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Ah, but wait for when our own native take over from their benefit slum situations, and when thy start complaining that they now have to do jobs previously held by Migrants we can always remind them that "Arbeit macht frei"

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Maybe they should have let it happen again... :rolleyes:

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I'm sure the muesli eating, sandal wearing, PC hand wringers would rather that than use what is an effective way of concentrating on the groups most likely to cause trouble. When enforcement resources are limited it's best to gain an edge.

Same way if you're looking for terrorists you don't waste time stopping little old ladies but go for the straggly bearded, wild eyed, swarthy, shifty looking ones.

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I think you will find white English people including some that eat museli and wear sandals can be terrorist and rapists, is not just "anyone but English" kind of problem

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It's the ones that wear socks and sandals that need to be deported.

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The problems with rape and sexual assault last new year in cologne didn't involve anyone except immigrants so let's not try and deflect or water down what happened, we know from Rotherham the damage looking the other way and sticking our heads in the sand can do for innocent people

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that's a crime against fashion ,these people need locking away forever .

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i can imagine the sentiment " sorry son you probably innocent but because your brown and have a long beard your type like to be rapist and terrorist, same as all skinheads are neo nazi, the Irish are IRA and anyone under 2 could be Jesus of Nazareth so don't be too thinned skin about it. It's not racist that I brand you as a daugher killer jihadi Christian hating job taking ****"


<<rolling eyes for those who can't detect sarcasm>>

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Yes very nice but not really what I was getting at.

Oh and re the sarcasm considering you asked me once if I'd realised I'd posted from a fake news site you're the last person to be lecturing on sarcasm detection.

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The last bit regarding sarcasm wasn't meant to Be aimed at you, apologies for that

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No problem. I apologise for being bitchy to, it's been a long week

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38510628

HMG keep banging-on about this, but still seem to have done nothing about it. And why should we have to pay for language courses for immigrants? My French wife was refused help with language because she came from Western Europe, even if she paid for the course herself!

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Because we desperately need them in some areas e.g the NHS/Care sector ?

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So the chance of a well paid job by their standards isn't worth learning the language of the country they will work in how will they comunicate with the patients. The nhs alone spends ridiculous amounts on translators and it is not a problem we should be having on the scale we have. A nurse friend of mine who works at the royal infirmary in leicester dreads christmas as there is a dramatic increase in the number of foreign visitors going and getting health issues sorted. Over the last ten years a certain group has become very problamatic in how they demand treatment and intimidate staff if they don't get what they want.

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Correct.

Anyway, it looks like Corbyn doesn't share our concerns about immigration being too high and the effects therof. Despite banging on about the lack of homes, environmental issues, the NHS crisis, transport chaos, property prices etc. etc. etc. in his weird Islington world, adding 1,000,000 to our population every three years isn't a problem. To put that into perspective that's adding roughly the equivalent of the entire population of Scotland in just 15 years and doesn't include compound effects of higher birth rates amongst migrant communities.

How many new homes, housing estates, garden cities, towns does that add up to just to keep pace with the current population growth let alone tackle the existing shortfall? I guess Corbyn's thinking all these people will be vegans, walk/cycle everywhere, educate themselves, have only 1 child and never get ill or grow old... :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38561501

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I watched a video yesterday made by a truck driver in calais showing the state that area is in, its a real eye opener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=382njADcWvE

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It's only an eye opener to those who wish to see. The usual celebrity suspects and professional do-gooders won't be interested. They only like being filmed rescuing orphaned children from France and other equally uncivilised European countries where such poor people aren't safe. :rolleyes:

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**** of the earth, I think it best we don't have them here, I couldn't blame him if he'd accidentally clipped a couple with the mirror they kept trying to pull of

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That's an embarassing video for the french not being able to secure a major transport link and maybe it's time they stopped expecting police to handle it and deploy troops I'm sure those migrants will be a lot less likely to push their luck. Highlights what an utter waste of time demolishing camps is they need to be rounded up and placed in a detention camp. Having spoken to a couple of HGV drivers that live near me Calais has gone from a looked forward one step from home to a hell hole that no driver likes being there after dark. That's when these migrants really show who they are smashing up trucks and beating any driver they catch out of their cabs not including the damage routinely done to the trailer units.

If our luvvies have so much empathy for them let them go over there at night without camera's, entourage and security and then come back and tell us how we should be taking them in.

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French radio says that "security services" are actively stopping people taking aid to the refugees who have drifted back to Calais because several have come under attack. Biting the hand that tries to feed them.

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Yes but cameras weren't so quick to show that as they were all the poor children who had to be let in for their safety most of whom once in disappeared. Those are not migrants in calais they are criminal **** and the last thing we need is any of them getting over here.

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But I'm sure that when they get here they'll forget all that and become model citizens and contributors to our society...

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5 large rubber dinghies full of "migrants" picked up from the Med today.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38597384

Yet more holes in our colander like border controls.

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This shows that lawyers have the system wrapped around their little fingers.

And as it would take more lawyers (paid from the public purse) to sort it out, I feel the loophole will never be closed.

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It's no coincidence that there are so many lawyers in Parliament.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38718286

Of course if they'd really believed it and better still applied that 'test' more stringently in the past before doling out asylum to all and sundry, maybe the EU would have less of a problem with intolerance and extremism than it does now...

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To be honest i think the EU wants extremism and intolerance would make a wonderful diversion and i cannot think of another reason for the ridiculously handled mass imigration into the EU that's been going on for quite a while despite plenty of evidence european citizens didn't want it.

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Well it's either gross ineptitude or there's a 'plan' of some sort it seems to me. Whatever the real reason, it's a very worrying situation and doesn't bode well for the EU's stability.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38808495

I wonder how 'welcoming' Muslims will believe this is.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7534506.html

Who'd have thought any nasty people would have been hiding amongst the hordes eh? Dealing with the known dodgy types is going to be one thing but dealing with the those unknown and preventing a good many more becoming radicalised as a result of their treatment in Germany/EU quite another. Wonder what sort of outcry there'd have been had Trump done something like this?

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...share_btn_link

Don't think those who voted for Brexit are going to get what they think.

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Correct. This is and was the biggest con of the Brexit campaign. Leaving the EU is not the answer to high immigration. As they say, "It's the economy stupid!"

Until we build an economy that doesn't need high immigration and enforce existing laws to prevent the exploitation of the low-paid EU worker then we will have high immigration. This is the main thrust of Corbyn's policy on immigration, although he doesn't call it that, and could be carried out without leaving the EU. To build an economy that doesn't need immigration we need a massive investment in education and skills development - again Corbyn's policy.

You can leave the EU and cut EU immigration if you want, but then, if nothing else is changed, there will be 10s of thousands of vacant skilled and unskilled jobs. This will have to be filled with labour from Asia, the Middle East and Africa. That will please Kippers no end!:D

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Load of crap from an unworthy source.

They will be tighter border controls as there needs to be, in some form or version or there is going to be a riot.

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Interesting .. what do you regard as worthy sources?

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TheGuardian, it is an Anti-Brexit paper and also, it says an ex-minister 'warns'. He is warning and that is all he is doing. Doesn't mean it is the truth.

Nothing is set in stone yet, no arrangements have been arranged.

But as I said, we absolutely need tighter border controls, I am all for skilled migrant workers coming in and filling in the positions, as needed but we should be closing to door to those only coming here to milk the system and do not work and there has been too many of them.

Couple of examples why I feel the way I do. I live in the North where we have had a massive influx of migrants from Eastern European Countries, like Romania and Poland.

Earlier this week, two Romanian nationals, both Women, tried to Mug an elderly gentlemen, they were manhandling him and my female friend and her dad went to his rescue, police came and all gave statements, since then police has informed the the victim and his family, the two women were Romanians and they have history of related crimes. They need to be sent back! They commit crimes and do not deserve to reside in Britain, if they do not respect the laws and the people that live here.

A few weeks ago, a fourteen year old boy was walking along a road when 3 men of Eastern European appearance (Romanian) stopped the boy and went through his pockets and school bag, a passing car with 4 Asian men, stopped and pulled over and took these men to one side, the Asians later told Police in a statement that the three men were Romanian.

On a street next to me, we have a house with either Refugees or Migrants, they have no respect for the property and surrounding environment, they chuck their rubbish in the alleyway, they throw their babies nappies out their bedroom windows, without use of nappy sacks, one landed in one of neighbours gardens. Several reports to the Council have yielded very little action.

My mothers Colleague from her works was drawing out money from a Cash machine, just before Christmas, in broad daylight ! Next news, as soon as the money appeared from the machine, she said a man with a foreign accent told her to move, pushed her and grabbed the cash and ran, however, the thief was that dumb, he ran in to a local Tesco and my mums colleague ran after them and followed him in and alerted the security guard that she had just been robbed by a man who ran in here, they held him until the Police came, the police later said the man was a Polish migrant only recently come to live here.

So I will say it again, we need tighter border controls. It's alright for those down South, in their lovely posh surroundings, who have not taken their fair share of Migrants in their community or none at all!!!

I find it a bit rich those saying, 'come in you're welcome here', but have none living in their area. You try living with some of them who are thugs who would rob you blind, you try living with Migrant neighbours who throw human crap in your garden, literally.

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Maybe they caught it from the likes of Bob Geldof, Lily Allen et al - the usual pious celebrity suspects whose lives are never directly affected but go about about telling the rest of us how much more we should do, care, give etc.

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Would really like to know how on earth people can argue that if Brexit had happened say 10 years ago, that we would have the same number of foreigners living here as we do now. Just total nonsense. If EU membership wasn't a factor, how come the influx from Eastern Europe didn't happen until they became EU members?:confused:

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on this forum you get grief for quoting from any newspaper with the word daily in the title .:)

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We already have the border controls we need. After leaving the EU, its citizens will still be able to enter the UK as now, or with a visa if that is the deal. What they won't be able to do is set up in residence or employment without a permit. They will have the same status as non-EU residents, who entered the country in greater numbers than EU citizens last year. The economy will decide which immigrants we choose to give work and residence permits to, not me, not you, not Farage and not rioting little Englanders. The alternative is to severely damage the economy and public services by allowing essential jobs to be unfilled.

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We certainly do not have the border controls we need. Let's hope it is not the deal, all indications are that it won't be despite a warning from an ex-minister to the Guardian newspaper that says or warns otherwise.

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If we hadn't joined the EU then we would have got our low-paid agricultural workers from somewhere else. There would have been plenty Commonwealth citizens happy to have filled that slot. In the long run we would have imported just as many, but perhaps not in such large spurts.

In one respect you are right. We wouldn't have had the surge in arrivals when the EU expanded. The story of the mishandled arrival of so many Poles is now legendary. Funnily enough though, if it hadn't been for their arrival our agricultural industries could not have done as well as they have and food prices would have been sky high.

A perfect example is Boston, which has had very large numbers of Poles arriving. Not only have they filled certain sorts of jobs, but they have revived industry and employment in the area. Boston now imports food from abroad to process around Boston to take advantage of available labour. New plant has been built and the port is booming. Existing non-Pole tradesmen are benefiting because all this new investment needs plumbers, builders, fitters, electricians etc. Boston now has some of the lowest unemployment in the country.

Yet, Bostonians voted heavily to leave the EU because they didn't like the way their area has changed culturally and because the government didn't provide additional funds to expand schools, hospitals etc. One thing is for sure, if they lose their influx of young and economically active Europeans Bostonians will find that it begins to diminish once more with empty premises and run-down area appearing again.

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Source

Bet they all get to stay. :rolleyes:

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Nobody seems to be confronting the problem of citizenship as opposed to migration. Short term controlled migration is one thing but confering rights of citizenship to huge numbers of people doesn't solve the problems of an increasing proportion of elderly. It does the opposite.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39562742

I dare say there'll be a queue of pious celebs, hyprocrite politicians and social media do-gooders to take them all in... :rolleyes:

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:tu: Great points. I think the issue also is that the area changed very rapidly and people understandably found this hard to cope with and reacted against it.

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I thought it was only white/western types who indulged in slavery:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39567632

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Lily Allen is being uncharacteristically silent on the issue. Perhaps Afghanistan doesn't want her apologising on their behalf?

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Saint Bob and his bandwagon jumping chums too. Odd that... :rolleyes:

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Syria only ‘weeks away’ from Bono charity single, warns UN :D

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:D

It'd be even funnier if there wasn't a serious point about all the celebrity preachers who talk the talk but not a lot else...

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they'll never top let someone else feed the world:)

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Maybe their next release will be 'Let other people house the migrants'. :)

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as bob bonio and lilly would say mi casa es mi casa ;)

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It't be interesting to know how many houses some of the holier than thou brigade own .

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The inhumanity has reached a new low :(

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Haha. Too well put not to quote. Absolutely brilliant! Haha

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Ah well it's good to see that warm migrant welcome in Austria hasn't cooled:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7661831.html

I may be wrong but I don't think the authorities here specifically record crimes etc by asylum seekers. Evidently in warm welcoming tolerant Austria they do.

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Tommy Robinson’s Critics Are Apologists for Radical Islam Delingpole may just have a point:

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Excerpt from an interesting article http://www.economist.com/news/britai...grationparadox

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One in seven of the millions of working-age European Union migrants in the UK are out of work

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scroungers

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The 'Liberal left' are far from liberal if you happen not to agree with them.

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Well the Pope thinks some of the EU's migration centres are akin to concentration camps. I'm not sure I agree with his analogy but if that's the case maybe the Vatican ought to be doing a bit more than a few token gestures to free some of these people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39685253

If he thinks that:

He's living in cloud cuckoo land because there are millions of refugees who, according to his logic, deserve safety in the EU.

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Conservatives to soften their approach.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ration-target/

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Ah, isn't that nice, they're just a bunch of softies after all ;) (or maybe​ realised we need immigrants)

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Now that UKIP is a spent force and the Conservatives have a great poll lead, they can afford to be less strict in this area.

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Complete nonsense, think you are forgetting (conveniently), the catalyst to 17.4 Million people voting leave last year, so no they cannot afford to be less strict at all.

It's all well and good you and Mr K say we need immigrants, where the bloody hell are 300K immigrants that keep arriving every year to be housed, in a country with a chronic housing shortage ?

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What I'm saying is that now UKIP is nearly finished, the Conservatives electorally seem to be worrying less about the issue.
Most of the immigration numbers are so poorly collected that the first thing we need is some accurate data before we can start making policy in this area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/330350...being-counted/
http://www.economist.com/news/britai...m-survey-began

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Just because there has been a hint, means nothing and even if it does not make a Manifesto, does not mean they will allow the same failed open door policies that exist now.

So stop getting all excited about nothing and you still haven't answered me how we are to continue to house the 300K immigrants we get each year?

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You might well be right . One positive of a large Tory majority is they can tell the right wing where to get off instead of having to pander to them all the time. May is so confident, she's not promised not to raise taxes, no guarantee on the pension lock and now the daft immigration target seems to have been dropped. I sense some on the right are starting to get uneasy on how this might pan out. e.g this from the Torygraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...abour-raising/

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No it hasn't.

FFS, get some decent glasses and stop reading stuff that just is not there. :rolleyes:

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I said 'seems' to have been dropped Mick, I think it's you who needs the glasses.

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Mark Wallace (executive editor of Conservative Home) wrote an influential piece for Saturday's Financial Times whose headline sums up the thrust of his article "New Tory supporters will alter government priorities".

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And you are still wrong with seems, so no I don't! :dozey:

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When we've got some proper numbers we can start proscribing solutions. I don't think there's a magic solution to UK housing but we definitely need to stem the concentration of business and government in London. There's empty housing in places like Blackpool and Newcastle but the jobs aren't there. There's lonely elderly people staying in four-bedroomed houses who would love some company whilst there's young people crammed to the nines in small houses wishing for some space. There's council houses being sold off and repurchased by councils for several times what they sold them for.
People sometimes imagine that there is a fixed number of jobs and houses. Both have grown over time and we now have a record number of people in employment. But I appreciate in some trades and areas it may not feel that way.

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Wrong answer. The solution to 300K yearly immigration figures is to reduce it and significantly, not squeeze more and more in and surely to hell, you are not suggesting house immigrants with old people?

Driving home in last half hour, I just saw Romanians with ladders, a TV and baseball bat, obviously just been on the thief. :rolleyes:

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The target is not being dropped, apparently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39840503

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A pledge they have twice made and failed on before !

A pledge to make sure we have a the skills and workforce necessary in future me might be more useful, whether they are immigrants or not.

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But as usual, you fail to include where all these extra immigrants are to be housed. Typical. :rolleyes:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40338987

I'm only surprised this hasn't happened many times before. You have to wonder how it is that in a developed country like France roads like this can be blocked by illegals seemingly at will.

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Having spoken to some of the truckers at a local firm that does continental delivery they avoid calais as much as possible as this is one of many problems drivers get beat up and trucks and trailers damaged and apart from when the media cameras are rolling the french do as little as possible. Personally if the french police cannot keep the highways open deploy the military allowing a major trade artery to be this affected is ridiculous.

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I find the whole jungle thing bizarre but the French don't seem to have the will to deal with it once and for all. Maybe they quite like having a stick to beat the UK with... :shrug:

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Insufficient housing is being built in the UK because we are 50,000 construction workers short. If only attacks on Mr K would conjure up these much-needed construction workers!

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Righties won't like the news that Theresa May has canned immigration targets.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3569921.html

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Brexit has not yet occurred yet. Give it time and don't get your open door hopes up. Btw not just a Righties view that people expect controlled borders. :rolleyes:

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I believe both Jeremy Corbyn and Righties want strong immigration controls. Everyone expects controlled borders though, that's a different point.

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I think there is more issues with available land, but shortage of housing is down to increased population and increases in immigration, to the tune of hundreds of thousands, which we cannot afford to keep ignoring, unless you're feeling more welcoming and letting some move in with you. :rolleyes:

Also. No one is attacking Mr K, he is being challenged on his somewhat frequent inaccurate views, so enough of that inaccurate accusation.

As for shortage of construction workers, here is an idea, let's stop exploiting cheap foreign labourers that have priced skilled British workers out of a job! :rolleyes:

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What was inaccurate about what Mr K said? Nothing.

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I beg to differ. How long you got ? :rolleyes:

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Some people can't seem to grasp that what's wanted is CONTROL, that's all.

If we need construction workers (or anyone else for that matter) we invite them to come, if we don't we don't. It's really not rocket science. Better still we actually get on with training our own people to do the jobs we need them to do.

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Exactly what I have being saying from day one Osem, but it would seem Andrew and his few buddies, want to call us out for wanting restricted access. Pffft, whatever.

Yes, too right! I want restricted access to riff raff elements from other EU States. I am sick of seeing reports about people around here being mugged by Romanian nationals.

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They can't/won't accept it because doing so deprives them of the ability to claim, with any degree of credibility, that those who voted for Brexit are all racists and xenophobes. It's the same tired old narrative they've always employed.

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Enough.

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That's your strawman narrative, no on else's.

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They can and should be deported if they break the law.

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If we are short of construction workers it's likely a good percentage of the shortage are UK citizens who have left the building trade because of constant undercutting from firms with high levels of migrant workers. In my own family two have swapped their building careers for other trades as they got fed up of having to compete against the foreign workers. More foreign workers isn't the answer in the construction industry and will only serve to create a larger issue when they all leave in the future. Apart from the usual knuckle dragger groups i haven't heard a single person talking about shutting our borders and not allowing anyone in that's absolutely stupid we of course need skilled people coming in to fill shortages granted I'd prefer it to run alongside proper effective training schemes to train our own citizens to do the jobs but you can't have everything in life.

We have allowed ridiculous levels of immigration into the UK in the last 20 years numbers we won't be able to adequately support for decades and we have to get the figures back to a semblence of reality ideally without another labour government to run another social experiment and i think they got off light over that whole incident.

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UK population rise of 538,000 is biggest for 70 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40372533

60% due to net migration.

Of course they're all NHS nurses, fruit pickers, hotels workers etc so that's fine.

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and there'll be no extra burden on services or anything else.

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We're short of fruit-pickers so that assertion is wrong as I fear all your others are too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business

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So all of them are filling constructive roles in our society then any proof for that assumption as it's generally accepted that we have a high level of illegals. We are a small island that isn't constructing housing much less the supporting infrastructure to accomadate what we have let alone more. Past governments were stupid in relation to immigration and the financial and social costs haven't even started to come due yet but when they do this country will look back on this time as "the good old days".