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Britain recorded its hottest-ever day Tuesday, July 19th, with temperatures hitting a high of 40.3 degrees Celsius (104.5 degrees Fahrenheit), so does that mean that none of the racist tweets, etc occurred in the UK because the temp didn't rise above 42c?

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From the article

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1662835396

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Ahh, maybe it's because people get tetchy when it's too warm and want to lash out at others online to deal with their irritation?

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People definitely get aggressive when driving in the heat

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Some absolutely shocking posts about the passing of the Queen on social media.

James Whale was furious on Talk TV last night, he said how would they feel if such things were being said about their grandmother, mother etc who had just died. He ended by saying "This isn't free speech, it's hate speech".

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Best to just ignore it

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I have left certain online spaces because of the vitriol expressed.I don't need it in my life.I certainly won't be interacting with them.

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Vitriol- yes, that's a good way to describe it.

I know people right across the political spectrum from extreme left to extreme right with everything else inbetween.Some of them are anti monachist, which they have every right to be if they so wish in a democracy. I'm pleased to see that none of them have posted anything unpleasant the passing of the Queen.

I think that they must be following the age old advice of 'If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all' and that they must recognise that others have a different view and are upset by the news of Her Majesty leaving this Earth.

A few have made it clear that they are not royalists, but did pay their respects to the Queen as an individual for her hard work & dedication to duty.


I don't like to use the word 'died' as I share the view of the late Queen when she said "We are here to observe, to learn, to grow and to love. And then we go home".

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Inquest opens into suicide by teen after being exposed to harmful online content:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...eenagers-death

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Taken from that. From the Guardian... (the link above doesn't work)

( https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eenagers-death )

"Meta has uncovered 12,576 pieces of Instagram content seen by Molly in the six months before her death, while she had more than 15,000 engagements on Pinterest, including 3,000 saves, in the last six months of her life. During this period Molly was engaging with Instagram posts about 130 times a day on average. This included 3,500 shares during that timeframe, as well as 11,000 likes and 5,000 saves."

It's staggering the amount of time children spend on their phones or computers these days. It's a culture that seems to be the norm but is it or should it be acceptable? Sign of the times? Sad is what I call it.

I'm sure they can do more to change the algorithms, so if you do search or click on something and if it is flagged as 'harmful' then you don't get bombarded with similar information. That seems doable. But if you go in search of something purposefully then there's nothing anyone can do about it. There has to be some self-accountability / responsibility.

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Is it sad or is it modern? Is it any different to reading a book? I say this in examples that I've had against me. For instance, I get told to get off my phone when I'm sunbathing around the pool on holiday, yet lots of people are sat there reading. Yet on my phone I can do multiple things, shop, read, play, listen and watch.

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Phone do have their use, but when you see kids totally glued to them it is sad. The sense of FOMO must be horrendous for them to live with.

I was in a restaurant a couple of weeks ago, the table next to us, I presumed it was a typical family. The father had a phone that was no more than 8 inches from his face the majority of the time, even when eating. It was also the same with the wife, the son and daughter, all 4 of them spent the entire of their time looking at their phones with hardly any interaction with each other. If that's what they are like during 'family' time-out I'd hate to think what it's like at home.

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A spokesperson for Meta will today give evidence under oath to the inquest, it will be interesting to hear what they have to say about what they feel they do (or intend to do) to protect vulnerable people such as children, those with mental illnesses/disabilities etc.

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This report outlines how plans by Meta to introduce end to end encryption for Facebook Messenger will help those who wish to abuse children:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/british-h...ildren-jailed/

For balance, Meta also said

We're focused on preventing harm by banning suspicious profiles, defaulting under-18s to private or 'friends only' accounts, and more recently introduced restrictions that stop adults from messaging children they're not connected with.

"We're also encouraging people to report harmful messages to us so we can see the contents, respond swiftly and make referrals to the authorities. As we roll out this technology we're taking our time to get it right and working with outside experts to help keep people safe online."

The new Culture Secretary has said that there are no plans to water down the Online Safety Bill introduced by the Johnson Government.

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Good grief :rolleyes:

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Good, no one should be spying on my conversations, or yours, or anyone elses.

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Molly Russell verdict:

It's been found that social media was found to have played a role in a child’s death. This is the first such ruling at an inquest.

https://inews.co.uk/news/molly-russe...nquest-1887111

It was heartbreaking hearing her father on the news. I cannot imagine how it must feel to lose a child to suicide at only 14vyeats of age.

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Yes, and no-one must snoop on my snail-mails either. It’s like giving the authorities carte Blanche to read your letters before being allowed to see them. It’s the slippery slope to 1984.

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Prince William has entered the debate about the responsibilities of websites to take online safety seriously.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ributed-death/

After the Online Safety Bill became 'stuck' in Parliament after Johnson was ousted , it was stated today that it should progress through Parliament by the end of the year.

If the predictions about Truss come to fruition, I can see it being delayed again..

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We can only hope so.

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It's a difficult balancing act to get right between the privacy of the individual and measures to protect children from harm by predators.

I do have sympathy for the point made by Jaymoss in that Governments like to use emotive issues like paedophilia, terrorism etc in order to justify snooping into our lives. I doubt that they would routinely snoop on us all, just those suspected of or accused of inappropriately contacting vulnerable members of society.

Having said that, didn't it come out that more detailed records had been kept about our online activity?

IIRC they said that they were only recording dates/times etc of online/phone activity, but had actually been keeping records of phone conversations, emails etc. I could be wrong though as my memory is failing. Does anyone remember this?

I suppose the best thing to do is to assume that any posts, texts, conversations etc will be recorded and may be used against you in the future.

This could be the reason why the authorities dislike end to end encryption, though you'd think that they'd be able to circumvent this. I have read that they can circumvent password protection, maybe encryption is more secure? I really don't know.

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There is nothing difficult about it, dont spy on private conversations. Simple.
"Protection" is just an lame excuse for Big Brother [Governments] to spy on you, or control you.

You should not believe everything you read.
You cannot just "circumvent password protection".
Sure, it might look good, and work, in movies, not in real life.

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Well, hackers manage to do it, so I can believe that Governments/the police with all their sophisticated technology might be able to do it.

Isn't there a system (Brute force?) where an account is presented with password after password until it gets it right?

There again, a lot of sites block access after 3 attempts, presumably to prevent this.

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Brute force is not circumventing passwords, its a guessing game to find the actual password.

"Hacking" is a way to break into a backend system, not really circumventing the actual password.

If you think of your hourse, and locked front door, for which you have the key, then brute force is someone trying keys until they find one identical to yours. Hacking is someone smashing the kitchen window to break in.

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They have to get around my VPN first, Then as i have lastpass that changes my passwords for me so they will have to keep up with that. As far as messaging goes most of the apps i use have end to end encryption. They would have to expend a lot of time to keep reading my massages. Now think of the resources required to read millions and millions of end to end encrypted messages every day over all the different apps and vpn's used by people every day.

To be honest i think they say one thing in public and another in reality

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That's good if it regularly changes passwords on it's own, I never knew that this was possible.

I don't think that they will read any of the data collected, just when certain users are suspected of terrorism, grooming children etc.

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In his opinion .. :zzz:

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Her father looked broken when interviewed after losing his young daughter to suicide. I imagine he doesn't want any other parent to go through the same thing.

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No doubt, but Im afraid his obsession with blaming Social Media wont help, nor will the "Online Safety Bill" do much (in that respect). Its a totally misguided, heavy handed set of laws that wont achive the stated objective, but will cause massive issues for hundreds of thousands of sites that are totally harmless. I dont really know how many more times you have to be told this before it sinks in.

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When I first heard this story I thought '14 year old' - where were the parents?

I thought back to the 'Archie Battersbee' debacle, with TikTok being the blame, but something wasn't quite right there and TikTok wasn't the blame regardless of what the media stated. There's always a lot more to the story than what the media says.

But children at that age with depression / mental illness is a problem. When I was at that age there was no such thing. All I cared about was going out with friends and having the time of my life basically.

Something does needs to change. In just 2 decades, there's now a lack of discipline, lack of role models, shite parenting, easy access to porn and normalizing extremes, social media, lack of childhood as a whole, education and the need to excel or you're a failure, and not forgetting the state of this country as a whole, it is now a lot different than the 70/80/90s it must put a lot of pressure on young teens. I could go on & on. But blaming social media doesn't cut it for me. It could be restricted or supervised more for the underaged etc but who's responsibility is that?

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Turkey proposes imprisonment for those posting disinformation or fake news;

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ey-2022-10-13/

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One particularly distasteful type of troll is the 'Disaster Troll'. These people home in on people who have been or are going through a terrible time in their lives.

Victims range from people fundraising for cancer charities who have cancer themselves being called liars & fraudsters (she has since died of her condition) to people injured in the Manchester terrorist attack being called liars and being told that they are professional actors. One troll even traced someones home address to spy on them to check if they were disabled after the attack as they had claimed. I believe the woman who was spied on is to now take legal action.

Panorama gave an insight into what's going on earlier:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001ds10

Radio 4 currently has a series devoted to the subject at 9:45 (repeated at 00:30).

All episodes broadcast thus far are available here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00...0and%20threats.

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Text version of the above…

The UK terror survivors tracked down by ‘disaster trolls’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651

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Thanks, I didn't know that at least one of the trolls were making money out of doing this :shocked:

As one victim says:

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Are these not covered by existing stalking/harassment laws?

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Yes and existing laws are what she will have to rely on because, due to the shenanigans Iin Parliament, the Onlne Safety Bill isn't now expected to become law until May (was originally next month).

Existing laws will remain in place and be available to use should these be more appropriate, but the Online Safety Bill aims to make things much easier, quicker and saves complainants having to pay for legal assistance.

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This afternoons 'Feedback' covered Disaster Trolls in their first item:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001f5hl

The woman who it was claimed had taken part in the "fake' Manchester bombing and lied about her resultant disabilities is to take action for libel and I wish her every success.

Earlier, on Woman's Hour, the Internet Watch Foundation explained how children are being targeted by paedophiles and why the Online Safety Bill is needed. Again, it's the first item:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001f5fg

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Now being reported on BBC News that deep fake porn is to be made unlawful under the Online Safety Bill.

The Bill is expected to be put before Parliament in about ten days time and pass into law sometime in May.

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Tory MP warns that the takeover of Twitter by Elon Musk and his support for absolute freedom of speech could lead to stricter regulation of the internet:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63426734

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Update:

The Online Safety Bill is to be amended. As it stands, encouraging or causing people to self harm or commit suicide is classed as legal, but harmful.

The Bill will now make this a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.

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Some common sense at last.

HERE

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This relates to the 'Harmful, but legal' content.

There were fears that content deemed to be harmful, but legal, may impact on free speech. Whilst these fears have been allayed, I think that a side effect will be more legislation to deal with specific circumstances as opposed to a more generalised approach, such as the earlier announcement of the criminalisation of acts designed to encourage people to harm themselves or commit suicide.

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Indeed its good to see some common sense at last

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Now being reported on the BBC1 lunchtime news.

Those representing vulnerable adults have critiscised this, whilst those who believed that this could inhibit free speech have welcomed it.

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Do you think that saying something harmful to a vulnerable individual is acceptable/appropriate, even if it is technically legal?

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Now such thing as technically legal, it's either lawful or unlawful.

If it's lawful, whether it's appropriate or not is not relevant.

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Now confirmed by BBC news:

Instead of the 'Harmful, but legal' provisions (the most controversial part of the Bill), the Government says that to create a fair balance between protecting vulnerable individuals and free speech, they will be less prescriptive about legal, but harmful content and make the most harmful of comments completely illegal.

There are pros & cons to both approaches as making a general law saves having to pass numerous pieces of legislation, but this could give rise to people innocently falling foul of the law.

Having to pass numerous pieces of legislation clogs up Parliament with potentially unnecessary time consuming work- but everyone gets to know where they stand before posting something.

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There are individuals causing people to become so upset and depressed that they want to end their own life. Some of these people are already suffering after being caught up in acts of terrorism.

Do you think that this is ok because it's not illegal at the moment?

The Government seems to be trying to make things clearer now by going down the route of making each situation illegal as it arises rather than a 'catch all' piece of legislation. As I said earlier, there are pros & cons to both approaches to deal with this problem.

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I'd have to know the particulars of each incident to have a view on it.

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Thats hardly new, thats always happened, long before the internet ever existed.
We dont need draconian, vague, catch all laws for everything, far too much nanny state again.
The internet is not forced on anyone, and all this 'material' just doesnt magically jump out at people, you have to go looking for it.

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A lot of people believed that the catch all provision would also hinder free speech or lead to a situation where something said verbally became illegal if presented in word form.

The Government has decided to amend this and instead create specific laws to deal with the most serious of offences- it's good that people across the board are having their points of view listened to and, like a lot of legislation, a compromise has been made.

Not everyone is happy though, the father of Molly Russell (the girl who lost her life) has today accused the Government of "watering down the Bill".

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I've just been watching an interview from todays This Morning programme. Mollys father and Michelle Donelan the Secretary for Culture, Media & Sport appeared together.

The Secretary for the DCMS said that this new approach to the harmful but legal content is actually better. She went on to say that the legal but harmful provisions would be retained for children.

For adults she said that websites would have to say whether they allowed legal, but harmful content. If they didn't allow it users would be protected, if they did the person then had an opportunity to block the site.

Instead of ignoring complaints, websites will now be obliged to remove illegal content or content that breaches their own terms & conditions.

Websites will also have to give users more control over what they see. Age verification was mentioned, so I assume that age verification will be required to ensure that under 18's aren't exposed to legal, but harmful content. She also said that young people today are tech savvy and know how to get around restrictions eg by lying about their age when registering.- age verification will allow websites owners to keep out under 18's and stop them from falling foul of the law by inadvertently exposing young people to inappropriate material. This is important when you consider that they could face substantial fines or even imprisonment for doing so.

Mollys father produced printouts of what had been sent to his daughter after she had found websites about suicide when researching the subject. Numerous messages were sent to her encouraging her to take her own life eg 'Nobody wans to date a suicidal girl'. On the face of it this remark is (currently) a legal, but harmful, thing to say to a suicidal girl.

Whilst he still thought that the Bill had been watered down, he accepted that this was necessary to ensure the Bill passed into law relatively quickly and that this was necessary in order to save future lives from being lost.

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An interesting discussion on the Online Safety Bill from 0.20:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001h418

Key points-

- The Government is determined to get this through Parliament after the delays.

- The proposal to use prison sentences for non compliance by site owners has been put back into the Bill by MP's.

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Is Everything OK at facebook?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct39vb

An interesting BBC programme that takes a look at the various problems faced by facebook.

It says that facebook actually welcomes regulation by Governments, as this stops it having to make decisions about what is acceptable content that it never wanted to make in the first place.

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:sleep::sleep::sleep:

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This mornings political show covered the Online Safety Bill and showed a report on the suicide of children as a result of sites that promote suicide:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jwhr

It's about 2/3 of the way through.

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More hold handing , nanny state, whom can we blame. It's never my fault There is a simple word ,hardly ever used in child care today. NO. Perhaps parents should try it !! Guess we need to amend the saying " sticks and stone may break my bones but WORDS will REALLY hurt me.

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Unless it's a lefty crock of you know what written by Sue Grey ;)

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You really dont get it do you (or you dont want to) - no one forces anyone to hunt out and find these sites (and yes, you have to go looking for them, they dont just magically load themselves into your browser). :sleep:

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People choosing to ask about suicide will come across them in searches. They are vulnerable and must be protected.

Also, once searched for, algorithms will keep suggesting such sites. They shouldn't exist in the first place.

Just been on the BBC 10pm news that about half of Twitter staff have either been let go or chosen to leave after Elon Musk bought it. Online abuse has rocketed.

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Exactly, they are choosing to do it, they are responsible for their own actions, no one else.

"vulnerable" - a term often misused by people who want to control and/or blame someone (everyone) else for their own actions.

Again, thats just your opinion. I can think of lots of sites that should not exist "in my opinion", but that doesnt mean everyone else should, or will, agree.

You must love the concept of 1984, everyone controlled by the thought police.

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I'd say a lot of people on the brink of taking their own lives are vulnerable and not responsible for their own actions, might be best if there weren't sites out there promoting and helping them to do it imo

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Yes, many almost certainly are, spur of the moment, rash, emotional, unplaned actions or decisions.
However, thats not the same as someone going to the trouble of actually hunting out and visiting very specific websites.

It might be better if a lot of websites didnt exist (like social media sites in general).
The world would be much better off (IMO), but the fact is they do, we cant go back now.

The sad fact is humans have been taking their own lives for 1000's years, probably much longer.
Websites have existed for a very small fraction of this time, who was to blame before they existed ?
Do I think such sites serve any useful purpose ? No, I dont - but neither do I believe in nanny state thought control either.

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I don't particularly like state over interference either but I think in this specific instance I'm okay with it, same as with that reality imbecile who is enjoying an extended stay at his majesty's expense for revenge porn, I'm okay with that too but in the main I don't like the vast majority of what I've seen about this bill

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The only valid point for me is that certain sites / subjects should not be included within said certain algorithms'.

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What are certain sites and said algorithms?

Do you mean by that that all sites are permitted to exist but should not be indexed by search engines?

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I have no problem for any sites to be available or to be searched, but some social media sites will continue to show information / videos based on past searches. Pretty straight forwards really.

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Tonight's Panorama is about the rise in trolling/harrassment on Twitter. Since Musk bought the site he has reactivated previously banned accounts. These, along with a huge number of new accounts, are attributed to the rise in bullying etc.

He's a very strange individual. The latest is that he has two bodyguards who even go to the toilet with him and he's offering to sell the office plants to his remaining employees. It's all about money with him, even down to a potted plant!!!

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Now on the iPlayer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jwb5

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Here , here so very put :D

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:confused:

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Here here, so very well put. Not exactly hard to work out really is it.

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I think hes just being deliberately dense again.

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Well he didn’t get to be No1/No.2 richest man in the world by not keeping an eye on the bottom line.

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The point was he's worth something like $188,000,000,000.

I find this link interesting, but when you get to the end just think this guy wanted money for house plants.

https://engaging-data.com/how-rich-is-elon-musk/

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Why do you think he has his money, giving things away won't increase your wealth.

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From about 18:30 there's a discussion about Elon Musk and the rude & discriminatory way that he spoke on Twitter to a man he'd fired with muscular dystrophy.

He has since apologised as it is widely believed that the gentleman on the receiving end is to take legal action.

IMO Musk really isn't a fit and proper person to own an interactive website. He's reactivated lots of formerly banned accounts and allowed new ones to be opened that are trolling people and spreading misinformation.

How on Earth can a man who behaves like this be capable of clamping down on inappropriate posts be trusted or expected to deal with them properly?

There's more background to this been posted in the thread about Elon Musk taking over Twitter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001jt6z

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'Protect free speech... not thin skin': Police told to focus on 'tackling serious crimes' and stop recording trivial online arguments as 'non-crime hate incidents'

Officers are to stop recording trivial online spats as ‘non-crime hate incidents.
Fresh guidelines say that offensive actions will only go on file when necessary.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-crimes.html

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Seems sensible. When it was first touted that police would be expected to get tough on internet trolls, the general consensus was that, especially as they have had their numbers cut and so don't have time to investigate burglaries etc properly, that this extra burden would be too much.

They've already said that they won't enforce the (then) new law banning smoking in cars when children are present.

The new approach to deal with it is the Online Safety Bill that will be enforced by Ofcom instead.

As this is now going through Parliament now seems a good time to let the police start to withdraw from dealing with such incidents.

Hopefully this won't mean that they will stop investigating internet crime in general as it was on the news earlier that about 40% of crime is now committed online!

I'm sure that the Governme (and the police) will be well aware that this move will also allow them to be able to say that levels of crime have gone down too ;)

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Finally, some actual common sense.

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Whatsapp may be closing in the UK.

The Government wants the power to be able to read private messages for child grooming, terrorism cases etc. Whatsapp say they would rather pull out of the UK market than allow this.

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The government has lost the plot (again). Their excuse is complete bollox.
Perhaps someone should point them at a dictionary, so they can look up "Private". :rolleyes:

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Is this the first early sign that you have picked up of the damage this new legislation will cause in its present form, Richard?

We all want to prevent grooming and terrorism, but this is not the way.

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If this comes in and it's a big if, there will always be ways around what is put in place. All it will do is create even more secure options to surf the net without snooping.

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VPN and fake accounts TOR or even Tails . Highly unlikely much will be done to trace the routes as it will be too expensive I am sure.

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I find the idea of OFCOM policing it quite laughable.

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OFCOM could not police a pissup in a brewery never mind this. Thankfully for those of us who prefer our privacy it is simple to circumnavigate the snooping.

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Ofcom is hopeless. Their destructive measures on Project Kangaroo proved that. They are constantly catching up with, rather than getting on top of, new technology.

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That's what happens when for purely ideological reasons the free market get first dibs at extorting profits ahead of public good.

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Maybe the Government will make it a criminal offence to use WhatsApp?

I doubt that most people would risk the consequences of using a proscribed platform. The remaining users are likely to be using a platform using end to end encryption for questionable purposes, so O suspect that they would go after the remaining users.

Also, money talks and Whattsapp may eventually relent when they realise how much money/market share that they will lose. At the moment I suspect it's nothinf more than verbal jousting.

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Looks like they will bypass this by going in through a back door to circumvent efforts to hide what's being said;

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/e...-a9030046.html

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simple question for you Richard

Do you think that the Government even if they had a back door can check every single message sent just on WhatsApp in a day ?.

Then add-in every other encrypted message service and i think you will find it's a big fat no. Also look at how many people are now using VPN's and it becomes impossible to check every single message.

It is simple to setup a WhatsApp account via a burner phone. There are also other options that i am not going to post here but they work just as well.

It was your posts on here about this subject that made me to decide to use a VPN, It was your posts on here about this subject that made me use other methods to block my traffic from snooping. So well done in ensuring my internet usage is secure and nontrackable :)

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Does not matter if el gov can see private messages if tracing the device is not simple. Only the foolish who do not hide their butts will get caught

Burner phone not connected to you and just sit in Maccys and use their free wifi or any number of hotspots

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I suspect that they will use AI to check the majority of them, with human intervention when something of importance is flagged up.

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Exactly

It is so easy to use free wifi in fact it is so easy to use other peoples wifi even if it is password protected. ;)

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Even if they can't identify the people talking at the time, it would be useful to scupper plans being made to bomb a particular place at a particular time.

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Richard do you understand just how big the system will be to do this. Plus even IF they could and they cannot, it would cost a fortune. Checking every single encrypted message sent on every single encrypted message App

So how would they track me if i am using a burner phone or logged into an open WIFI access point. ?

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If Whattsapp were to be proscribed, I doubt that those who were simply talking about apple pie recipes would go to these lengths or risk getting caught though.

Whattsapp would lose most of their users in the UK if they refused to comply and the Government didn't back down.

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How

If they cannot even read the message how would they know, Maybe tea leaves in a cup :)

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Yeah cuz terrorists are well known to use whatsapp and facebook messenger aint they? they got message boards on the dark web for that shiz and highly encrypted apps

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Trust me i could still use WhatsApp even if it was banned in the UK.