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I don’t disagree. I’m just suggesting if and when ESPN drops out of the XL package most customers will identify XL as a HD package more than anything else. It’s a view that’s already building momentum here and on other forums and social networks.

The story about French people moving to London was interesting. Surely they would try and get a satellite to watch home programming prior to subscribing to the XL package just for TV5?

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I think the issue for VM with Lovefilm/Netflix is that it conflicts with their On Demand stuff. Ie currently you pay VM for a film, if they make Netflix/Love Film available as an app, there is nothing in it for them as all the revenue goes to those companies

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Not confirmed yet.

BT hope to get the go-ahead to take over ESPN by July 31st.

ESPN did launch on August 3rd 2009 so BT may launch their on August 1st 2013.

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I'm not sure that's true. It would be a bit like saying that when a book is sold in a bookshop all the money goes to the publisher and the bookseller gets nothing. I'm certain if such a deal was to be in place VM would get a nice slice of the money we subscribers pay. I take you point about any Lovefilm/Netflix deal detracting from VM's own on-demand offering. That sounds like it might be the real reason any such deal is taking so long.

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The only RTÉ channel officially broadcasting to the UK is RTÉ Radio 1 (LW) - presumably the reason for Telewest taking this channel.

There's no reason why VM should be restricted by RTÉ's legacy arrangements with Sky. All RTÉ radio channels are now available on Saorsat and Saorview, RTÉ has chosen not to incur the additional expense of simulcasting on Astra / Sky. It's debatable whether they will choose to continue simulcasting the channels you have mentioned on Sky when their current contract expires.

RTÉ geo-restricts any content not intended to reach the UK on their on-line RTÉ Player / RTÉ Radioplayer - The digital radio channels are made available to UK listeners, which is why I suggested that you include them for completeness. Ultimately, it's your decision. In all probability, VM will either continue to carry RTÉ Radio 1 without adding any other channels or it will drop the channel completely. Not a big deal considering they are all available on-line in any event.

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Its all spin though really, everyone does it in different ways, Virgin shout out Free HD, Sky shout out Free Broadband

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The VIP for many represents excellent value but because Sky premium is included your view is your not paying for it ? Sky World HD bundle includes the HD pack does that mean under your way of thinking that customers selecting that are not being charged for HD. :confused:

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I can now see what VM are doing this year

ESPN is going as we know which is a big pull for the XL pack so over the next 5 or 6 months I can see a lot of HD channels been added to this pack to off set the loss of the ESPN channels

BT Sport will then be added but on a pay per month basis like sky sports

The XL pack currently has 26 HD channels I think I wouldn't be surprised if thats some where between 34 & 40 by the time ESPN shuts

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As long as any new channels that come on are not +1 channels. And l dont mind paying for BT Sports, as long as it isn't expensive./

I think that BT Sports will be on the same lines as ESPN - free

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I cannot see that at all sorry. They are looking to maximise income not viewers.....

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Oh, there's still quite a few +1 channels around that could be added. :D

Not a major problem as there isn't a shortage of space and anyone who doesn't want to watch these channels doesn't have to...

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Indeed, the only place they would wish to maximise viewers would be on their own platform.

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Then BT Sports could be making losses for quite a considerable while.

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+1 is a horrid expression. I prefer Other Half as in Challenge Other Half..... :-)

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Den I have been thinking this. The prices they have paid do not make sense to me. Also they seem determined to throw away the DTT subscribers to ESPN.

I think this is a heck of a gamble to try and increase broadband customers. It may work but the sport is a strange gamble.

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No, it follows that they would wish to maximise income from other platforms. Maximum revenue/customer rather than offering the channels at a discount to the masses.

If they give the channels away to XL viewers on VM, it's hardly going to help them build the user base on their own platform.

As for losses, it's probably a loss leader anyway, to build interest in their own product.

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Which is why I usually say timeshifted channels, although even that doesn't sound too wonderful. :p:

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But the problem is that there is only so much money swilling around and customers have a finite amount of money and whatever they do things l personally think it will fail in the medium to long run unless BT are prepared to subsidise it for many many years to come as a considerable loss leader.

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I would have to agree, I can see no way that BT will get any return on the huge investment buying PLR for the length of time that they have the rights.

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You are not seeing the bigger picture, they do not have to make a profit on the football for it to be a success.

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SKY might have lost a lot of money in the beginning in sports rights, but look at them now, the question is have BT got deep enough pockets and the nerve to stay in it for the long haul?

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I fully understand what BT wish to achieve, but I cannot see BT shareholders being to happy with the situation unless BT can show some substantial growth in their products as a result of this huge investment. There were rumblings at the last shareholder meeting.

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Were we? Got a link?

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This link says something, but I'm not sure this is the right link.

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/1016...-video-demand/

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That's all I could find as well.

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Found this from a while ago!!

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35282035-post834.html

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That seems to be the only reference to on demand.

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Come on SP you know far more then you are letting on.:)

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UKTV have only just launched Dave on Demand (it has been around a bit on their website but for literally one or two shows) for iOS and their website, I'm sure it'll be on Sky & Virgin soon.

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Dave on demand is already on SKy. It has shows like Mock The Week, QI XL and Top Gear.

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So there's no excuse really for VM on this one.

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Well Virgin seem to be adding new content almost every week at the moment. Dave on demand could easily be on it's way.

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Indeed in terms of channels coming our way l for one am very happy with the way things have been playing out so far this year but new VOD content has stalled somewhat in the last year.

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Well then, I'd expect it in the next few weeks for us.

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Sports fanatics seem to reach very deeply into their pockets to get the content they want to see, which is part of the problem.

If it is correct that BT want to overtake VM to become the second largest pay-tv provider. They aren't going to make that task any easier by making the BT Sports channels available to the masses on VM.

BT have already passed VM to become the largest fibre network. Sky's acquisition of Telefonica's fixed line / broadband service in the UK means that Sky will overtake VM to become the second largest broadband provider. The big players do seem to be attempting to force VM into third place in all markets.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

I wonder if Mr B skimmed through and only noticed the reference to HD.

I know nothing!

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It looks like BT will have Infinity rolled out accross their whole network by the time BT Sports launches in August. My local exchange is enabled at the end of this month. The BT website suggests i'll be able to get 70mb down, 20mb up. These are great speeds with no limits, shaping or restrictions. I noted many parts of the UK won't be enabled until June. I think BT will be very noisy in July and August pushing deals for Infinity, You View and BT Sports. I think both Virgin and SKY will be watching carefully.

http://www.fibremap.bt.com/

Once Infinity is rolled out will BT's fibre be the fastest truly unrestricted non-commercial broadband service in the UK? I honestly don't know the answer as I don't really follow broadband news.

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To be fair BT already had a national footprint and it was VM or previous companies (NTL/Telewest) that forced BT up their game regarding broadband.They have untold wealth compared to VM so I would expect them to become the 2nd largest pay tv provider in the next few years.

Do VM care if they are in 3rd place? Probably not, its all about can they operate a business and make money, answer yes they can, hence Liberty getting in on the action.

Its interesting to see comments in other publications saying Sky leap frog Virgin Media to become the 2nd largest BB provider in the UK, when actually it means nothing. The same as in 5 months time Liberty Global will be able to say Europes largest broadband provider will also mean nothing.

Virgin as a brand have always been the under dog, (look at how they have survived in the airline business) and I fully expect them to contiinue to be a nich player whatever their heavy weight competition do

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BIB, Not sure if I am stealing another posters thunder here (if I am I apologize), but if all SS1,2,3,4 cancelled their subscriptions en masse, Sky would soon drop their charges. Alas,though, everyone will keep paying over the odds for football that used to be free-to-air on a Sunday, even though they have the power to change it.

What a sad state, and, era of televisual entertainment we live in:-(

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Just a word of warning Bt are not the great panacea some people think they are. My daughter has had nothing but problems with BT since she started her business up nearly two years ago.

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You must be joking. This has dates to 2015, and no mention of my exchange at all. A postcode search simply says "Status: Not currently in rollout plans".

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As does mine , ADSL here for me by the looks of it , fibre through BT seems a distant dream.

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How would the share holders feel? Surely dropping down to 3rd spot wouldn't have a positive effect on the share price.

Personally I can't see BT taking over Virgin as the second top pay TV provider. BT currently have about 3.1 million less TV customers than Virgin.

People moving from Freesat and Freeview to pay TV has stagnated over the past 18 months and shows no real sign of improving. It looks like BT will need to target Virgin and SKY customers directly to grow their own TV customer numbers. I just can't see millions of SKY and Virgin customers leaving to go to BT unless BT offer their services at ridiculously low prices.

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What do you mean I must be joking? I posted the source of the information. If the source is wrong or inaccurate it's nothing to do with me.

Thanks for sharing a more accurate source.

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A little optimistic perhaps. Although it was recently announced in the local press here that local exchanges will be upgraded in 2014. The last time I enquired there was no schedule for the upgrade. It does appear that BT are speeding up the roll out.

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Probably not as VM don't have national coverage anyway. For marketing and investment purposes however, second place is always going to sound better than third.

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Exactly, as I said, the fact that sports fans keep reaching further into their pockets is part of the problem.

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Yeah, Spiderplant already pointed that out. You did it more gently however :D

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We had BT Internet at work a few years ago and I would tend to agree with what you are saying.

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LOL, yes I just read that. The roll out schedule in Spiderplant's link is quite useful, much better than the information readily available from BT.

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This might help, search for your exchange by postcode, click on the exchange name and check your FTTC status under BT Wholesale Information.

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search

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Good point on the shareholders Chad but they will look at Liberty shares which analysts assume will go up by as much as 20 dollars on completion of the deal.

VM will drop to 3rd, however will Liberty advertise, join VM part of Europes largest broadband provider or will they re brand as VM in Europe where the brand is also well known through the megastores. Apparently there was uproar when the Paris branch closed recently.

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The link you posted has no mention of "rolled out accross their whole network by the time BT Sports launches in August" as far as I can see. Where is that?

I tried Sam Knows, but sadly he doesn't.

I've a suspicion fibre will never reach here. It'll be overtaken by wireless technologies.

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You've not quoted my full post:

"It looks like BT will have Infinity rolled out accross their whole network by the time BT Sports launches in August."

http://www.fibremap.bt.com/

The information available at the above website suggests almost all of the exchanges, apart from a small minority, will be updated by June 2013. BT Sports is expected to launch in August. We have since ascertained the information provided on the above website is not 100% accurate.

I don't think there was anything wrong with what I posted originally, I'm sorry that you do.

Let's get this thread back on topic. You're the inside man around here, the mole in the hole with all the latest content news. What channels have you guys been working on securing recently? Is there any truth that the ITV HD channels may be coming soon. Have talks started for BT Sports?

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Ah, I see. I have no reason to doubt its accuracy, but it simply doesn't mention exchanges where there are no plans for the next few months. Moving on...

You've been here long enough to know I don't do leaks. But your last question is answered here

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Oh that's really old news now SP.;)

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I agree let's move forward.

Cheers for the info

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How do you go to the toilet then LOL:D

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Virgin Media would still take their cut from the subscriptions. They will have to face up to Lovefilm/Netflix soon anyway, as these services are available already on 'connected' TVs.

VM should think seriously also about providing films from Virgin Movies on a subscription basis, either as an on demand feature or as a linear TV channel. I would be more likely to watch them then.

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I did make the point that obviously the money required for VM to support HD is contained in the overall charge to its customers. The real issue is whether VM have an additional charge for HD, and I was reminding everyone that when the HD channels came in, the price of our packages was not increased as a result.

As for Sky Movies and Sky Sports, I am now getting HD (which I didn't before) and the cost has actually gone down! So where is this 'additional charge' that people keep talking about?

VM are quite right to say that they offer HD for no additional cost.

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How much of a cut do you honestly think Netflix are willing to give up on a subscription that costs £5.99 , I'm sure the profit margins aren't massive too start with.
They would have to get the rights to do this , that's not easy when Sky , Netflix and Lovefilm have subscription rights deals signed.

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I'm not sure if there is a rights issue however TiVo never automatically recorded a movie for me as a suggestion. If TiVo could do this, you'd quickly start to collate a decent amount of movies from the likes of Film 4, TCM, Channel 4, Channel 5, ITV 2 etc..... to watch when you want at no extra cost.

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You don't have to watch them, Arthur. Some of us like to have the the +1 channels to give additional recording options. As it doesn't affect you, I don't understand why you are complaining about them.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Possibly, or perhaps BT haven't fixed a date at this point in time.

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Well, BT are not going to give it away after paying all that money for the football rights!

VM will negotiate a charge that BT are prepared to agree, and then what package that appears on and whether VM make an extra charge to their XL customers is really up to VM.

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The only way it would work on that basis would be to bundle it into the xl pack so that Virgin could guarantee netflix a certain number of customers. That won't happen. I'm sure the real reason these apps haven't arrived yet is the fact that they compete directly with filmflex, and even if only from a cost point of view, they're better value.

Personally I think Blinkbox is the answer - ppv rather than subscription. The addition of this one service alone to TiVo would make the apps section market leading in my opinion.

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I don't mind HD or +1 channels coming to VM as long as we get other channels also. HD and +1 channels are obviously the same content that is available on the SD variant. I think the majority of customer's would prefer to have more different content rather than the same but in better quality or an hour later.

I would also like Netflix to become available on TiVo, I hate having to watch things on my ipad or laptop. I would use my Netflix subscription a lot more if I could watch it on the TV.

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Of course not, neither will they want to see VM claiming "BT Sports channels now available as part of the XL pack". They have paid out a lot of money for the rights. The only logical reason for paying that much would be to make them available on their own platform with the price set at a level which encourages users to switch to their platform. They won't want VM stealing their thunder and using the channels as a selling point for a competing platform.

Assuming that BT wants to make the channels available to XL customers and assuming XL customers want to start paying extra for sports channels initially added "at no extra cost". Clearly, the ESPN channels have been attractive to the sports fans on the XL package but it would be difficult to sell any increase in price to the many subscribers not interested in sport.

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Of course the counter argument to that is that if Bt want to challenge Sky Sports in the longer term they'll want to get the initial offering in front of as many viewers as possible.

The answer is that we just don't know what will happen, but it would be nice to have an idea.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Exactly so you agree with my original point that we all pay for HD one way or another. :D

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Saying that Virgin customers do not pay for HD is one of those things that if repeated enough becomes fact. In truth it's nonsense. HD is best served with sport, movies and natural world. If you want that with virgin you pay for it.

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Yes but that won't help them overtake VM to become the second largest pay-tv platform. They could have done something like that without starting their own platform if that had been the ultimate aim.

Perhaps they are just copying Sky. Sky use sports content to get additional subscribers (exclusive HD channels such as Sky Sports HD 3 / 4 / F1). It has worked for Sky...

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What worked for Sky jj does not necessarily mean that it will work for BT as remember Sky have been at it 20 years and thus compared to Sky BT is still a amateur trying to play in the top division.

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plus bt not got as much money as sky have either so sky will always outbid them

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BT has far more money than Sky Dave however their core business has always been Broadband and landline , strengthening the TV side helps them promote triple play and increase fibre penetration.

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MM don't forget New Corp own 39.14% of BSKYB and they wanted to they could swallow BT whole.

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Indeed, but it does appear to be the direction they are taking...

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With their current reputation as it is, I think the regulators would have something to say about that. :p:

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I would severely doubt that Den , BT had Revenues of £19 billion.

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New Corp market value is between $60 to $80 billion MM and BT has a market capitalisation of approximately £15 billion.

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Can anyone tell WHAT MOVIE channels are available on VM.

I know PICTUREBOX, SKY MOVIES, i was under the impression that there were more channels ie MGM, FILMFLEX and others similar.

Any ideas.

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There is a list on this page of the others http://store.virginmedia.com/digital...els/index.html

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Yes, but we do not pay 'extra'. We pay for the package, and that's it.

I understand the point you are making, it's all down to presentation. But VM are still correct in saying that they do not charge 'extra' for HD.

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Arthur, do you not have an EPG?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Bt's stated plan was to out bid Sky for Premier League rights. They fell short and ended up paying over the odds for the lesser package of rights. They're already well on plan b with this.

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Filmflex is now known as Virgin Movies. Picturebox and Virgin Movies can be found in the On Demand section. The Sky Movies and other movie channels are listed in the 400 range on your EPG.

MGM HD is a joint partnership between Sky and MGM, only available on Sky.

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As I said, they could have done that years ago without needing to start their own platform. Sky & BT paying out ever increasing sums to outbid each other is only going to mean higher prices for the consumer. It might be a good time to cancel sports channel subs for a while and help bring this madness to an end.

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Many thanks for that, Yes l do have an EPG, but l didn't know that Filmflex was now Virgin Movies.

I go On Demand quite a lot, but l always thought that VM had quite a lot of 'movie choice' If l am not wrong didn't they also used to have Warner Brothers as well.

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Warner TV is listed under channels in the on demand section. It's TV shows made by Warner rather than movies.

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NewsCorp effectively buying the entire national telco network would never get past the regulator let alone the government, don't delude yourself.

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l never said it would get past the regulator let alone the government so please don't make kneejerk assumptions.:erm:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

well they were very close to owning 100% of sky

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And I'm sure they still will in the not to distant future.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Exactly as they might not have got their prize this time but will no doubt in time get what they want.

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If VM want to provide the BT sports channels on their XL package, I have no doubt that this is what VM will do. BT will set the price, but surely it is up to VM how they package this for their viewers.

BT will want VM to be taking BT Sports because they have considerable costs to recoup and I don't think their shareholders will be very pleased if they missed an opportunity to offset those costs by having the channel on another platform.

As for 'selling' any price increase to VM customers, maybe that's what the latest price hike was all about!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

I'm really hoping for the ITV channels in HD! I already get STV HD, so having at least ITV2 HD will be a bonus for me :)

Fingers crossed anyway.

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They would charge wholesale prices, and VM may even add charges of their own. For the convenience of having all this on the TIVO box, it would be worth it.

If BT Sports are to be on offer to us as a subscription, the money they save on the ESPN arrangements as part of the XL pack could just be diverted to make a Netflix deal possible.

There are various ways that VM could make this a viable proposition that would attract customers to its platform and prevent existing customers from leaving. I hope that this all becomes clear by the time BT Sports starts broadcasting.

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and things will get lot worse if they ever do IMHO I hope they dont

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I don't see that as the case. You can get neat, small form factor media players from around £60 upwards that will do Netflix. Netflix is on many new blueray players and TVs, so I don't understand why people are hanging around, waiting for netflix to be added to Tivo.

But also, and a very important consideration, Netflix really comes into it's own when used with a service such as Unblockus, which allows access to the other netflix regions' catalogue. You won't be able to use the unblockus type service on a Netflix Tivo app.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Got to agree. I've got access to Netflix and Lovefilm via my smart TV, my blu-ray player, my Wii, my Xbox, my PC, my iPad and my mobile. I know not everyone will have these options however most homes in the UK do have access to at the very least one if not two of these devices.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

If the rumours are true ITV2 HD will be launching soon on Virgin Media.

(Still waiting for an insider to confirmed if true or not)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

What about ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD?.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

If the rumours are true ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD will also be launching soon on Virgin Media.

(Again still waiting for an insider to confirmed if true or not)

Here is the latest rumours I have:

COMING SOON TO VIRGIN MEDIA (NOT CONFIRMED):

ITV2 HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch ITV2 HD on Virgin Channel 176 soon.

ITV3 HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch ITV3 HD on Virgin Channel 177 soon.

ITV4 HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch ITV4 HD on Virgin Channel 178 soon.

Animal Planet HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch Animal Planet HD on Virgin Channel 217 soon.

Universal Channel HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch Universal Channel HD soon.

E! HD (Soon).
Virgin Media may launch E! HD soon.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Thank MB.

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Ahh I get it. Those of us that don't want a TiVo have to pay for those who do. There may be various ways that VM could make it a viable proposition, but that isn't one of them.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

So because you don't want TiVo, VM should not do any deals for us that do have one. That sounds fair. I don't like sport but I don't say ESPN should not be in the XL pack because I don't want it.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

Netflix should not be given any money by Virgin, nor would they setup a new business model other than the brilliant £6 flat rate.

Like with the European 3DS, if Netflix had any intention of porting their US app they would have done so by now.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

That may not be the case. Tivo launched a new version of the Netflix app last May, so if one was coming to VM's Tivo, then it would make sense to wait for the new app, (which is one of the best Netflix apps). I know May was 9 months ago, but it does take time to port them to the VM Tivo, which is why we are still waiting for the missing HD menus.

I'm not saying that Netflix is coming to Tivo, but if it is, the new version of the app could account for the delay

http://www.techofthehub.com/2012/05/...on-review.html

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

That's not what I'm saying at all, course VM should do deals for those that have one. But TiVo apps should be funded either from the TiVo charge (which still exists even if VM try to hide it in their collections) or by the third party (in this case Netflix) who are going to benefit financially from it's creation.

My thoughts on the ESPN situation are that either it will be replaced by BT Sport and I'll keep taking XL, or It wont be, and I'll drop down to M+ and get BT Sport. But the thought of having to contribute to the creation of an app for a box that I don't ever want to own, that I already have built into my Blu ray, my TV and can be added to my PC (which is connected to my TV), my phone or my tablet yet I choose not to use, is ludicrous.

The fairest thing to do is add another £1 to the monthly TiVo charge for TiVo app development.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

With any pay TV service, we all pay for things we don't want or watch. That's the nature of a pay TV service.

I don't watch sport, so don't care about ESPN being part of XL and I could theoretically object to the money that VM are paying ESPN. But that would be a short sighted view. ESPN is free as part of the XL package to attract customers and the resulting increased revenue. It is the same with apps and features on Tivo; it is there to attract more people to Tivo and VM. So just as I accept VM paying for a service I don't use in order to attract more customers and more revenue, you need to accept the same thing in regards to increased Tivo functionality.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

I understand the concept of bundled channels and have no problem in paying for channels I never watch. But the TiVo issue is different. There is a separate charge for TiVo that many people like me, have chosen not to pay. To me, TiVo offers nothing I want to pay extra for over my V+.

For you, it does, I understand that too. You have decided to pay more for what TiVo offers. I haven't. I'll leave you to work out the rest, if you can't see that anything for TiVo users should be paid for in the TiVo charge I'm sorry for you.

Hey. If we got all the BB and phone only users to pay an extra £3 a month each, we TV customers could all have free Sky Movies. They'd be happy to stump up I'm sure. :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.
 

I know virgin

media has been busy doing the harlem shake on youtube swansea sheffield social team and india i feel a competition in the air.

So heres mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62YZy...A3im9A&index=1