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RichardCoulter 19-07-2017 13:38

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35908392)
There is very little to watch on ITV Encore that isn't available on VM On Demand under the ITV Collections section or ITV 3. Basically, it's mainly repeats of programmes already shown on ITV, so it's not surprising that so few people watch it. The channel can't possibly be paying its way, so expect this to be put out on all platforms before much longer (with the possible exception of BT, if Sky's spat with them continues).

The only programme of note that we watch is 'The Americans'.

It's owned by ITV, so I don't think that Sky could stop it going onto the BT platform, especially as Sky would no longer be paying for carriage & playout.

From what you've said it sounds ripe for closure, they could just put The Americans onto ITV3, but the sudden FTA tests may indicate that ITV will try to go it alone as a FTA channel.

If ITV get a Freeview slot for it, it would end up on BT's platform by default!

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35908451)
Talking about Eurosport:

Reports on a516digital say that Discovery are in talks to takeover Scripps Networks Interactive the owners of Travel Channel, Food Network and 50% of UKTV (Gold, Drama and Home plus others)

Viacom are waiting to see what happen and may launch bid for Scripps Networks Interactive.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/d...ecome-one.html

An interesting development, I would rather Discovery bought Scripps than Viacom as they are now embracing the FTA market, whereas Viacom seem to generally prefer encryption of their channels. I think it's only the Viacom music channels that are encrypted now.

OLD BOY 19-07-2017 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908458)
It's owned by ITV, so I don't think that Sky could stop it going onto the BT platform, especially as Sky would no longer be paying for carriage & playout.

From what you've said it sounds ripe for closure, they could just put The Americans onto ITV3, but the sudden FTA tests may indicate that ITV will try to go it alone as a FTA channel.

If ITV get a Freeview slot for it, it would end up on BT's platform by default!

Good points; I agree entirely about BT.

As for The Americans, that would be good to put on the main ITV channel, as I believe that only the first series was shown there. Given the small audience for ITV Encore, most people would welcome that as new programming.

cheekyangus 19-07-2017 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35908474)
Good points; I agree entirely about BT.

As for The Americans, that would be good to put on the main ITV channel, as I believe that only the first series was shown there. Given the small audience for ITV Encore, most people would welcome that as new programming.

It was 2 seasons of The Americans on the main ITV channel, before they temporarily decided to drop it, as I recall. I've definitely seen more than one season.

Media Boy UK 19-07-2017 20:27

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July List update - July 19th update.

Keep up-to-date on the latest news on upcoming channel launches and other important events across all platforms of Virgin Media UK and Virgin Media Ireland.

NOTE: I DO NOT WORK FOR VIRGIN MEDIA UK OR VIRGIN MEDIA IRELAND SO ALL THE INFORMATION ON THIS LIST IS STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Colours on my list are as followed:

Media Boy = New Info just added.
Media Boy = Virgin Media UK/Ireland News and links.
Media Boy = Local TV news, other Media news/Things.

=== Coming up on Virgin's Digital TV ===
=== Freeviews on Virgin Media UK OR Ireland ===
CBS Reality, Horror, CBS Action, CBS Drama, CBS Reality +1 and Horror +1 are all having an freeview to all Customers on Virgin UK Channels 148, 149, 192, 197, 201 and 202 right now untill December 31st 2017.

=== Sometime in 2017 (Testing or Confirm) ===
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch Cartoon Network HD soon.
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch E4 HD soon.
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch Film4 HD soon.
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch More4 HD soon.
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch SyFy HD soon.
-Virgin Media Ireland will launch Universal Channel HD soon.
-Virgin Media UK will launch BBC Radio Cymru 2 soon.

=== July ===
23rd. Sky Cinema will rebrand Sky Cinema Tom Hanks HD as Sky Cinema Superheroes HD on Virgin UK Channel 404 and Virgin Ireland Channel 337.
23rd. Sky Cinema will rebrand Sky Cinema Tom Hanks as Sky Cinema Superheroes on Virgin UK Channel 434 and Virgin Ireland Channel 307.
24th. Sky Sports will rebrand Sky Sports The Open HD as Sky Sports Golf HD on Virgin UK Channel 505 and Virgin Ireland Channel 434.
24th. Sky Sports will rebrand Sky Sports The Open as Sky Sports Golf on Virgin UK Channel 515 and Virgin Ireland Channel 404.

30th. Disney will rebrand Spider Man Channel back to Disney XD +1 today on Virgin UK Channel 708.

=== August ===
21st. Sky Cinema will rebrand Sky Cinema Superheroes HD as Sky Cinema Greats HD on Virgin UK Channel 404 and Virgin Ireland Channel 337.
21st. Sky Cinema will rebrand Sky Cinema Superheroes as Sky Cinema Greats on Virgin UK Channel 434 and Virgin Ireland Channel 307.


=== September ===
No News...

=== October ===
No News...

=== November ===
No News...

=== December ===
No News...

=== January 2018 ===
No News...

=== February 2018 ===
No News...

=== March 2018 ===
No News...

=== April 2018 ===
No News...

=== May 2018 ===
No News...

=== June 2018 ===
No News...

=== July 2018 ===
No News...

=== August 2018 ===
No News...

=== Autumn 2018 ===
-BBC Scotland to launch BBC Scotland on Virgin UK Channel TBC.

=== September 2018 ===
No News...

=== October 2018 ===
No News...

=== November 2018 ===
No News...

=== December 2018 ===
No News...

=== Local TV on Virgin Media ===
[COLOR=blue]-All the following Local TV broadcasters may launch soon on Virgin UK Channel 159:

-That's Lancashire
-That's Manchester
-That's Oxfordshire
-That's Solent - CHANNEL TESTING ON VIRGIN MEDIA UK.
-STV2 Ayrshire
-STV2 Dundee
-Made in North Wales
-That's Thames Valley [Berkshire]

=== Unknown dates ===
-The BBC hope to launch English regional variants of its existing BBC One HD service as well as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland editions of BBC Two HD - but still need to be approved by the BBC Trust.

=== Channels ONLY in Virgin Media Ireland areas ===
List last updated on January 5th 2017.

ONLY TV CHANNELS THAT ONLY BROADCAST IN THE UK ON OTHER NETWORKS WILL APPEAR ON THIS PART OF THE LIST.

ALSO THE FOLLOWING LIST OF CHANNELS IS CURRENTLY BROADCASTING ON VIRGIN MEDIA IRELAND BUT NOT ON VIRGIN MEDIA UK:


Documentaries/News:
-History HD
-Crime + Investigation HD
-RT

Lifestyle:
-Fashion TV

Music:
-MTV Classic

Kids:
-Disney Channel HD

Specialist:
-EWTN

Radio:
-UCB Ireland

Channels only in Virgin Media Ireland areas.

©copyright 2017 Media Boy 2006 - 2017. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

==== Virgin Media's Deals with broadcasters ===
Full list now at: http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/p...adcasters.html

This part of list has now moved to my blog - follow link.

=== What is Media Boy on about??? ===
Here is what I mean when I post the following on Cable Forum:

Virgin Sources - means just that.
'Do Not Post' order - means an Virgin insider has given me some info on things that set to happen but has told me not to reveal it right now.

=== Media Boy Extra info: ===
Liberty Global - http://www.lgi.com/
Media Boy Blog - For all things Virgin UK and Ireland - http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/
Follow Virgin Media UK on ''twitter'' here - http://twitter.com/virginmedia
Follow Virgin Media Ireland on ''twitter'' here - https://twitter.com/VirginMediaIE
See Nialli's blog on Virgin Media High Definition & TiVo Services here - http://vmhd.blogspot.com/


=== Ask Media Boy ===
Last updated January 5th 2017.

Q: WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT VIRGIN MEDIA FROM?
A: Media Boy HQ gets all info from Virgin Media UK viewers, some Virgin Media UK workers (I called them Virgin UK Sources) and Web Sites (NOTE: When I used web sites I will post an link to that web site).

Q: WHY HAVE YOU ADDED 'ONLY IN VIRGIN MEDIA IRELAND AREAS' AND INFORMATION ON VIRGIN MEDIA IRELAND ON THIS THREAD IS FOR VIRGIN MEDIA UK?
A: Virgin Media Ireland is now part of Virgin Media and are both owned by Liberty Global. And you voted for Media Boy HQ to join both Virgin Media UK and Virgin Media Ireland threads from January 2016.

Q: WHY AM I NOT GETTING ''DISNEY CHANNEL HD'' FOR?
A: Disney Channel HD is only broadcasting in Virgin Media Ireland areas right now.

==== See you later ===
List last updated on July 19th 2017.

Next update: TBC.

A) If Virgin Media UK/Ireland are set to launch more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) in Virgin Media UK/Ireland areas.
B) If Virgin Media UK/Ireland are set to move more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) about in Virgin Media UK/Ireland areas.
C) If Virgin Media UK/Ireland are set to close or repackage more then TWO channels (TV or Radio) in Virgin Media UK/Ireland areas.

©copyright 2017 Media Boy 2006 - 2017. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

RichardCoulter 19-07-2017 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35908484)
It was 2 seasons of The Americans on the main ITV channel, before they temporarily decided to drop it, as I recall. I've definitely seen more than one season.

If they do decide to get rid of ITV Encore, let's hope that The Americans is put back into ITV as opposed to ITV3 so that all those that want to watch it can get it in HD.

This channel has turned out to be a bit of a damp squib, it's a shame as I had high hopes for it.

Just been looking through MB's post, it doesn't look like VM are in as much of a hurry to achieve channel parity between VM UK & VM Ireland as they were with NTL & Telewest.

Media Boy UK 22-07-2017 16:53

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Media Boy sources has give us an new DNP order within the last 24 hours.

jj20x 22-07-2017 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35908782)
Media Boy sources has give us an new DNP order within the last 24 hours.

Just what we need, it's getting very quiet around here. :p:

I may have some news for later, when the data has been sorted.

theone2k10 22-07-2017 19:46

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Sources are telling me that vm may bid for scripps, didn't vm once sell their share?

Ddonald2016 22-07-2017 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35908793)
Sources are telling me that vm may bid for scripps, didn't vm once sell their share?

What do Scripps currently own

RichardCoulter 22-07-2017 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35908793)
Sources are telling me that vm may bid for scripps, didn't vm once sell their share?

IIRC VM originally sold their 50% stake to Scripps.

This was after they had decided to pull out of owning content themselves and this stake was sold before selling their wholly owned channels off to Sky.

---------- Post added at 19:22 ---------- Previous post was at 19:18 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35908795)
What do Scripps currently own


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scri...ks_Interactive

theone2k10 22-07-2017 20:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908796)
IIRC VM originally sold their 50% stake to Scripps.

This was after they had decided to pull out of owning content themselves and this stake was sold before selling their wholly owned channels off to Sky.

---------- Post added at 19:22 ---------- Previous post was at 19:18 ----------




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scri...ks_Interactive

Food network is a channel i enjoy tbh as love diners drive-ins and dives.

jj20x 22-07-2017 23:02

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Recent changes on the Virgin Media network:

I could list multiple service name and EPG name changes associated with the changes to Sky Sports channels but won't bother as we all know what happened there. Initially, Sky Sports Main Event took the Sky Sports 1 pack codes and Sky Sports Cricket took the Sky Sports 2 pack codes. Shortly afterwards all of the Sky Sports channels were rolled over into a single pack (all packs have separate codes for SD and HD channels).

Multiple pack structures remain in place for Sky Movies.

The extra BBC Red Button channels were removed from the network and parked on dormant SID numbers in the Service Description Table. For anyone interested, SID 3904 BBC Red Button HD was parked at SID 3954. BBC Red Button 2-6, SIDs 4408-4412 were parked at 4458-4462 respectively.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35908522)
July List update - July 19th update.

=== Local TV on Virgin Media ===

All the following Local TV broadcasters may launch soon on Virgin UK Channel 159:

-STV2 Ayrshire
-STV2 Dundee

STV2 on TS 101 SID 10151 (the former STV Edinburgh) has been removed from the Edinburgh and Falkirk networks and replaced with STV2 TS 101 SID 10140 (the former STV Glasgow), which was already carried on the Glasgow & Uddingston networks. SID 10140 has also been added to Virgin Media's Dundee & Perth networks. A single feed of STV2 is now carried across the whole of the VM network in Scotland. So much for "local" television, A criticism of the state of local tv and not of Virgin Media.

Other changes involve the download services supporting VM equipment and are beyond the scope of this thread.

denphone 23-07-2017 06:59

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35908782)
Media Boy sources has give us an new DNP order within the last 24 hours.

Pretty sure some grumpy gits will faint at that news on here.:Yikes::eeek:

OLD BOY 23-07-2017 11:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908826)
Pretty sure some grumpy gits will faint at that news on here.:Yikes::eeek:

:o:

---------- Post added at 11:11 ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35908816)

STV2 on TS 101 SID 10151 (the former STV Edinburgh) has been removed from the Edinburgh and Falkirk networks and replaced with STV2 TS 101 SID 10140 (the former STV Glasgow), which was already carried on the Glasgow & Uddingston networks. SID 10140 has also been added to Virgin Media's Dundee & Perth networks. A single feed of STV2 is now carried across the whole of the VM network in Scotland. So much for "local" television, A criticism of the state of local tv and not of Virgin Media.

Other changes involve the download services supporting VM equipment and are beyond the scope of this thread.

To be honest, I don't think that small local channels will work. STV should be financially viable as it will take in a larger area, and this should be the model for local TV around the country.

Mad Max 23-07-2017 12:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35908782)
Media Boy sources has give us an new DNP order within the last 24 hours.


:sleep::sleep::sleep:

jj20x 23-07-2017 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35908848)
To be honest, I don't think that small local channels will work. STV should be financially viable as it will take in a larger area, and this should be the model for local TV around the country.

The whole project has been a total waste of money, it was badly planned from the start. These channels are now reducing their commitment to local content, with many using content from other channels as a sustaining service.

STV has added additional extra local franchises but taken that as an opportunity to kill off one of their 2 initial services, replacing it with a networked service serving the "city" of Scotland.

Not quite local any longer. STV's ITV Network franchise has 4 regional opt-outs but the, supposedly, local STV2 channels are networked across the whole of Scotland.

It would probably have been better to set up a network of regional channels using existing infrastructure, such as the BBC's terrestrial network. Planning for city multiplexes, attempting to match local channels to relatively small areas where a spare frequency happened to be available wasn't the best method.

telegramsam 23-07-2017 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35908874)
The whole project has been a total waste of money, it was badly planned from the start. These channels are now reducing their commitment to local content, with many using content from other channels as a sustaining service.

STV has added additional extra local franchises but taken that as an opportunity to kill off one of their 2 initial services, replacing it with a networked service serving the "city" of Scotland.

Not quite local any longer. STV's ITV Network franchise has 4 regional opt-outs but the, supposedly, local STV2 channels are networked across the whole of Scotland.

It would probably have been better to set up a network of regional channels using existing infrastructure, such as the BBC's terrestrial network. Planning for city multiplexes, attempting to match local channels to relatively small areas where a spare frequency happened to be available wasn't the best method.

Have to agree with you. Made In Teesside shows so little local programs they should be sued under the trades description act. Made In Tyne & Wear which I get on Sky is just as bad. Last night for example it was showing America's Got Talent,not even a British program! They didn't even remove the Tru TV logo from the screen!

RichardCoulter 23-07-2017 18:25

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Totally agree.

As it stands a channel like Talking Pictures might as well have wrapped themselves as a local TV channel and shoved bits of local news read from the local newspaper as a filler instead of the Glimpses series that they use at present (although I find some of these interesting).

That way they could have tapped into the subsidies available- at least they would be providing their own material.

I guess there's a possibility that a new channel might deploy this strategy (unless theirs a rule preventing a local TV station from becoming a quasi national channel).

Perhaps this is why the local channels on satellite are FTV encrypted and geographically restricted by VM??

Having said that, aren't they all available online??

jj20x 24-07-2017 14:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908925)
I guess there's a possibility that a new channel might deploy this strategy (unless theirs a rule preventing a local TV station from becoming a quasi national channel).

Not much thought seems to have gone into how these channels should fill the schedule for a 24 hour period. Sheffield Live TV carries audio from Sheffield Live community radio and a photo slideshow for much of the day. An odd solution as the remit of the community radio station is different from that of the tv station. It would have made more sense to have created a local tv network which these channels could opt in and out of to fill the schedule. A bespoke network could have content more appropriate to the nature of the channels.

Quote:

Perhaps this is why the local channels on satellite are FTV encrypted and geographically restricted by VM??
With the current content, encryption makes little sense. Perhaps if the channels covered local sports but they don't seem to do that.

VM seems to match coverage to terrestrial coverage as far as possible but that's not a perfect solution.

Quote:

Having said that, aren't they all available online??
Yes and no. That's TV tend to make their channels available on Freeview only, with no streaming. Made TV has live streaming of some areas, with streaming for some others "coming soon". Some of the independents are available online and I believe that STV2 is available via the STV Player.

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 10:04

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Morning MB, Everyone

Have you heard from your sources anything about Insights TV UHD coming to VM? I saw an article back in June, was wondering if discussions have taken place?

Would be quite exciting to start seeing some UHD content come through.

OLD BOY 25-07-2017 10:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35909094)
Morning MB, Everyone

Have you heard from your sources anything about Insights TV UHD coming to VM? I saw an article back in June, was wondering if discussions have taken place?

Would be quite exciting to start seeing some UHD content come through.

In discussions with Virgin Media is all I can make out at present, UC.


https://www.ibc.org/delivery/insight...h/1995.article

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909099)
In discussions with Virgin Media is all I can make out at present, UC.


https://www.ibc.org/delivery/insight...h/1995.article

Cheers, OB.

Yeah, that's the article I saw too. Sounds like discussions were going well from Insight point of view.

theone2k10 25-07-2017 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35909100)
Cheers, OB.

Yeah, that's the article I saw too. Sounds like discussions were going well from Insight point of view.

VM is one of a number of platforms insight HD are talking too, we think a vm deal is very close.

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909115)
VM is one of a number of platforms insight HD are talking too, we think a vm deal is very close.

Thanks, theone.

Do you think it will be included in the XL TV pack(Full House)?

OLD BOY 25-07-2017 12:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909115)
VM is one of a number of platforms insight HD are talking too, we think a vm deal is very close.

Does anyone think an announcement may be coming for the autumn season giving us a whole range of new content? It feels to me that a number of things are starting to come together. VM has announced late last year that they will be bringing in new stuff with the V6 in mind, including the film store, and now we hear about the kids material, Insight, and of course not forgetting Amazon, who were said at one time to be about to launch on the platform.

If they did this in one big hit, it would be very attractive for potential new subscribers just before Christmas and would please existing customers no end!

denphone 25-07-2017 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909117)
Does anyone think an announcement may be coming for the autumn season giving us a whole range of new content? It feels to me that a number of things are starting to come together. VM has announced late last year that they will be bringing in new stuff with the V6 in mind, including the film store, and now we hear about the kids material, Insight, and of course not forgetting Amazon, who were said at one time to be about to launch on the platform.

If they did this in one big hit, it would be very attractive for potential new subscribers just before Christmas and would please existing customers no end!

Hope springs eternal OB..;)

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909117)
Does anyone think an announcement may be coming for the autumn season giving us a whole range of new content? It feels to me that a number of things are starting to come together. VM has announced late last year that they will be bringing in new stuff with the V6 in mind, including the film store, and now we hear about the kids material, Insight, and of course not forgetting Amazon, who were said at one time to be about to launch on the platform.

If they did this in one big hit, it would be very attractive for potential new subscribers just before Christmas and would please existing customers no end!

Hope you're onto something, OB.

Could be a very good Autumn/Winter season if these things start coming together.

Mad Max 25-07-2017 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909117)
Does anyone think an announcement may be coming for the autumn season giving us a whole range of new content? It feels to me that a number of things are starting to come together. VM has announced late last year that they will be bringing in new stuff with the V6 in mind, including the film store, and now we hear about the kids material, Insight, and of course not forgetting Amazon, who were said at one time to be about to launch on the platform.

If they did this in one big hit, it would be very attractive for potential new subscribers just before Christmas and would please existing customers no end!


No..............:D

denphone 25-07-2017 14:30

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Good old Max forever the pessimistic Victor..;)

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35909131)
No..............:D

hahaha brilliant :D:D

muppetman11 25-07-2017 16:20

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Even in UHD it wouldn't tempt me to watch much from Insight.

Ultimate.Conj 25-07-2017 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909154)
Even in UHD it wouldn't tempt me to watch much from Insight.

Be interesting if VM add it into a package or it's a subscription video service.

If it's in the XL Pack for example, I'll probably have a browse around. Not sure I'd pay extra for it.

Ddonald2016 25-07-2017 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35909163)
Be interesting if VM add it into a package or it's a subscription video service.

If it's in the XL Pack for example, I'll probably have a browse around. Not sure I'd pay extra for it.

We really do need proper uhd content from sky anything else is a cheap substitute

Raider999 25-07-2017 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35909169)
We really do need proper uhd content from sky anything else is a cheap substitute

I thought they would have had the Premiership Football in UHD this season.

theone2k10 25-07-2017 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35909116)
Thanks, theone.

Do you think it will be included in the XL TV pack(Full House)?

From info we have it should be in the M+ pack as Insight are trying to get on bt tv too, they aren't interested in talking to talktalk but want to go on both skygo and nowtv.
We imagine on skygo and nowtv it will just be HD.

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909117)
Does anyone think an announcement may be coming for the autumn season giving us a whole range of new content? It feels to me that a number of things are starting to come together. VM has announced late last year that they will be bringing in new stuff with the V6 in mind, including the film store, and now we hear about the kids material, Insight, and of course not forgetting Amazon, who were said at one time to be about to launch on the platform.

If they did this in one big hit, it would be very attractive for potential new subscribers just before Christmas and would please existing customers no end!

What you're saying does tie in with info we have, we have been told the final quarter of this year things will happen on vm tv platform.

RichardCoulter 25-07-2017 20:49

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Sky Atlantic VIP is to start on Sky. This will allow VIP customers to view new series before they are shown on Sky Atlantic.

A VIP customer is someone who has had an account for three years or more.

This could pave the way for Sky Atlantic to come to VM etc, whilst allowing Sky to still keep a form of exclusivity for their own customers ;)

muppetman11 25-07-2017 21:32

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Oh massive exclusivity all 24 hrs of it.

Chad 25-07-2017 23:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909183)
Sky Atlantic VIP is to start on Sky. This will allow VIP customers to view new series before they are shown on Sky Atlantic.

A VIP customer is someone who has had an account for three years or more.

This could pave the way for Sky Atlantic to come to VM etc, whilst allowing Sky to still keep a form of exclusivity for their own customers ;)

I think the SKY Atlantic VIP channel launches properly next Wednesday. I watched a show on it tonight called Rock and a Hard Place. It was pretty good.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...07/1.jpg:large

Dave42 25-07-2017 23:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35909176)
I thought they would have had the Premiership Football in UHD this season.

no way are sky gonna let anyone have UHD football they gonna keep it just like SA

Chad 26-07-2017 00:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35909198)
no way are sky gonna let anyone have UHD football they gonna keep it just like SA

Totally agree. They're trying to maintain and create as many unique selling points as possible. In the ever evolving world of pay TV you've got to offer content and exclusives your competitors can't. BT have adopted this approach with their 4k content and AMC.

I'm sure at some point Virgin will come up with their own game changer exclusive to their platform.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2017 00:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909189)
Oh massive exclusivity all 24 hrs of it.

I had assumed that it would be a sort of Sky Atlantic A for Sky VIP customers and a Sky Atlantic B for non VIP customers/other platforms and that it would be something along the lines of how ITV Encore was to have been ie new series on the premium version that are shown sometime later on the B version.

They could also get away with showing the old GOT series etc on the B version as many won't have sent them. Maybe agree to let customers out of contract have it early as a retention tool at no extra cost to themselves.

Is it definitely going to effectively be a +24 channel?

Chad 26-07-2017 01:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909201)
I had assumed that it would be a sort of Sky Atlantic A for Sky VIP customers and a Sky Atlantic B for non VIP customers/other platforms and that it would be something along the lines of how ITV Encore was to have been ie new series on the premium version that are shown sometime later on the B version.

They could also get away with showing the old GOT series etc on the B version as many won't have sent them. Maybe agree to let customers out of contract have it early as a retention tool at no extra cost to themselves.

Is it definitely going to effectively be a +24 channel?

My understanding when I signed up for SKY VIP a couple of months back was that I'd get to see shows "exclusively" ahead of their actual broadcast on SKY. It didn't specify it was going to be SKY Atlantic content however that looks like the road they've gone down. Don't think it's planned as a +24 channel. Should get a better idea later today when I can look forward on the EPG.

denphone 26-07-2017 08:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909189)
Oh massive exclusivity all 24 hrs of it.

Good grief you do seem to have become more rebellious lately me dear.;)

OLD BOY 26-07-2017 09:54

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35909169)
We really do need proper uhd content from sky anything else is a cheap substitute

It will come, but not immediately. Sky will want to milk this for all it's worth to sign up new customers before allowing VM to get it.

I would imagine it will take two to three years before the Sky premium channels may appear on Virgin. And if VM have acquired exclusive rights of their own in the meantime, this will serve to oil the wheels.

Dave42 26-07-2017 10:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909216)
It will come, but not immediately. Sky will want to milk this for all it's worth to sign up new customers before allowing VM to get it.

I would imagine it will take two to three years before the Sky premium channels may appear on Virgin. And if VM have acquired exclusive rights of their own in the meantime, this will serve to oil the wheels.

like it does for BT you mean when trying to get sky channels it didn't help them at all

Media Boy UK 26-07-2017 12:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35909094)
Morning MB, Everyone

Have you heard from your sources anything about Insights TV UHD coming to VM? I saw an article back in June, was wondering if discussions have taken place?

Would be quite exciting to start seeing some UHD content come through.

No news on that channel.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909183)
Sky Atlantic VIP is to start on Sky. This will allow VIP customers to view new series before they are shown on Sky Atlantic.

A VIP customer is someone who has had an account for three years or more.

This could pave the way for Sky Atlantic to come to VM etc, whilst allowing Sky to still keep a form of exclusivity for their own customers ;)

No comment.

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Asia TV Web site is reporting that Star Life OK is to rebrand as Star Bharat in August.

Star Life OK is on Virgin UK Channel 804.

https://www.bizasialive.com/life-ok-...bharat-august/

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908458)
An interesting development, I would rather Discovery bought Scripps than Viacom as they are now embracing the FTA market, whereas Viacom seem to generally prefer encryption of their channels. I think it's only the Viacom music channels that are encrypted now.

Here some bad news for you!!!

a516Digital is now reporting that Viacom has enters a race for Food Network owner.

According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, members of the Scripps family will make a decision over the fate of their company next week.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/v...d-network.html

theone2k10 26-07-2017 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35909198)
no way are sky gonna let anyone have UHD football they gonna keep it just like SA

So how come UHD football is on BT then?
I'm just pulling your leg mate i knew what you meant i agree i don't think SKY will allow their UHD footie on any other platform, i don't think BT will allow theirs on other platforms either.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35909200)
Totally agree. They're trying to maintain and create as many unique selling points as possible. In the ever evolving world of pay TV you've got to offer content and exclusives your competitors can't. BT have adopted this approach with their 4k content and AMC.

I'm sure at some point Virgin will come up with their own game changer exclusive to their platform.

A box that actually works? :p:

Ddonald2016 26-07-2017 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909254)
So how come UHD football is on BT then?
I'm just pulling your leg mate i knew what you meant i agree i don't think SKY will allow their UHD footie on any other platform, i don't think BT will allow theirs on other platforms either.

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A box that actually works? :p:

How about the 5 month late virgin store, some UHD content worth watching and getting some missing channel

OLD BOY 26-07-2017 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35909221)
like it does for BT you mean when trying to get sky channels it didn't help them at all

That is a completely different story!

Am I not right in saying that BT don't carry Sky Sports in HD to this day? They also have fewer Sky Sports channels.

BT and Sky are at war, whereas VM and Sky have a much better relationship these days.

EDIT: Sky Sports Main Event HD is on BT YouView and UHD boxes.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35909265)
How about the 5 month late virgin store, some UHD content worth watching and getting some missing channel

You will need to be patient, but it is just possible that some big changes will be announced for the autumn/winter period.

But I would not have thought that Sky UHD anything will arrive just yet, but some other UHD content is a distinct possibility.

No concrete information yet, but watch this space!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35909223)

Here some bad news for you!!!

a516Digital is now reporting that Viacom has enters a race for Food Network owner.

According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, members of the Scripps family will make a decision over the fate of their company next week.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/v...d-network.html

Here is a bit more detail on that story.

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/72285...ipps-takeover/

denphone 26-07-2017 14:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909254)
So how come UHD football is on BT then?
I'm just pulling your leg mate i knew what you meant i agree i don't think SKY will allow their UHD footie on any other platform, i don't think BT will allow theirs on other platforms either.

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A box that actually works? :p:

Our two work like a cat chasing the mouse whilst catching it every time.:p:;)

Ultimate.Conj 26-07-2017 14:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909254)
So how come UHD football is on BT then?
I'm just pulling your leg mate i knew what you meant i agree i don't think SKY will allow their UHD footie on any other platform, i don't think BT will allow theirs on other platforms either.

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A box that actually works? :p:

To be fair, my two V6s work superbly. Not had an issue with them at all (touch wood lol) Have been able watch recordings from either box with no problems. Both are connected over Wi-Fi.

OLD BOY 26-07-2017 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35909254)

A box that actually works? :p:

That's history now, theone. The V6 has changed everything. It's just the content and UI that needs addressing now.

Richc1977 26-07-2017 14:56

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UHD content will come to VM but it will take time IMO.

SKY and BT certainly won't be sharing for sometime as it's a big USP. It is the one thing that tempts me to move to BT.

I think the mostly likely UHD content for VM will come from Discovery, I fully expect to see a Eurosport UHD in time for their Olympics coverage. I think the liberty global connection will ensure VM are at the front of the queue.

I guess the other area is UHD on demand content.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2017 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909189)
Oh massive exclusivity all 24 hrs of it.

Looks like it's not going to be a 24 hour early preview channel:

"OK it works like this

This channel will show selected programmes for about one hour in the evening around 2100, but usually only on Wednesdays. It is also on tonight at 2000.

The service will only be on air once or twice a week.

Everyone who has been with Sky on the same account CONTINUOUSLY for 3 years or more will get this automatically.

Customers who qualify for this are now regarded as "VIP" and accounts will be flagged accordingly and dealt with by a different team in CS.

The official launch of this new arrangement is 3 August 2017. This channel is a replacement for channel 889, "Sky Insider" which has already been doing the same thing for Sky staff for many years. Channel 889 is due to close soon but no date is known for this.

Hope that will clarify the situation."

Indications are that it will indeed be used as a retention tool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gs1;c-87152491
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxon Bury;c-87151801
Customer churn must be quite high (or quite costly) to make Sky create a channel specifically to prevent account renegotiation by savvy customers. The success of it will depend on how long the exclusivity lasts.

Churn (cancellations) have steadily increased from 9.8% in the quarter ending 30/9/15, to 11.6% in the quarter ending 31/12/16 to "stable" (figure not reported) in the quarter ending 31/3/17 (Source: Sky Corporate website).

In early 2016 Sky tried to restrict discounts, and they estimated that it caused 10,000 additional cancellations in a quarter.

Programming costs have escalated, largely because of Premier League rights, and they're facing stronger competition from competitors. Analysts expect Sky to report a significant drop in annual profits when they disclose their results for the year ended 30/6/17 on Thursday (27/7/17).

The loyalty scheme, changes to Sky Sports, and lack of "headline" price changes to tv, are all indications that the trading environment is harder for Sky than it's been for some time.



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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35909223)
No comment.

Indeed ;)

theone2k10 26-07-2017 15:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909279)
Our two work like a cat chasing the mouse whilst catching it every time.:p:;)

Haha :D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909284)
That's history now, theone. The V6 has changed everything. It's just the content and UI that needs addressing now.

That's what the :p: was for.

Mad Max 26-07-2017 15:56

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Quote:

It's just the content and UI that needs addressing now.
That should have been priority before any new box!

OLD BOY 26-07-2017 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35909306)
That should have been priority before any new box!

Maybe it's the economics of it all, MM. No point in putting expensive UHD content on there for early adopters only. However, given that the V6 audience has increased substantially since its launch, now might be the right time.

muppetman11 26-07-2017 17:00

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909298)
Looks like it's not going to be a 24 hour early preview channel:

"OK it works like this

This channel will show selected programmes for about one hour in the evening around 2100, but usually only on Wednesdays. It is also on tonight at 2000.

The service will only be on air once or twice a week.

Everyone who has been with Sky on the same account CONTINUOUSLY for 3 years or more will get this automatically.

Customers who qualify for this are now regarded as "VIP" and accounts will be flagged accordingly and dealt with by a different team in CS.

The official launch of this new arrangement is 3 August 2017. This channel is a replacement for channel 889, "Sky Insider" which has already been doing the same thing for Sky staff for many years. Channel 889 is due to close soon but no date is known for this.

Hope that will clarify the situation."

Indications are that it will indeed be used as a retention tool:



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Indeed ;)

Richard I'm well aware how it works , I don't need to read a thread to find out. ;)

OLD BOY 26-07-2017 17:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909298)
Looks like it's not going to be a 24 hour early preview channel:

"OK it works like this

This channel will show selected programmes for about one hour in the evening around 2100, but usually only on Wednesdays. It is also on tonight at 2000.

The service will only be on air once or twice a week.

Everyone who has been with Sky on the same account CONTINUOUSLY for 3 years or more will get this automatically.

Customers who qualify for this are now regarded as "VIP" and accounts will be flagged accordingly and dealt with by a different team in CS.

The official launch of this new arrangement is 3 August 2017. This channel is a replacement for channel 889, "Sky Insider" which has already been doing the same thing for Sky staff for many years. Channel 889 is due to close soon but no date is known for this.

Hope that will clarify the situation."

Indications are that it will indeed be used as a retention tool:

Thank you for the post.

It sounds to me like another cheap gimmick from Sky. This certainly wouln't encourage me to stay if I were a direct Sky subscriber.

I record everything first and watch at my leisure anyway!

jj20x 26-07-2017 17:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908458)
An interesting development, I would rather Discovery bought Scripps than Viacom as they are now embracing the FTA market, whereas Viacom seem to generally prefer encryption of their channels. I think it's only the Viacom music channels that are encrypted now.

They still like to think of MTV as a premium product but VIVA is FTA. That said, Viacom are also embracing the FTA market since the purchase of Channel 5 and with the launch of Spike.

Chad 26-07-2017 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909298)
Looks like it's not going to be a 24 hour early preview channel:

"OK it works like this

This channel will show selected programmes for about one hour in the evening around 2100, but usually only on Wednesdays. It is also on tonight at 2000.

The service will only be on air once or twice a week.

Everyone who has been with Sky on the same account CONTINUOUSLY for 3 years or more will get this automatically.

Customers who qualify for this are now regarded as "VIP" and accounts will be flagged accordingly and dealt with by a different team in CS.

The official launch of this new arrangement is 3 August 2017. This channel is a replacement for channel 889, "Sky Insider" which has already been doing the same thing for Sky staff for many years. Channel 889 is due to close soon but no date is known for this.

Hope that will clarify the situation."

Indications are that it will indeed be used as a retention tool:



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Indeed ;)

Here is what SKY told me on Twitter about SKY Atlantic VIP

"There'll be up to 6 new shows each week so keep checking the app to see what’s new"

muppetman11 26-07-2017 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35909322)
Here is what SKY told me on Twitter about SKY Atlantic VIP

"There'll be up to 6 new shows each week so keep checking the app to see what’s new"

Like I've said Ballers Episode 1 is on tonight 24 hrs before it airs on Sky Atlantic.

New Rock and a hard Place was on last night and airs tonight on Sky Atlantic.

theone2k10 26-07-2017 18:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35909204)
My understanding when I signed up for SKY VIP a couple of months back was that I'd get to see shows "exclusively" ahead of their actual broadcast on SKY. It didn't specify it was going to be SKY Atlantic content however that looks like the road they've gone down. Don't think it's planned as a +24 channel. Should get a better idea later today when I can look forward on the EPG.

Didn't even know about sky vip until i saw your post lol, i checked the app and there it was for now i'm silver but still got a free dvd worth £13.99 i opted for john wick chapter 2, the twitter team told me to expect more rewards and keep a eye on the app and my email inbox.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2017 19:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909315)
Richard I'm well aware how it works , I don't need to read a thread to find out. ;)

You said that you thought that it was a channel showing material 24 hours before non VIP customers; it appears that this is not the case.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35909322)
Here is what SKY told me on Twitter about SKY Atlantic VIP

"There'll be up to 6 new shows each week so keep checking the app to see what’s new"

Maybe some shows will be shown 24 hours early on it then??

I suppose this is all rather academic for VM customers as we aren't likely to get it, but the standard version of SA could now be a possibility.

muppetman11 26-07-2017 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909335)
You said that you thought that it was a channel showing material 24 hours before non VIP customers; it appears that this is not the case.

Ballers S3 Ep 1 on tonight 24 hours before it airs tomorrow on Sky Atlantic
Rock and a Hard Place was on yesterday 24 hrs before it airs on Sky Atlantic.

Checking the app tells you this. Chad has already stated how much content will be on. I don't mean it's a channel showing all Sky Atlantic content 24hrs before it airs just selected content.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2017 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909337)
Ballers S3 Ep 1 on tonight 24 hours before it airs tomorrow on Sky Atlantic
Rock and a Hard Place was on yesterday 24 hrs before it airs on Sky Atlantic.

Checking the app tells you this. Chad has already stated how much content will be on. I don't mean it's a channel showing all Sky Atlantic content 24hrs before it airs just selected content.

Thanks for clarifying.

A new sports channel is said to be launching on one of the temporary Freeview muxes on 31/8/17.

It is to be called 'Freesports' and designed "to bring all your favourite sports to Freeview".

Setanta are believed to be behind this. Aren't they owned by Eir Sport now?

Wonder if VM will pick this up?

Media Boy UK 26-07-2017 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909341)
Thanks for clarifying.

A new sports channel is said to be launching on one of the temporary Freeview muxes on 31/8/17.

It is to be called 'Freesports' and designed "to bring all your favourite sports to Freeview".

Setanta are believed to be behind this. Aren't they owned by Eir Sport now?

Wonder if VM will pick this up?

Wikipedia (Only info we can find) say that Premier Sports is own by Premier Media.

Setanta was took over by Eir some years ago (Eir is something like BT).

We found that Premier Sports do broadcast Eir Sport (With Irish ads) when broadcasting live football.

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Maybe Freesports will launch on Virgin TV later this year with Premier Sports HD.

We think due to Premier Sports launching on Virgin Media in October 2013.

http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...l-premier.html

RichardCoulter 26-07-2017 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35909355)
Wikipedia (Only info we can find) say that Premier Sports is own by Premier Media.

Setanta was took over by Eir some years ago (Eir is something like BT).

We found that Premier Sports do broadcast Eir Sport (With Irish ads) when broadcasting live football.

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Maybe Freesports will launch on Virgin TV later this year with Premier Sports HD.

We think due to Premier Sports launching on Virgin Media in October 2013.

http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...l-premier.html

Cheers MB. I wonder if Premier Media is a trading name for Setanta?? They may have wished to distance themselves from the Setanta branding following the collapse of Setanta UK.

Media Boy UK 26-07-2017 21:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909361)
Cheers MB. I wonder if Premier Media is a trading name for Setanta?? They may have wished to distance themselves from the Setanta branding following the collapse of Setanta UK.

If Television is like the real world. The owners can go into administration one day then buy an channel number on Sky from an administrator and relaunch under an new name that an later date.

Media Boy UK 27-07-2017 00:47

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
ITV Channels maybe set to be drop by Virgin Media.

Quote:

The Telegraph reports that negotiations with Virgin Media over carriage of ITV2 in August could be extended to cover the main ITV channel. A failure to reach an agreement could lead to Virgin Media viewers having to switch to Freeview, satellite or online streaming to continue watching ITV channels.
http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/i...drop-with.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ll-ad-revenue/

RichardCoulter 27-07-2017 02:40

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909341)
Thanks for clarifying.

A new sports channel is said to be launching on one of the temporary Freeview muxes on 31/8/17.

It is to be called 'Freesports' and designed "to bring all your favourite sports to Freeview".

Setanta are believed to be behind this. Aren't they owned by Eir Sport now?

Wonder if VM will pick this up?

Looks like we will be getting Freesports on VM:

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/n...to-launch.html

denphone 27-07-2017 07:50

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35909378)

That will not happen MB.

OLD BOY 27-07-2017 08:47

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35909378)

Given that advertising revenues are falling, any closure of the ITV channels on VM will surely reduce them further. Not the best strategy for ITV I've ever heard.

Maybe VM need to add TV Player to their apps, or maybe You View, to avoid these charges and ensure that Virgin viewers without an aerial can still receive ITV programming.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909383)
That will not happen MB.

I wouldn't bet on it, Den, but I think if such a move significantly dented audience share, ITV would do an embarrassing retreat.

denphone 27-07-2017 09:09

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
ITV delude themselves of their own inflated importance OB.

cheekyangus 27-07-2017 10:09

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909341)
Thanks for clarifying.

A new sports channel is said to be launching on one of the temporary Freeview muxes on 31/8/17.

It is to be called 'Freesports' and designed "to bring all your favourite sports to Freeview".

Setanta are believed to be behind this. Aren't they owned by Eir Sport now?

Wonder if VM will pick this up?

The choice of name is amusing because back in 2003/4 a company called CBM said they were going to launch a channel on Freeview devoted to lower profile sports called Freesport which clearly never launched despite the talk.

Gavin-D 27-07-2017 11:28

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909383)
That will not happen MB.

It's happened before with the Sky channels so it could easily happen again

theone2k10 27-07-2017 11:52

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909392)
ITV delude themselves of their own inflated importance OB.

Agreed, itv is not the quality it once was.

denphone 27-07-2017 12:05

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35909424)
It's happened before with the Sky channels so it could easily happen again

Not here it won't...

dodgem22 27-07-2017 12:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Didnt the article say Liberty Global are major shareholders of ITV if thats the case surely they would not want to upset their shareholders by forcing Virgins hand or would it not be take the money out of one hand and give it to the other??

muppetman11 27-07-2017 12:39

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909432)
Not here it won't...

Borrowed Chad's Crystal Ball have we ;)

denphone 27-07-2017 12:42

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909439)
Borrowed Chad's Crystal Ball have we ;)

No because l still have got your old one oh great sage..;)

Chad 27-07-2017 12:43

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35909439)
Borrowed Chad's Crystal Ball have we ;)

It's a very reliable source :erm:

Joedm45 27-07-2017 13:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Certainly an interesting stance by ITV if it goes ahead.

I'll just be watching ITV through their ITV Hub on Smart TV instead and I'm sure many others will too.

A bit of a false threat IMO

RichardCoulter 27-07-2017 13:15

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodgem22 (Post 35909434)
Didnt the article say Liberty Global are major shareholders of ITV if thats the case surely they would not want to upset their shareholders by forcing Virgins hand or would it not be take the money out of one hand and give it to the other??

Apparently, because of this, Sky are re-evaluating what they pay for ITV Encore exclusivity and VM what they pay for ITVBe HD exclusivity.

I think the pay TV companies are bracing themselves to pay a retransmission fees at a certain level, but negating this cost from subsidising other ITV channels.

It may mean that we get ITV Encore and Sky get ITVBe in HD.

RobboEdin 27-07-2017 13:52

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
I didn't think ITV could withhold ITV1 from any platform?

vincerooney 27-07-2017 15:20

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909383)
That will not happen MB.

No it won't happen. Its a total bluff. ITV would lose MILLIONS by doing this in terms of ad money which they live on.

VM are basically saying "dont be stupid we arent paying that" and ITV are looking for a quick pay day. No way will this ever occur. If it does i will buy a hat and eat said hat live on webcam in front of everyone.

Its all a game for both parties and we'll see who blinks first.

denphone 27-07-2017 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35909477)
No it won't happen. Its a total bluff. ITV would lose MILLIONS by doing this in terms of ad money which they live on.

VM are basically saying "dont be stupid we arent paying that" and ITV are looking for a quick pay day. No way will this ever occur. If it does i will buy a hat and eat said hat live on webcam in front of everyone.

Its all a game for both parties and we'll see who blinks first.

Now that would be a sight well worse seeing Vince :D whilst driving millions of traffic towards CF ready to watch your historic moment of infamy.;)

OLD BOY 27-07-2017 17:09

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Viacom is reported to have pulled out of the bidding process for Scripps, leaving Discovery as the favourite to take over.

I would like to think that all of these acquisitions which involve Liberty Global will actually benefit Virgin Media subscribers.

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/72353...-to-discovery/

RichardCoulter 27-07-2017 17:52

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35909465)
I didn't think ITV could withhold ITV1 from any platform?

Only until 31/8/17 when the law changes.

Gavin-D 27-07-2017 19:44

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909497)
Only until 31/8/17 when the law changes.

I thought the law changed this month, not August?

telegramsam 27-07-2017 19:47

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909497)
Only until 31/8/17 when the law changes.

What law has changed exactly?

jj20x 27-07-2017 20:31

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35909518)
What law has changed exactly?

It is explained in the following links but it is quite clear that ITV's expectation of a fee from VM is at odds with what the government had originally planned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-virgin-media/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ll-ad-revenue/

muppetman11 27-07-2017 21:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35909389)
Given that advertising revenues are falling

Advertising revenues are falling on TV , clearly to the benefit of others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40732036

telegramsam 27-07-2017 21:07

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35909524)
It is explained in the following links but it is quite clear that ITV's expectation of a fee from VM is at odds with what the government had originally planned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-virgin-media/
Interesting reads,thanks for enlightening me. My opinion is Virgin will refuse to pay and remove ITV from their channel line up,advertisers will be up in arms and eventually ITV will come to some arrangement with Virgin. Looks very much like the Sky farce all over again!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ll-ad-revenue/


jj20x 27-07-2017 22:15

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35909532)
Interesting reads,thanks for enlightening me. My opinion is Virgin will refuse to pay and remove ITV from their channel line up,advertisers will be up in arms and eventually ITV will come to some arrangement with Virgin. Looks very much like the Sky farce all over again!

VM could possibly attempt to offset the "copyright" fee with carriage fees, interesting times ahead.

RichardCoulter 28-07-2017 01:52

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I think that they will probably come to an agreement and pay less than what ITV want as a compromise.

Then when any contracts expire, VM/Sky will stop subsidising channels such as ITVBe & ITV Encore to recoup some or all of the charges.

Freesport have now confirmed that they will be available on all platforms, not sure if this means it will be on VM from launch though on 31/8/17.

It will show rugby, football etc. I was a bit worried that as a free sports channel it would be showing the tiddlywinks final of something!

jj20x 28-07-2017 03:36

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909544)
I think that they will probably come to an agreement and pay less than what ITV want as a compromise.

Then when any contracts expire, VM/Sky will stop subsidising channels such as ITVBe & ITV Encore to recoup some or all of the charges.

As I understand it, the payment ITV wish to receive is a re-transmission fee for the PSB content over which they hold copyright. Originally it was planned to remove a loophole that allowed third parties to stream PSB content over the internet, without payment to the PSB. ITV now seems to have seen an opportunity to extend this to cable.

Although ITV and other PSB broadcasters have expressed a desire for all subscription platforms to pay for the PSB content, it's not so easy to ask Sky for this fee. PSB's providing their own transponders on satellite, and paying Sky for regionalised coverage in the EPG, can hardly claim that something they effectively transmit themselves should carry a "re-transmission" fee. So it doesn't really apply to Sky.

So, they seem to want, not only to get away with not providing their own infrastructure on cable, but to also charge the cableco for the privilege of re-transmitting the service on their behalf. A penalty for operating a closed system perhaps.

The situation is not really what the government intended. They made it clear when the change of law was proposed that they didn't expect it to lead to additional charges. If I remember correctly, it was stated that they would have to take another look at the situation if charges were introduced. Unfortunately, the government now appears to be backing away from that stance and leaving the decision on any new charging structure to the market.

https://www.ft.com/content/037019ae-...f-79eb4891c97d

Obviously, any charges imposed on the cableco would have to be passed on to the end user. So cable viewers get to pay for the PSB's through the advertising budget overheads in any goods they purchase, as with users of other platforms. Then they get to pay again through any supplementary fees charged by the cableco. Not the fairest of charges is it?

Inactive Digital 28-07-2017 08:06

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
There will be two reactions from customers; those who don't see why they should have to pay for a PSB channel that others can access on Freeview, so would prefer a blackout on Virgin, and those who feel they pay good money to Virgin every month yet would be unable to view the country's most popular commercial channel.

I don't have Virgin TV, but if I did I'd be in the first group. But then I rarely watch the channel anyway.

ITV does need to tread carefully - a blackout on Virgin could do significant harm to their, already faltering, ad revenues.

OLD BOY 28-07-2017 10:24

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Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35909561)
There will be two reactions from customers; those who don't see why they should have to pay for a PSB channel that others can access on Freeview, so would prefer a blackout on Virgin, and those who feel they pay good money to Virgin every month yet would be unable to view the country's most popular commercial channel.

I don't have Virgin TV, but if I did I'd be in the first group. But then I rarely watch the channel anyway.

ITV does need to tread carefully - a blackout on Virgin could do significant harm to their, already faltering, ad revenues.

Agreed. Maybe VM should just put the TV Player app on the system and people could access ITV that way during the blackout, which I think would be fairly short lived.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909544)

I think that they will probably come to an agreement and pay less than what ITV want as a compromise.

Then when any contracts expire, VM/Sky will stop subsidising channels such as ITVBe & ITV Encore to recoup some or all of the charges.

Freesport have now confirmed that they will be available on all platforms, not sure if this means it will be on VM from launch though on 31/8/17.

It will show rugby, football etc. I was a bit worried that as a free sports channel it would be showing the tiddlywinks final of something!

I don't think VM would be interested in a compromise on payment to ITV. They would not wish to concede the principle of having to make a payment in the first place.

The charge does not apply to Sky, so I see no reason for them to pull out of their support for ITV Encore.

RichardCoulter 28-07-2017 14:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)
 
Yes, ITV confirmed in a conference call yesterday that they believe that this only applies to cable and not to satellite.

My source for the implications for Sky came from this article:

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/07/i...drop-with.html

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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35909546)
As I understand it, the payment ITV wish to receive is a re-transmission fee for the PSB content over which they hold copyright. Originally it was planned to remove a loophole that allowed third parties to stream PSB content over the internet, without payment to the PSB. ITV now seems to have seen an opportunity to extend this to cable.

Although ITV and other PSB broadcasters have expressed a desire for all subscription platforms to pay for the PSB content, it's not so easy to ask Sky for this fee. PSB's providing their own transponders on satellite, and paying Sky for regionalised coverage in the EPG, can hardly claim that something they effectively transmit themselves should carry a "re-transmission" fee. So it doesn't really apply to Sky.

So, they seem to want, not only to get away with not providing their own infrastructure on cable, but to also charge the cableco for the privilege of re-transmitting the service on their behalf. A penalty for operating a closed system perhaps.

The situation is not really what the government intended. They made it clear when the change of law was proposed that they didn't expect it to lead to additional charges. If I remember correctly, it was stated that they would have to take another look at the situation if charges were introduced. Unfortunately, the government now appears to be backing away from that stance and leaving the decision on any new charging structure to the market.

https://www.ft.com/content/037019ae-...f-79eb4891c97d

Obviously, any charges imposed on the cableco would have to be passed on to the end user. So cable viewers get to pay for the PSB's through the advertising budget overheads in any goods they purchase, as with users of other platforms. Then they get to pay again through any supplementary fees charged by the cableco. Not the fairest of charges is it?

No it's not and if ITV get away with it, channel 5 look likely to follow suit from what they've said.

IIRC it was a free streaming site called TVCatchup that started all this by streaming free channels over the internet without the broadcasters permission.

ITV objected to others obtaining advertising income off the back of their programmes, so the Government changed the law which comes into affect on the 31st of this month.


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