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Pierre

31-01-2017 12:17

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883230)

What happens if the government just ignores the law? Who actually ends up enforcing it? I mean the Supreme Court could say no but if Trump orders the policy to continue...

He can't ignore the law.

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When one branch of government exceeds its authority, separation of powers is violated, and representative government breaks down. Presidents have power to fill gaps or ambiguities in laws passed by Congress. They do not, however, have power to ignore laws as written

Mick	31-01-2017 12:20

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35883248)

It's better than nothing but look what happened to the petition that got 4 million signatures ( on triggering a fresh EU referendum). Ignored.

Ignored and rightly so. Several reasons. Petitioning against a National Democratic decision is stupid.

How many of those who signed the Petition actually got off their arses and went out to vote?

Finally numbers: 4 Million does not beat the 17,4 Million who voted to leave the EU.

But then again Mr K, I do not expect you to respect any democratic decision, given that you show very little respect for anything else. :rolleyes:

Pierre

31-01-2017 12:24

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883247)

Indeed peaceful protests and petitions are part of democracy unless a minority on here think otherwise.;)

No problem here with peaceful intelligent protest.

You very really get it though.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35883248)

It's better than nothing but look what happened to the petition that got 4 million signatures ( on triggering a fresh EU referendum). Ignored.

As it should be.

Osem	31-01-2017 12:33

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883063)

Because their computers are made in China, should they be silenced from sharing their opinions with anyone? :confused:

Maybe they should just choose to make their views felt by supporting less unsavoury regimes with their money and buy their tech etc. elsewhere? Ooohh but that's too painful a protest to make lol Far easier to go on a march then go to Starbucks for a latte and free use of their wi-fi in order to click on a petition.

They remind me of the Starbucks warriors whose huge outrage at tax avoidance amounted to buying their coffee elsewhere for about a week. They sure do talk lots of talk but rarely seem to back it up with anything meaningful and put their money where their mouth is.

Demanding Trump's removal whilst turning a blind eye to China's civil rights and other abuses (which are far worse than anything he's done) is frankly pathetic.

Mick	31-01-2017 12:34

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35883234)

signing petitions and waving bits of cardboard around it's quite a revolution .

where is the petition to keep trump coming i'll sign that .

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

It's nearly at 100K that is needed for it to go to possible debate. Not a bad amount of signatures, given that you will not find this Petition being linked to in the Media, like the one petitioning the State visit to be cancelled was heavily broadcast.

denphone

31-01-2017 12:37

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883282)

No problem here with peaceful intelligent protest.

You very really get it though.

Sadly there will always be a small number who infiltrate these protest's who are hell bent on violence and stirring it up and that is totally unacceptable to any normal rational person.

Osem	31-01-2017 12:41

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883281)

Well you see it's easy to click on a button, far easier than actually doing something meaningful. Makes you feel good and eases that terrible internal outrage in a split second before you move on to the next cause. We live in the age of social media driven faux outrage.

ianch99

31-01-2017 12:41

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883221)

And up until that point I thought you weren't an idiot.

That was almost a compliment, I think ;)

Here's some reading for you:

Countries where Trump does business are not hit by new travel restrictions

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties

Countries Listed On Trump's Refugee Ban Don't Include Those He Has Business With

Mick	31-01-2017 13:10

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883293)

All irrelevant reading unless you have an agenda, 7 Countries, listed as those at risk previously by Obama Administration (A point you keep conveniently ignoring, no surprise there.)

pip08456

31-01-2017 13:14

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Also worth noting is there are muslim countries that Trump doesn't have business ties with also off the list.

That wouldn't be newsworthy though would it?

1andrew1

31-01-2017 13:26

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883298)

All irrelevant reading unless you have an agenda, 7 Countries, listed as those at risk previously by Obama Administration (A point you keep conveniently ignoring, no surprise there Mr. Ignorant.)

That's not very nice.

Damien

31-01-2017 13:30

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883286)

Demanding Trump's removal whilst turning a blind eye to China's civil rights and other abuses (which are far worse than anything he's done) is frankly pathetic.

Are there people who are condemning Trump that approve of what China is doing? No one is calling for a boycott of American goods (so far) so I don't see the contradiction in criticizing Trump and not boycotting goods made in China.

Besides this gets a bit whataboutery if the respond to complaints about Trump are to say 'well what about China'?

Pierre

31-01-2017 13:39

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Can't excuse bad behaviour with bad behaviour.

Rightly or wrongly Trump is held to a higher standard than the Chinese. He is the leader of the free world and they are anything but free.

But china has no problem in destroying the west's industry, which is on it's knees anyway, so i have to commend Trump for at least fighting back, it's more than any of our tory or labour governments have done.

Mr K	31-01-2017 14:03

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883298)

All irrelevant reading unless you have an agenda, 7 Countries, listed as those at risk previously by Obama Administration (A point you keep conveniently ignoring, no surprise there Mr. Ignorant.)

No need to lower the tone Michael.

Mick	31-01-2017 14:37

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35883310)

No need to lower the tone Michael.

This coming from you ? :rofl:

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

(But for what it's worth I will compromise, if it's causing so much upset, I have edited my post accordingly.)

ianch99

31-01-2017 15:01

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883301)

That's not very nice.

That's Mick being nice :) You should see some of his other posts ..

Mick	31-01-2017 15:10

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883318)

That's Mick being nice :) You should see some of his other posts ..

:notopic:

Maggy

31-01-2017 15:12

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883286)

I still refuse to use Starbucks..Don't be so dismissive of those who do try to pay our pennies to organisations that play fair and not to those who don't.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883302)

:D :tu:

ianch99

31-01-2017 15:12

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883300)

Also worth noting is there are muslim countries that Trump doesn't have business ties with also off the list.

That wouldn't be newsworthy though would it?

Now this *is* newsworthy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rorism/514361/

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But after sifting through databases, media reports, court documents, and other sources, Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, has arrived at a striking finding: Nationals of the seven countries singled out by Trump have killed zero people in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015.

Zero.

Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemeni have been convicted of attempting or executing terrorist attacks on U.S. soil during that time period, according to Nowrasteh’s research. (Nowrasteh focused on plots against the U.S. homeland, which presumably Trump cares most about, rather than other terrorism-related offenses, like supporting a foreign terrorist group or trying to join a jihadist organization overseas.) Zero Libyans and zero Syrians have been convicted of doing the same. “Foreign-born terrorism is a hazard,” Nowrasteh argues, “but it is manageable given the huge economic benefits of immigration and the small costs of terrorism.”

As for refugees, Nowrasteh writes, Trump’s action “is a response to a phantom menace.” Over the last four decades, 20 out of 3.25 million refugees welcomed to the United States have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all by Cuban refugees in the 1970s.

Zero Americans have been killed by Syrian refugees in a terrorist attack in the United States.

Scary

31-01-2017 15:16

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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i got bored at work and created some trump memes

ianch99

31-01-2017 15:17

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883319)

:notopic:

Talk about a sense of humour failure. Good grief ..

figgyburn

31-01-2017 15:20

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

pip08456

31-01-2017 15:35

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883322)

Now this *is* newsworthy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rorism/514361/

OK let's take at least one of those "newsworthy facts"

Over the last four decades, 20 out of 3.25 million refugees welcomed to the United States have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil

How many of those 20 have been convicted in the last 10 years?

How many in the last 5 years?

9/11 only happened 16 yrs ago and since only then has the terrorist threat risen from the middle east so why go back 40 yrs unless you wish to use statistics as part of your agenda?

ianch99

31-01-2017 15:45

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883327)

Here you go:

How Many Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. Have Been Carried Out by Immigrants from the 7 Banned Muslim Countries?

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According to the Washington Post and Bloomberg, Trump’s ban did not include any of the Muslim-majority countries where the Trump Organization — which is now being run by his sons — holds business interests. Those countries reportedly include Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, the U.A.E. and Azerbaijan.

Here’s a look back at the major terrorist attacks that have taken place on U.S. soil since 9/11, including the nationalities of the perpetrator, or perpetrators.

Of this list, zero fatal attacks were carried out by immigrants from the seven Muslim-majority countries targeted by the ban. Two attacks were carried out by individuals with ties to the seven countries: the 2006 UNC SUV attack, and the 2016 Ohio State University attack. Neither of those plots resulted in American deaths.

9/11 attacks:

On Sept. 11, 2001, 19 militants hijacked four commercial airlines to carry out terrorist attacks on the U.S. that killed 2,996 people and wounded more than 6,000 others. The 19 men were associated with al-Qaeda, a decentralized terrorist network, at the time led by Osama bin Laden.

Of the 19 hijackers, 15 were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt and one from Lebanon.

2001 anthrax attacks:

Anonymous letters laced with deadly anthrax spores began arriving at media companies and congressional offices, killing five people and infecting 17 others. The FBI concluded Bruce Ivins, a top biodefense researcher, was the key suspect for the attacks, although he was never charged with any crime. Ivins was American.

2002 D.C. sniper attacks:

Over the course of three weeks in 2002, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo killed 10 people and critically injured three others in Washington D.C., Baltimore, and Virginia.

Muhammad was born as John Allen Williams in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Malvo is from Jamaica.

2006 UNC SUV attack:

Mohammed Reza Taheri-aza intentionally rammed into people on the UNC Chapel Hill campus. Nine people were injured, none seriously. Taheri-aza was reportedly an Iranian-born U.S. citizen.

2006 Seattle Capitol Hill massacre:

Kyle Aaron Huff opened fire in a rave afterparty in Seattle’s Capitol Hill, killing six and wounding two others. Huff was American, from Whitefish, Montana.

2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting:

Naveed Afzal Haq shot six people, one fatally, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building. Haq was a U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent.

2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting:

Jim David Adkisson killed two people and wounded seven others at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee. Adkisson was American.

2009 Arkansas recruiting office shooting:

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and killed one military recruiter and seriously wounded another at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army/Navy Career Center. Muhammad, previously known as Carlos Leon Bledsoe, was American.

2009 Fort Hood shooting:

Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others in Fort Hood, Texas. Hasan was born in the U.S. to Palestinian parents.

2010 Austin suicide attack:

Andrew Joseph Stack III deliberately crashed his single engine plane into the Austin, Texas, IRS building, killing himself, one IRS employee and injuring 13 others. Stack was American.

2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting:

Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others at a Sikh temple is Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page, who was active in white supremacist groups, was an American.

2013 Boston marathon bombing:

Double bombings near the finish line of the Boston marathon killed three people and injured at least 264. The perpetrators were brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. According to FBI interrogators, the two were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs, but were not connected to any known terrorist groups. Tamerlan was born in Russia but was a permanent resident of the U.S., while Dzhokhar was born in Kyrgyzstan and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2012. Both were ethnically Chechen.

2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting:

Paul Anthony Ciancia opened fire at Terminal 3 in LAX, killing one and injuring several others. Ciancia is American and grew up in Pennsville, New Jersey.

2013 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting:

Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., a neo-Nazi white supremacist, committed a pair of shootings at the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park, Kansas, killing a total of three people. Miller was American.

2014 Las Vegas shooting:

A married couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, committed a shooting spree in Las Vegas, killing three people as well as themselves. Both were American and supported extreme anti-government views.

2014 Queens hatchet attack:

Zale H. Thompson attacked four New York City Police Department officers with a metal hatchet, injuring two. A civilian was also injured after police opened fire on Thompson. Thompson, who was American, was described by police officials as a self-radicalized Muslim convert who was inspired by terrorist groups.

2014 slayings of NYPD officers:

Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley killed two on-duty NYPD officers, reportedly as revenge for the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. Brinsley was born in the U.S. to a Muslim African-American family.

2015 Charleston church shooting:

Dylann Roof killed nine people and injured one during a mass shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina. Roof, a white supremacist, is American and was sentenced to death on Jan. 10.

2015 Chattanooga shooting:

Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing four Marines and wounding two others. A fifth Marine died from his injuries two days later. Abdulazeez, a naturalized U.S. citizen, was born in Kuwait to Palestinian-Jordanian parents.

2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting:

Robert Lewis Dear, Jr. committed a mass shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic, killing three and injury nine others. Dear, who is American, was ruled incompetent to stand trial and was indefinitely confined to a Colorado state mental hospital.

2015 San Bernardino attack:

A married couple, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, killed 14 civilians and injured 22 others in a mass shooting at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California. Farook was born in the U.S. to Pakistani parents, and Malik, who was a permanent U.S. resident, was born in Pakistan but grew up in Saudi Arabia.

2016 Orlando nightclub shooting:

Omar Mateen killed 49 people and wounded 53 in a mass shooting at the gay nightclub Pulse in Orlando, Florida. Mateen was an American born in the U.S. to Afghan parents.

2016 shooting of Dallas police officers: Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed a group of Dallas police officers, killing five and injuring nine others. Johnson, a former Army reservist, was an American.

2016 Minnesota mall stabbing:

Dahir A. Adan committed a mass stabbing at the Crossroads Center shopping mall in St. Cloud, Minnesota, injuring 10 people. Adan was born in Kenya and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2008.

2016 New York and New Jersey bombings:

Over the course of three days in September, three bombs exploded and several explosive devices were found in New Jersey and New York City, injuring at least 30 people. The alleged perpetrator was Ahmad Khan Rahimi, an Afghan-born U.S. citizen.

2016 Ohio State university attack:

Abdul Razal Ali Artan carried out an attack on the Ohio State University campus, injuring 13. Artan, a student of the university, was a Muslim Somali immigrant.

2017 Fort Lauderdale Airport attack:

A mass shooting occurred at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport near the baggage claim in Terminal 2 on Jan. 6. A total of five people were killed and six others were injured. Esteban Ruiz Santiago, the alleged shooter, was indicted on 22 counts by a federal grand jury on Thursday. Santiago is an American, born to Puerto Rican parents in New Jersey.

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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35883326)

Don't be lazy. Show us the proof that this is fake ..

Pierre

31-01-2017 17:15

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883322)

Now this *is* newsworthy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rorism/514361/

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Nationals of the seven countries singled out by Trump have killed zero people in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015.

That doesn't mean that there haven't been plots that have been thwarted or that there is credible intelligence that there is a risk.

successful implementation of such a policy as this would be a continued 20-30 years of no one from these countries killing a US citizen.

Such Arguments are laughable, and of playground level intelligence.

papa smurf

31-01-2017 17:39

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883287)

thanks for that - signed

Osem	31-01-2017 17:42

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Fallacious argument. How does anyone know how many budding terrorists from some or all of those countries are either already in the US or trying to get there with the sole intention of causing mayhem? Is the US supposed to wait for the worst to happen before they do something about it? Would enforcing a ban after a terrorist incident involving any such nationals then be deemed acceptable? Trump would be blamed either way by those currently clamouring for his demise.

Don't know about anyone else but I'm getting increasingly hacked off with people ranging from deluded protestors and biased lefty hacks to the likes of Baroness Chakrabati speaking on behalf of the 'British' people. I'm British and they certainly don't speak for me. Kevin Maguire was on TV earlier claiming that the 'British people' would show their disdain for Trump if he dared to pass down the Mall on any state visit. The fact is that 95% of the British people won't be doing that but let's not worry about that eh Kev, let's just stir up the usual suspects again to cause a bit of trouble and seize the airtime for a minority and their views.

ianch99

31-01-2017 18:11

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883335)

The age old last resort of right-wing (and left-wing) politics: if you can't debate, insults will have to do.

papa smurf

31-01-2017 18:13

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35883244)

These protestors are only interested in their version of democracy not the universal concept they woukd happily overturn the election to get Trump out if they could nothing democratic about them they dislike Trump and that's all that matters to them.

i think these idiots give card board a bad name .

Mick	31-01-2017 18:16

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883339)

I had to remind myself who Kevin Maquire was, he is associated with The Mirror. Enough said.

Osem	31-01-2017 18:24

Re: US Election 2016

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883302)

I was using Chinese products as an example to highlight the double standards. There's no great clamour for anything to be done about China by the anti-Trump brigade or Russia's recent appalling change to their laws on domestic violence. The point I am making is that there are plenty of evil people and things going on in the world yet we don't have million signature petitions about them do we? No, far more morally superior to jump on the latest media hyped anti-Trump bandwagon when he's actually done nothing in comparison. As unpleasant as it is for innocent people to be caught up in this current situation, it's a laughable over-reaction and the extreme language being bandied about is typical of the twitter universe and all too many of its sad inhabitants.

Mick	31-01-2017 18:27

Re: Million sign petition to stop Trumps visit

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35883344)

i think these idiots give card board a bad name .

This is just it, they care so much for the environment (supposedly), some even protested on that very subject the other week in the women's march, however, they left all their crap in the streets when they went home. That's another bout of hypocrisy at it's finest.

https://twitter.com/LisaFlanery/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Osem	31-01-2017 19:08

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883345)

I had to remind myself who Kevin Maquire was, he is associated with The Mirror. Enough said.

Yes but he speaks for the 'British people' remember... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883350)

Sadly that's typical of far too many of these people.

Pierre

31-01-2017 21:06

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883343)

The age old last resort of right-wing (and left-wing) politics: if you can't debate, insults will have to do.

I am debating, whilst also passing opinion on the level of debate being offered.

1andrew1

01-02-2017 00:10

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Amber Rudd: Trump travel ban could help IS
Donald Trump's US travel ban on people from seven mainly Muslim countries could become a "propaganda opportunity" for so-called Islamic State, the UK's home secretary has warned.
Amber Rudd called the president's move "divisive" and "wrong".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38814346

RizzyKing

01-02-2017 00:24

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Pretty sure Trump couldn't care less what anyone thinks and the majority of the US public don't either. While there might not have been attacks from anyone from those countries but more then a couple have training camps and they are not there training for debate with western liberals or to carry a piece of cardboard. We have become very soft in the west as a public and want a nice civilised resolution to problems which is all good and great unless your enemy is a barbaric piece of **** with no hesitation in what they do.

ianch99

01-02-2017 00:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883387)

I am debating, whilst also passing opinion on the level of debate being offered.

You are ignoring the reality of what the ban is designed to do i.e. to keep America "safe" whilst ignoring that the Americans are far more at risk from their own home grown "terrorists" and nut jobs.

You are being disingenuous here: you try and defend the rationale of the ban whilst at the same ignoring the facts about who is actually killing Americans in real life.

That's fine: you can ignore the facts if you choose but please don't take the moral high ground.

Chrysalis

01-02-2017 01:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I did initially think trump was just a nutter, but fair play to the guy he seems to be sticking to his promises and wasnt scared to go against political correctness.

I particularly like how he has told companies if they move manufacturing out of the states, and import the goods to sell, then it will be taxed to make it a unprofitable practice.

Pierre

01-02-2017 06:41

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883410)

You're being too simplistic.

If only it was as simple a judgement as you make out.

Do you know how many terrorist plots from those states have been thwarted in the last 10 years?

No, nor do I.

martyh

01-02-2017 08:16

Re: US Election 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883298)

All irrelevant reading unless you have an agenda, 7 Countries, listed as those at risk previously by Obama Administration (A point you keep conveniently ignoring, no surprise there.)

A point you keep ignoring is that Trump appears to be using his power to favour his business interests.Why didn't he extend the ban to include countries from more dangerous Muslim nations ? and if he had placed his companies in a blind trust like he was supposed to then he wouldn't be facing these accusations ,or at least he would have been able to justify his actions better.

Damien

01-02-2017 09:40

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Trump has chosen his Supreme Court pick: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017...urt-nomination

Nothing surprising or outrageous. Staunch conservative as you would expect but a normal pick.

Be interesting to see what the Democrats do. They can't really block it other than use the filibuster but the GOP have said they'll change senate rules to ban the filibuster is they do. Since the Republicans are in the majority I suspect he'll pass.

Ramrod

01-02-2017 09:42

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883410)

You are ignoring the reality of what the ban is designed to do i.e. to keep America "safe" whilst ignoring that the Americans are far more at risk from their own home grown "terrorists" and nut jobs.

So what? :confused:
He's tackling one problem at a time :shrug:

Maggy

01-02-2017 10:02

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35883440)

So what? :confused:
He's tackling one problem at a time :shrug:

Seriously? You think he's going to tackle the second amendment? :D

heero_yuy

01-02-2017 10:21

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Well the "right to bear arms" in the 2nd amendment is qualified by being part of a regulated malitia. Most of the US ignores that clause. Maybe he'll drop it.:D

Osem	01-02-2017 12:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

After all the fuss about the launch and progress of the anti-Trump petition strangely there seems to be far less coverage of the more recent pro-Trump variant. I wonder why that is?

Just for anyone who hasn't yet seen it:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35883440)

So what? :confused:
He's tackling one problem at a time :shrug:

Yep, as all his predecessors have found it's impossible to change the US's gun laws in any meaningful way but that's not an argument for doing nothing about the many other security related problems the US faces which he can do something about.

The real danger of terrorism isn't the one off grand attack, it's the creation of an environment in which radicals can spread their evil amongst the population. That's what happened here when we allowed the likes of Abu-Hamza to preach hatred on our streets for years and did nothing. The legacy of that we're going to be dealing with for decades to come and who knows how many lives have been or will be lost as a result of the seeds which were sown then but which were largely ignored at the time. We can argue about the efficacy of any chosen methods of dealing with these problems but there's no logical argument for doing nothing until the killings start because by then it's too damned late.

pip08456

01-02-2017 12:55

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883462)

Reached more than the required 100,000 to be debated.

The debate is scheduled for 20 February 2017.

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting...178844&area=uk

Mick	01-02-2017 15:33

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I thought Theresa May at PMQ's today was the strongest I have ever seen her be. She was expected to be on the defensive but came out on the offensive to blithering idiot Corbyn:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime Minister: Theresa May

"He can lead a Protest, I am leading a Country."

About 1 Minute 14 Secs in, Corbyn's question and TM excellent come back.

Sound quality is a bit poor.

Someone needs to tell idiot Corbyn that while 1,8 Million people may have signed that petition in the UK, that amount of people does not represent the remaining 68 Million other people who haven't signed it and over 200,000 have now signed a petition wanting the State visit to remain, 200K is quite good to say it's not been linked to by the media like the Anti-Trump one was.

Damien

01-02-2017 15:56

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

We need to work out a ratio of pro-Trump signatures to anti-Trump signatures to be sure really.

Mick	01-02-2017 16:04

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883492)

We need to work out a ratio of pro-Trump signatures to anti-Trump signatures to be sure really.

To be sure of what exactly ?

Damien

01-02-2017 16:11

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

To see what's the more impressive petition. 1.8 million of one linked to be the media or 200,000 for one that wasn't. Gotta nail a formula.

Mick	01-02-2017 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883497)

To see what's the more impressive petition. 1.8 million of one linked to be the media or 200,000 for one that wasn't. Gotta nail a formula.

I take that then that you agree that the Media has displayed a negative bias towards Trump and they have failed in their objectives to issue balanced news, as it should be?

Damien

01-02-2017 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883498)

I take that then that you agree that the Media has displayed a negative bias towards Trump and they have failed in their objectives to issue balanced news, as it should be?

I was just having fun about comparing the petitions. Generally people challenging governments get more attention than those praising them. "People approve of government policy" is never as newsworthy irrespective of who that government is.

If you have a policy where even legal residents were sent away then that's going to get more attention even if some people approve of it.

pip08456

01-02-2017 16:50

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I like May's last words, "He can lead a protest, I am leading a country".

Priceless.

Osem	01-02-2017 16:58

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Corbyn can't even lead his own party.

martyh

01-02-2017 17:41

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883490)

I thought Theresa May at PMQ's today was the strongest I have ever seen her be. She was expected to be on the defensive but came out on the offensive to blithering idiot Corbyn:

About 1 Minute 14 Secs in, Corbyn's question and TM excellent come back.

Sound quality is a bit poor.

Someone needs to tell idiot Corbyn that while 1,8 Million people may have signed that petition in the UK, that amount of people does not represent the remaining 68 Million other people who haven't signed it and over 200,000 have now signed a petition wanting the State visit to remain, 200K is quite good to say it's not been linked to by the media like the Anti-Trump one was.

When something has been announced to happen ,like Trumps visit,it's seems a bit silly having a petition to say you want it ,the idea is to have a petition objecting something

Mick	01-02-2017 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883503)

Corbyn can't even lead his own party.

He is weak overall - he started off in PMQ's today by going on about a book/paper on Awkwardness, referring to May's Washington DC visit, however she threw the Awkwardness back in his face by describing the amount of MP's who keep resigning from the Labour Party. :rofl:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883507)

When something has been announced to happen ,like Trumps visit,it's seems a bit silly having a petition to say you want it ,the idea is to have a petition objecting something

It's more a counter petition, as we know the visit is going ahead either way. I have not signed it for the record.

Damien

01-02-2017 17:53

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

He is awful. Even his more fanatical supporters are losing the faith. At PMQs his biggest problem is an inability to pivot or think on his feet, it's rather slow-witted, and he continues on his course of questioning irrespective of the answers. So when May has successfully diverted the line of attack he fruitlessly continues anyway, when she makes a mistake (and she is worse than Cameron at this) he fails to notice it.

He should also start asking different questions at the end. Twice now the Tories have a zinger line ready for after he has asked his final question, he should throw a random question at the end instead.

Pierre

01-02-2017 17:56

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883507)

When something has been announced to happen ,like Trumps visit,it's seems a bit silly having a petition to say you want it ,the idea is to have a petition objecting something

Why,

You can have a petition to say you're in favour of something, especially when there is a movement to prevent it from happening.

Again it's democracy.

What is silly, is to say it's silly.

martyh

01-02-2017 17:58

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883508)

It's more a counter petition, as we know the visit is going ahead either way. I have not signed it for the record.

Whatever we think of Trump it doesn't change the fact that both governments will have to work together in the coming years so to cancel the visit would simply get Trumps back up and to be honest the UK would look a bit petty,far better to get it over with and besides i am 100% certain that Maj can handle Trump

Damien

01-02-2017 17:58

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883515)

Why,

You can have a petition to say you're in favour of something, especially when there is a movement to prevent it from happening.

Again it's democracy.

What is silly, is to say it's silly.

You can definitely have them. It's just it's generally less newsworthy. Also people are less motivated to be active when they're getting what they want.

heero_yuy

01-02-2017 18:33

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883516)

Can we expect Prince Philip to make some shrewd observation? :D

Chrysalis

01-02-2017 18:48

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883513)

In his first PMQs he made it clear he isnt there to trade insults and jokes so as such just asks the questions, whilst May is carrying on the tradition of just playing a comedy act to make people laugh at him.

I respect what he is trying to do, but sadly I think others will just fall for the act and see him as weak, it seems to be that for one to win PMQs you simly have to be good at not answering the questions you asked and to make people laugh at your opponent, I mean what relevance does whether corbyn is leading the country or not have to his question?

Also she needs to remember she was not elected by the electorate as leader, but inherited it from cameron.

Osem	01-02-2017 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35883525)

In his first PMQs he made it clear he isnt there to trade insults and jokes so as such just asks the questions, whilst May is carrying on the tradition of just playing a comedy act to make people laugh at him.

I respect what he is trying to do, but sadly I think others will just fall for the act and see him as weak, it seems to be that for one to win PMQs you simly have to be good at not answering the questions you asked and to make people laugh at your opponent, I mean what relevance does whether corbyn is leading the country or not have to his question?

Also she needs to remember she was not elected by the electorate as leader, but inherited it from cameron.

You mean like Gordon Brown did? All she needs to remember is that she's running the country and until Labour wake up and get shot of Corbyn there is going to be no credible opposition. They're the ones letting the country down.

martyh

01-02-2017 19:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35883521)

Can we expect Prince Philip to make some shrewd observation? :D

I reckon he'll defo mention the hair :D

heero_yuy

01-02-2017 19:31

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883536)

I reckon he'll defo mention the hair :D

And the orangeness. :D

Damien

01-02-2017 19:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35883525)

Also she needs to remember she was not elected by the electorate as leader, but inherited it from cameron.

That's how our system works. We've had no end of Prime Ministers who became so at a time other than a General Election. It's like the nonsense we had about Brown being unelected.

pip08456

01-02-2017 23:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883540)

That's how our system works. We've had no end of Prime Ministers who became so at a time other than a General Election. It's like the nonsense we had about Brown being unelected.

I always thought that in a general election you voted for the local MP you considered fit and proper of representing you.

I've never known of a general election to elect a leader of a party.

Arthurgray50@blu

02-02-2017 01:00

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Here are some facts for you.

Clinton won the overall majority vote BUT Trump won by the Electoral College Vote. They could have change the system. It was up to them.

Theresa May became PM by the Ministerial Vote NOT by the public vote - US.

If she went to the Country, she would win with a vast Majority. as Labour is very poor at the moment with Corbyn - he will NEVER be PM.

I cannot see Trump lasting long as he is upsetting many Americans.

pip08456

02-02-2017 01:04

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Wasn't a ministerial vote Arthur, it was a vote by Tory MP's.

You really need to get your facts right before posting.

Mick	02-02-2017 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35883577)

I cannot see Trump lasting long as he is upsetting many Americans.

Upsetting the ones in the Blue States for obvious reasons.

adzii_nufc

02-02-2017 01:17

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Pointless telling him to get anything right at this stage :erm:

Trump is such a savage though right? He's already up there at Bush and Cheney level... well not really. How dare he build a wall!? Why don't you invade somewhere in the middle east and fail to install a government, leaving it far worse than when you entered? Not just fancy bombing some hospitals? that's so much more president like.

TheDaddy

02-02-2017 01:18

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883502)

I like May's last words, "He can lead a protest, I am leading a country".

Priceless.

Oh right that's what she's doing, looked like she was a geriatric walking aid the other day

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883536)

I reckon he'll defo mention the hair :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35883537)

And the orangeness. :D

And the unusually small hands

Mick	02-02-2017 01:32

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883583)

Oh right that's what she's doing, looked like she was a geriatric walking aid the other day

And the unusually small hands

You're getting to be like Arthur, repeating the same crap over and over, seem to be a little obsessed with his hands, can't say I have looked at them that close.... :erm:

TheDaddy

02-02-2017 02:30

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883586)

You're getting to be like Arthur, repeating the same crap over and over, seem to be a little obsessed with his hands, can't say I have looked at them that close.... :erm:

More like I heard the donalds reaction when Marco rubio questioned their size but don't let facts get in the way of anything just like I won't let your opinion get in the way of anything I post, I post for my benefit not yours.

pip08456

02-02-2017 03:37

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I await the usual suspects railing about this in about 6 or 7 hrs.

"Trump’s Religious Freedom Order"

The media as usual put a different slant on it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/le...iscrimination/

adzii_nufc

02-02-2017 03:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883592)

Anything that can go against him will. I bet the use of drones on foreign soil suddenly becomes a huge issue for American citizens and they label Trump a mass murderer because only now does it suit their agenda. No one bat an eyelid when the Obama camp botched the Russian Nuclear deal and had the media spin it off as Eastern aggression despite it being proven it was the US that in fact broke the deal. You can guarantee Trump would be crucified if put in the same situation.

Oh and the effect of BS news? Read through the comment section: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen..._ban_mom_dies/ - Before it was discovered he was full of crap. 10051 toxic comments riled up by bogus information.

My personal favorite -

Quote:

Yeah I'm sorry a lawsuit isn't enough. Something has to happen that allows everyone to remember and know that this happened even if it isn't in the form of punishment.

He needn't worry, I'm sure we'll remember.

One of the original's (UK print)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-s-death.html

Mick	02-02-2017 05:09

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883591)

You really did not have tell me you have not posted anything for my benefit. I know.

TheDaddy

02-02-2017 07:07

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883595)

You really did not have tell me you have not posted anything for my benefit. I know.

You didn't seem to know when you were making your bizarre claims about obsessions earlier, perhaps it's just because you don't like being reminded how insecure, thin skinned and un statesman like he really is, you'd think he'd have better things to do than pursue petty little vendettas and fret about the size of his inauguration, perhaps if he'd spent a little less time on that his 'not a Muslim ban' executive order might not have been such a shambles

Mick	02-02-2017 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883597)

Perhaps nothing, actually if you go back, I have commented on how unpolitical he is that he don't act like the typical politician when talking, so you have no need to think you're reminding me of anything.

Also, nothing bizarre about my claim of you obsessing about his apparent small hands given how many times you go on about it.

Osem	02-02-2017 14:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35883593)

When you use your mother's death to take a stab at Trump and it backfires. Using your deceased mother to make a political statement and create a media stir? what a bloke.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...33053942-story :erm:

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Anything that can go against him will. I bet the use of drones on foreign soil suddenly becomes a huge issue for American citizens and they label Trump a mass murderer because only now does it suit their agenda. No one bat an eyelid when the Obama camp botched the Russian Nuclear deal and had the media spin it off as Eastern aggression despite it being proven it was the US that in fact broke the deal. You can guarantee Trump would be crucified if put in the same situation.

Oh and the effect of BS news? Read through the comment section: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen..._ban_mom_dies/ - Before it was discovered he was full of crap. 10051 toxic comments riled up by bogus information.

My personal favorite -

He needn't worry, I'm sure we'll remember.

One of the original's (UK print)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-s-death.html

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump is suffering from the Farage effect and a good many people are so keen to deride everything he says/does that they'll turn a blind eye to everything else (including what he's inherited from his predecessors) and even blame him for stuff he's had little/nothing to do with. It's like a viral mass hysteria and right now it's based on precious little. Yes, he may turn out to be a disaster but it's far too early to say. What's undeniable is that, like Farage, he's set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Damien

02-02-2017 14:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

The way Trump's ban applied to greencard holders, legitimate and legal residents of the United States, was either callous or incompetent. He either did it intentionally to provoke or is was extraordinarily badly managed. It is said Bannon was the guy who wanted to ensure it applied to them so maybe it wasn't Trump himself but that hardly matters.

That deserves the strongest possible criticism. Every time something like that happens he'll get it again.

Mick	02-02-2017 15:22

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883636)

The issue of Sally Yates (Acting Attorney General in place by Obama) being fired. According to Press Secretary Sean Spicer, there is still a number of Obama's team that are in vital Admin roles as they are still in final stages of transition. Sally Yates being a President Obama pick, who publicly defied Trump's Order. Spicer claimed the Executive Order went through her office for legality checks and it came back fine.

There could be internal elements at play here where they (Obama's old team) could be trying to sabotage processes as a form of protest, we have already seen reports the Democrats boycotting confirmation hearings and not attending sessions where votes are required to confirm Trump's cabinet picks, is why the GOP have changed the rules on required voting numbers in last day or so because they are fed up of the delayed tactics being played out by the Dems.

You have to look at it from this angle, Democrats have lost the White House, and they have no standing in both chambers of Congress. All they have left is to protest.

Osem	02-02-2017 15:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883636)

The way Trump's ban applied to greencard holders, legitimate and legal residents of the United States, was either callous or incompetent. He either did it intentionally to provoke or is was extraordinarily badly managed. It is said Bannon was the guy who wanted to ensure it applied to them so maybe it wasn't Trump himself but that hardly matters.

That deserves the strongest possible criticism. Every time something like that happens he'll get it again.

There you go. It deserves the strongest possible criticism? Really? To be fair, I don't think you mean that but that's what you've written and that's the bandwagon upon which a lot of people have jumped. I can think of many things he could do which would be deserving of far harsher criticism. The trouble is that virtually everything Trump says or does is attracting a reaction much of which is out of proportion and I think that's counter-productive because it becomes irrational and devalues the choice of words and action we ought to reserve for people far worse than Trump.

Damien

02-02-2017 16:02

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883642)

Very strong criticism then. I don't actually have a scale of criticism, it's just a turn of phrase. Still whilst I accept that are worse people out there it isn't much of a defense and he is President of the United States.

Maggy

02-02-2017 16:48

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883645)

:clap:

papa smurf

02-02-2017 17:27

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Trump's really in trouble now! Lily Allen, Paloma Faith and Frankie Boyle are among list of celebs, academics and politicians calling for massive demo against US President's state visit

looks like their releasing the top tards to tackle this .

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4XXuLxBx9
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Pierre

02-02-2017 17:36

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883636)

I'd go for incompetent

Osem	02-02-2017 18:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883645)

I agree and conceded that I didn't think you meant it. ;) I just think that this, for an awful lot of people, has become a very personal vendetta and the sort of abuse being hurled at Trump has more to do with that than anything he's actually done, just like the sort of abuse Ms Miller has been getting which you have cited elsewhere. I always question the logic of those who decry abuse, intimidation and extremism but don't mind engaging in it when it suits. What I'm saying isn't a defence of Trump, it's a comment on the mindset of those who jump on the bandwagon at everything he says, does and doesn't do regardless of any facts. They're like a baying mob and it's all too common nowadays sadly. For some people it might seem OK when it's Trump on the receiving end but it won't stop there will it...

Damien

02-02-2017 18:20

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883662)

Well any threats are unacceptable obviously. No argument there. I am referring to criticism that comes without that threat though.

Osem	02-02-2017 18:33

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883663)

Well any threats are unacceptable obviously. No argument there. I am referring to criticism that comes without that threat though.

That ought to be obvious but we're in a environment when it isn't and when high profile people like Madonna attack Trump's 'extremism' by referring to bombing the Whitehouse or it sets the tone for a great many people, including some mad enough to try it. I hope she won't be surprised when she's on the receiving end of similarly disgusting and threatening remarks. Is this really the way we want to go?

Hugh	02-02-2017 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883666)

That ought to be obvious but we're in a environment when it isn't and when high profile people like Madonna attack Trump's 'extremism' by referring to bombing the Whitehouse or it sets the tone for a great many people, including some mad enough to try it. I hope she won't be surprised when she's on the receiving end of similarly disgusting and threatening remarks. Is this really the way we want to go?

What she actually said...

http://www.elle.com/culture/career-p...ch-transcript/

Quote:

It is the beginning of much needed change. Change that will require sacrifice, people. Change that will require many of us to make different choices in our lives, but this is the hallmark of revolution. So my question to you today is are you ready? I said, are you ready? Say yes, we are ready. Say, yes we are ready. One more time: you're ready.

"Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot of blowing up the White House, but I know that this won't change anything. We cannot fall into despair. As the poet, W.H. Auden once wrote on the eve of World War II: We must love one another or die.

"I choose love. Are you with me? Say this with me: We choose love. We choose love. We choose love."

Quite different meaning when read in context - in fact, the total opposite of what was reported...

Jacquesb

02-02-2017 18:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883642)

Cant think of anyone worse than Trump at present.

Osem	02-02-2017 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacquesb (Post 35883668)

Cant think of anyone worse than Trump at present.

That's fine. I detest Corbyn but I'm not going to threaten him.

You serioulsy don't think that Putin is worse than Trump right now (we can't talk about the future of course). Over there in Putin's Russia they've just changed the law on domestic abuse in a most appalling way. I don't think Trump has assassinated anyone with polonium either but there's still time I suppose. You don't think the various murdering despots in Africa are worse? Seriously? Perhaps you can explain why maniacs like Robert Mugabe aren't worse than Donald Trump.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35883667)

What she actually said...

http://www.elle.com/culture/career-p...ch-transcript/ Quite different meaning when read in context - in fact, the total opposite of what was reported...

Yes, I am aware of that. I saw her actual speech on TV.

Note I didn't claim she said she wanted to bomb the Whitehouse, I said she referred to it and I did that deliberately. Furthermore, she didn't say that would be wrong, she said it wouldn't change anything, implying that it'd be fine if it did change something. If Trump had used terminology like that people like Madonna would have been up in arms. If people are going to rightly attack Trump for his choice of words (amongst other things) maybe they ought to be more careful with their own. Why did she even feel the need to talk about blowing up the Whitehouse FGS?

The fact that she's since felt the need to clarify what she meant would indicate that it wasn't the best choice of words but I doubt she'd make that concession for anything Trump has said because the entire agenda is to demonise virtually everything he says and does and that's just not credible.

richard s

02-02-2017 20:22

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

America First... Well done Mr Trump... If he did nothing and then some IS nutter(s) who got into the country posing as refugee's killed American's... He would be held to blame.

TheDaddy

02-02-2017 20:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883631)

I don't recall you commenting on how insecure and thin skinned he is, if you could point me to those posts I'd actually be interested and btw there's more to being a statesman than simply being a politician. Besides which I hardly go on about his child like hands, a line here and there mainly for my own amusement (which incidentally I won't be stopping doing) has suddenly turned into an obsession, if anyone has an obsession with trump here it's you, I might have done one post to many recently with the hand thing but the endless rebuttaling you indulge in is far more obsessive

Mick	02-02-2017 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883693)

I don't recall you commenting on how insecure and thin skinned he is, if you could point me to those posts I'd actually be interested and btw there's more to being a statesman than simply being a politician. Besides which I hardly go on about his child like hands, a line here and there mainly for my own amusement (which incidentally I won't be stopping doing) has suddenly turned into an obsession, if anyone has an obsession with trump here it's you, I might have done one post to many recently with the hand thing but the endless rebuttaling you indulge in is far more obsessive

Wow you contradicted yourself in the same post....

Whatever. Go find the posts, I am not doing the work for you. I got far more pressing issues to contend with than argue with you and let me say here and now, I have no obsession with anybody. I do enjoy political discussions be it UK politics or American and I like to point out issues of hypocrisy now and again, which there has been a lot of in this thread.

1andrew1

02-02-2017 22:21

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

The following is a list from the US Holocaust Museum titled "Early warnings signs of fascism".

It's a bit worrying to read this list and realise how many of these aspects Trump ticks or is close to. You only have to consider today's moves by Trump to allow church leaders to endorse politicians and to appreciate that it ticks the box of "Religion and government intertwined"

The list from the US Holocaust Museum reads:
- Powerful and continuing nationalism
- Disdain for human rights
- Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
- Supremacy of the military
- Rampant sexism
- Controlled mass media
- Obsession with national security
- Religion and government intertwined
- Corporate power protected
- Labor power suppressed
- Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
- Obsession with crime and punishment
- Rampant cronyism and corruption
- Fraudulent elections
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/31/stark-...s-day-6417633/

James O'Brien does a good piece on it here.

Pierre

02-02-2017 22:30

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Muslim ban no new thing for Kuwait

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...rity-countries

Is it ok for these then, you know a bit like black people using the N word.

adzii_nufc

02-02-2017 22:41

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Enjoy this absolute gem. https://www.facebook.com/FilmingCops...5974309437661/

Two presidents talking clear crap about what they'll actually do.. when the third guy actually does something about it, everyone loses their minds, brilliant.

Ramrod

02-02-2017 22:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacquesb (Post 35883668)

Cant think of anyone worse than Trump at present.

Are you serious?! Are you really that blinkered? :shocked:

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