . . The US establishment fully outwitted Trump; the president is not happy about the new sanctions, yet he could not but sign the bill.”
Mentioning Russians, talk that special counsel Robert Mueller has convened a grand jury to investigate alleged ties between Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government only sets the scene for more interesting times ahead.
That's typical of Russia not understanding there is three branches of government in play. All independent of each other.

And yet after all that questionable above, US jobs, US economy, all up considerably under the Trump Presidency. In July, over 200K extra jobs.

And you still doing it again with polls. I take no notice of them at all. Remember that 90% chance that Killary would win Presidency in a landslide, that there was no path to Trump winning. What total bollocks all this turned out to be.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910870)
But the Examiner story doesn't seem a big deal. They reported on the story and e-mailed people at the DOJ for details. They're complaining it took them 24 hours to report on it but that's not outrageous, they need to time to do their own investigation.

The wider point that they're not interested in the Clintons is surely difficult when they, more than anyone else, were doggedly chasing the e-mail story (as in breaking news about it, rather than the conspiracy stuff).
Not a big deal ?

Of course it's a big deal, it's called one sided biased Journalism. You know the type of media outlet that gives the questions to Hillary, to help her cheat in the Bernie Sanders Primaries debate.

Damien 05-08-2017 12:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910872)
And you still doing it again with polls. I take no notice of them at all. Remember that 90% chance that Killary would win Presidency in a landslide, that there was no path to Trump winning. What total bollocks all this turned out to be.
It was a 90% chance of her winning the electoral college. The polls were always quite close in terms of popular vote.


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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910872)
Not a big deal ?

Of course it's a big deal, it's called one sided biased Journalism. You know the type of media outlet that gives the questions to Hillary, to help her cheat in the Bernie Sanders Primaries debate.
How is reporting something 24 hours later than someone else biased? Also you've linked to the Washington Examiner so you're clearly not that bothered about 'one sided biased Journalism'.

Mick 05-08-2017 13:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910884)
How is reporting something 24 hours later than someone else biased?
Because they waste no time in reporting the first thing they can when it comes to Trump.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910884)
Also you've linked to the Washington Examiner so you're clearly not that bothered about 'one sided biased Journalism'.
Oh so I cannot link to the source that I first got my information from now can I ? :rolleyes:

Mr K 05-08-2017 14:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910893)
Because they waste no time in reporting the first thing they can when it comes to Trump.



Oh so I cannot link to the source that I first got my information from now can I ? :rolleyes:
You can do as you like Mick, as long as you allow others to do the same :)

Damien 05-08-2017 14:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910893)
Because they waste no time in reporting the first thing they can when it comes to Trump.
Yes they do. They had been working on the story about Trump Jr meeting people allegedly linked to the Russian government for almost a year but couldn't stand it up until they had the leaked e-mails.

Have you noticed they've largely been right on the stories they've broken about Clinton's emails, Flynn and the ambassador, Corney's memo and the meeting with Trump Jr? They don't rush to print and so 24 hours is nothing when they're willing to wait a year.

They had that dossier the British guy produced back in September and never published it until Buzzfeed leaked it.

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Oh so I cannot link to the source that I first got my information from now can I ? :rolleyes:
No. But linking to biased papers while complaining about biased papers is a bit weird.

Mick 05-08-2017 14:50
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910903)



No. But linking to biased papers while complaining about biased papers is a bit weird.
Oh so you agree there is a bias with NYT, WP ? ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35910900)
You can do as you like Mick, as long as you allow others to do the same :)
I have not prevented anyone from linking to anywhere.... :rolleyes:


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