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MovedGoalPosts 26-09-2012 12:12
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Trial to be next September : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19725264

My the wheels of justice turn appallingly slowly. If there is sufficient evidence to charge, then there is sufficient evidence to put to court. Neither the defence or prosecution should need a further year to prepare. Maybe it is a complex case, needing many witnesses to be arranged and a lengthy court period, but even so, whether or not there is guilt, is if fair to keep the accused and victims in limbo for so long?

Maggy 26-09-2012 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35478070)
Trial to be next September : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19725264

My the wheels of justice turn appallingly slowly. If there is sufficient evidence to charge, then there is sufficient evidence to put to court. Neither the defence or prosecution should need a further year to prepare. Maybe it is a complex case, needing many witnesses to be arranged and a lengthy court period, but even so, whether or not there is guilt, is if fair to keep the accused and victims in limbo for so long?
It would nice if it could be kept in the public's mind for as long as possible so that Leveson's final report can't be ignored or misplaced.

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http://hackinginquiry.org/news/hacke...at-conference/

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Not only do the Liberal Democrats endorse the need for independent regulation of the press and accept that it may be necessary to bolster it with legislation – both of them views held by Hacked Off – but they also see no need to negotiate on the issue with their coalition partners, the Conservatives.
Not that many are listening to the Lib Dems these days.:erm:

In fact this might be a place to keep up with the hacking issues.

https://www.facebook.com/hackinginquiry

Maggy 26-09-2012 20:27
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19720752

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Actor Steve Coogan has said he fears any changes to press regulation recommended by the Leveson Inquiry may be delayed by "political obsfucation".
Speaking at the Lib Dem conference, Mr Coogan said he was worried politicians might "kick the ball around" rather than implement changes immediately
I fear he may be right..

Maggy 07-10-2012 00:20
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...-phone-hacking

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More than 50 victims of phone hacking, including a number of top celebrities, have written to David Cameron expressing fury at suggestions that the coalition government could reject tough new laws that would see the press policed by an independent regulator.
In a move designed to send the issue to the top of the agenda at the Tory conference, they warn the prime minister that trust in the media cannot be restored if the press is allowed to continue with a system of self-regulation.
Celebrities including Hugh Grant, Jude Law and Charlotte Church, as well as 7/7 victims and members of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, have signed an open letter expressing alarm at reports that Cameron intends to reject any form of statutory regulation of the press if such a recommendation is made by the Leveson inquiry.
Seems the ground is being laid by this government to stick with the status quo.:rolleyes::mad:

Russ 07-10-2012 08:21
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I'd say it's more likely to be that the press have enough dirt on certain people in power to be able to keep things as they are.

Sirius 07-10-2012 09:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35482321)
I'd say it's more likely to be that the press have enough dirt on certain people in power to be able to keep things as they are.
:clap: I feel the press still don't see what they did wrong and continue to do wrong.

Maggy 07-10-2012 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35482332)
:clap: I feel the press still don't see what they did wrong and continue to do wrong.
Oh they know what they did wrong but don't care because they like the status quo with them in charge and pulling the strings..

Sirius 07-10-2012 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35482348)
Oh they know what they did wrong but don't care because they like the status quo with them in charge and pulling the strings..
Thats just one of the reasons i dont buy there comics

Maggy 23-10-2012 00:16
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20036822

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Four people have issued High Court claims against the Daily and Sunday Mirror and The People, accusing the newspapers of phone hacking, their solicitor has told the BBC.
Solicitor Mark Lewis said the claims were filed against publisher Mirror Group Newspapers (MGN) on Monday.
The four claimants include former England football manager Sven-Goran Eriksson.
So now it's not just Murdoch's papers..The net widens.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20031173

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Two national newspapers found guilty of contempt of court over their coverage of Levi Bellfield's conviction for the murder of Milly Dowler have been fined.
The Daily Mail and Daily Mirror were each fined £10,000 by two judges at the High Court in London in a case brought by Attorney General Dominic Grieve.
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During the contempt case earlier this year, the judges were told that stories in the Mail and Mirror were part of an "avalanche" of adverse publicity that followed the guilty verdicts against Bellfield.
Jurors had still been considering a charge that Bellfield had attempted to abduct Rachel Cowles, then aged 11, the day before he snatched 13-year-old Milly in Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, in 2002.
Sir John Thomas and Mr Justice Tugendhat heard that as a result of the "totality" of the publicity, the Old Bailey jury was discharged from returning a verdict on that count.
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The action was brought against Associated Newspapers, publisher of the Mail, and MGN, publisher of the Mirror.
If there was any sort of statutory regulation of the press that had worked at the time he would have been found guilty.

Derek 23-10-2012 06:12
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Piers Morgan getting done for perjury?

That thought gives me a warm glow inside.

denphone 20-11-2012 13:24
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Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks face Operation Elveden charges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20405915

Mick Fisher 20-11-2012 14:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35499487)
Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks face Operation Elveden charges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20405915
That cheered me up no end. :)

Sirius 20-11-2012 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35499514)
That cheered me up no end. :)
So it did turn out to be a good day :)

Maggy 22-11-2012 19:57
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...y-8343289.html

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The report from the first part of the Leveson Inquiry into press standards is to be released next Thursday.
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Inquiry chairman Lord Justice Leveson will publish the report, which is expected to include recommendations for the future regulation of the British press, at 1.30pm next Thursday, followed by an "on-camera statement".
The report will be laid in both Houses of Parliament, the inquiry said, and will be available on its website once it has been laid in Parliament.
http://hackinginquiry.org/news/voice...-now-be-heard/

thenry 21-12-2012 18:38
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Breaking News: Hugh Grant accepts subtantial sum from NOTW.

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 Hugh Grant will fight until election to derail press regulation 'stitch-up'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ion-hugh-grant

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 Mother of Hugh Grant's daughter sues Daily Mail publisher
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ues-daily-mail

Julian 10-01-2013 20:28
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Police officer guilty of trying to sell information to the NOTW

LINKY

Apparnetly the Judge may not jail her because she is adopting a child.

So you now know what to do to avoid jail time. :rolleyes:

Derek 11-01-2013 08:45
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35521728)
Police officer guilty of trying to sell information to the NOTW
If she was trying to be a whistleblower she went about it in the completely wrong way.

It does raise the question of priorities if counter terrorism operations are being scaled back to investigate phone hacking.

denphone 13-02-2013 13:00
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two current Sun staff among six new arrests.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/fe...-staff-arrests

denphone 08-03-2013 10:07
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Ex-police officer admits selling John Terry information to Sun.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21711544

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An ex-police officer has admitted selling information, including details about footballer John Terry's mother, to the Sun newspaper.

Alan Tierney, 40, a former Surrey police constable, pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey to two offences of misconduct in a public office.

Prison service worker Richard Trunkfield also pleaded guilty to misconduct in public office.

Both were charged as part of Operation Elveden into corrupt payments.

It is being run alongside Scotland Yard's Operation Weeting, which is looking into phone hacking.

Julian 14-03-2013 11:08
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Mirror now implicated.

LINKY

No surprises there.

Maggy 14-03-2013 21:27
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http://labourlist.org/2013/03/news-i...st-six-months/

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Today The Sun issued a correction to a story about Gordon Brown. That might sound unremarkable, but it’s the 8th time a News International paper has issued a correction about Gordon Brown since October.
Hmm!

Damien 14-03-2013 21:42
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Did Gordon Brown really never publicly accuse The Sun of hacking medical records? I thought he did? Oh wait, article said blagging. I don't think it's a much of a correction since Brown accused them of worse....

Hugh 14-03-2013 21:44
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Social Engineering, rather than hacking, I believe.

mertle 14-03-2013 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35548349)
You wonder if the propaganda influenced voters to effect the election.

There should be regulations to stop fabricating news. I though mindful without press prying we would not get scoops.

What do make cameron spat walking from meeting to shape regulations talk on internet he was advised too.:(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21785611

It was shocking comment by the spokeswomen from the victims that cameron not seen fit to go see them talk to them. She said he cant look them in the eye. While not having courtesy to meet them he gone talked to press barons.

My feeling he should not be in any way shape involved in shaping regulations. He tainted with his close association with brookes and others. Also think anyone else close in parliment should be removed for this motion. whether ed milibrand anyone else. Also think clegg(which think he neighbour is murdock lobbyist) should take no part.

If they do this in council voting councillors has to declare links remove themselves from the chamber, else vote if found later it can be challenged. Surely parliment should follow same rules.

Damien 14-03-2013 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35548358)
Social Engineering, rather than hacking, I believe.
Well that is blagging...

Derek 14-04-2013 21:12
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Interesting piece about the long bail times of suspects and how certain groups are strangely silent on the matter.

http://huff.to/14CoYcG

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Many have spent well over a year under arrest and on bail like Mike and I did, but their suffering continues. So what has Liberty, supposedly Britain's biggest campaigner for individual rights and at the forefront of the worldwide fight to protect human freedom, had to say about this? Or Amnesty International, so fervent when it comes to fighting for justice in foreign lands?

Maggy 23-04-2013 16:26
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22248633

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News Corp has reached a $139m (£91m) settlement with shareholders over complaints filed against the company's board of directors.
The 2011 suit related to the company's UK phone-hacking scandal and the purchase of a UK TV production firm.
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Trustees of Amalgamated Bank of New York and the Central Laborers Pension Fund, which are both News Corp shareholders, first filed a lawsuit in March 2011.
It was directed against News Corp's directors for overpaying when the company bought Shine Group, a UK TV production company, from News Corp's chairman and chief executive Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth.
They claimed that the takeover deal was "unfairly" priced and that the News Corp board of directors failed to challenge Mr Murdoch about the terms of the transaction.
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The pair then expanded their lawsuit in July 2011, to accuse the board of providing "no effective review or oversight" and permitting a "culture run amok" at the News of the World, which News Corp owned. The extent of phone hacking at the tabloid, then owned by News Corp, led to its closure in 2011.
So some shareholders do have teeth.

Sirius 04-07-2013 07:05
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Just shows that Murdoch thinks they have done nothing wrong in hacking into the phones of the public and the families of dead children and soldiers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23175564

Rupert Murdoch secret tapes: News Corp defends head

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News Corp has defended chief Rupert Murdoch after a secret recording was released of him criticising the police inquiry into alleged phone hacking.
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He also offered his backing to the journalists, even if they were found guilty.
No other company has done as much to identify what went wrong, compensate the victims and ensure the same mistakes do not happen again”

"I will do everything in my power to give you total support, even if you're convicted and get six months or whatever," he said.
What a *******, he really should have his ability to be connected with media revoked in this country

denphone 04-07-2013 07:12
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Yes l quite agree as a leopard never changes his spots and this nefarious and insidious person will certainly never change his.

Maggy 04-07-2013 09:51
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This was reported in Private Eye a month ago..why it's taken this long to get mainstream beats me.:erm:

Chris 04-07-2013 12:11
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Actually I think it's a fair acknowledgement from the boss of the company that whatever his staff did wrong, they did so in the midst of a culture where everyone was at it. Only a few of them are ever going to be brought to justice and therefore it's fair enough for the boss to promise that he's not going to hang anyone out to dry over it.

Sirius 04-07-2013 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35591895)
Actually I think it's a fair acknowledgement from the boss of the company that whatever his staff did wrong, they did so in the midst of a culture where everyone was at it. Only a few of them are ever going to be brought to justice and therefore it's fair enough for the boss to promise that he's not going to hang anyone out to dry over it.
But those found guilty should be hung out to dry. If they are not then he is as guilty as them as he must agree with what they have done.

Chris 04-07-2013 13:52
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They can be hung out to dry by the courts, that's their job. But I can understand why their boss would wish to stand by them in any case.

Sirius 04-07-2013 16:27
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35591922)
They can be hung out to dry by the courts, that's their job. But I can understand why their boss would wish to stand by them in any case.
If he does then he is as guilty as them because in my eyes he feels that what they did is allowed. If that is the case then we cannot trust that he or his employees are not still breaking the law. So news international and there group of companies cannot be trusted if there boss believes its ok to hack phones.

Chris 04-07-2013 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35591941)
. So news international and there group of companies cannot be trusted .
Did we not already know that before any of this kicked off?

Sirius 04-07-2013 17:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35591947)
Did we not already know that before any of this kicked off?
Yep we did :)

Maggy 18-07-2013 21:50
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23368569

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Rupert Murdoch has rowed back from claims that the police inquiry into alleged corrupt payments by journalists to officials is "totally incompetent".
But in letters to two MPs, the News Corp chief said that the police response was "disproportionate".
Mr Murdoch said that while he did not "doubt the police's professionalism", the inquiry had taken too long.
He admitted to making "overly-emotional comments" in a secretly-recorded meeting broadcast on Channel 4 News.
Well at least this time he couldn't claim poor memory as an excuse.

Sirius 18-07-2013 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35596725)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23368569



Well at least this time he couldn't claim poor memory as an excuse.
The mans a complete waste of time and the sooner they remove his ability to own comics sorry i mean his newspapers and news channels the better.

Maggy 05-09-2013 08:49
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Just to put a smile on everyone's faces.;)

Rupert Murdoch the musical..

http://theater.nytimes.com/2013/09/0...temail0=y&_r=0

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The dramatists have taken note. Richard Bean, the author of “One Man, Two Guvnors,” is writing a play on the phone-hacking scandal for the National Theater in London at the invitation of its artistic director, Nicholas Hytner. Closer to home, the Melbourne Theater Company has just staged the premiere of “Rupert,” a cabaret-style dramatization of Mr. Murdoch’s life by one of Australia’s best-known playwrights, David Williamson.

Osem 19-02-2014 14:23
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Tony Blair gave advice to newspaper executive Rebekah Brooks on handling the phone-hacking scandal six days before her arrest, a court has heard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26259956

He seems to favour 'Hutton style' enquiries...

richard s 19-02-2014 15:26
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Good old TORY Blair, him and Mr Dave and his mates will want to distance themselves from their ex-News of the Screws friends and deny any knowledge.

Maggy 19-02-2014 15:49
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Well there were several people at the Levenson inquiry I didn't believe.One was Rupert Murdoch and another was Blair.I'm pretty sure they were meeting behind the scenes on a very regular basis..despite the denials.The email trail seems to suggest that..:rolleyes:

thenry 24-02-2014 13:42
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ing-trial.html

?

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CNN has confirmed it is pulling the plug on Piers Morgan, as falling ratings finally took their toll on a transatlantic talk show experiment that failed to connect with American primetime audiences.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...cnn?CMP=twt_gu
Quote:
Jeremy Clarkson ‏@JeremyClarkson
I understand that Nigerian TV is looking for a new chat show host. Anyone got any suggestions?
8:46 AM - 24 Feb 2014
https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/s...71235780055040
:LOL:

MalteseFalcon 24-02-2014 13:47
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I saw that on the bus and had a good chuckle over it. Got some strange looks. Now, how much can we raise to stop America sending him back to UK?

Damien 24-02-2014 14:12
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Why should we have to put up with him? America can't just send him back because they don't like him.

RizzyKing 24-02-2014 14:23
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Had to laugh at his explanation that it was because he was a Brit discussing american cultural issues totally missing the fact he's a smug patronising git with a face you'd never tire of slapping.

Maggy 24-02-2014 15:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35675163)
Thank you for the link.I just couldn't find it.;)

thenry 24-02-2014 15:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35675203)
Thank you for the link.I just couldn't find it.;)
Did you ever consider asking for help? I bet you've asked your students that in the past :)

thenry 01-03-2014 22:57
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Quote:
Jeremy Clarkson @JeremyClarkson
Piers Morgan has written about me many times over the years. Well tomorrow in The Sunday Times, I've written about him. He won't like it.
6:37 PM - 1 Mar 2014
https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/s...31851503730689

denphone 02-03-2014 07:13
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Why can't two supposed grown men grow up.

Chris 02-03-2014 16:14
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Because they make a living out of not acting their age.

Maggy 28-06-2014 10:46
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ption-and-lies

If you have a spare hour..

Kursk 28-06-2014 11:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35677171)
Because they make a living out of not acting their age.
The gullibility of their 'followers' is more disturbing than the pretend argument between these two over-paid egotists.

It seems you can make a career from being a bitch these days. It's Piers Morgan's turn to bend over apparently :sleep:.

Maggy 28-06-2014 11:38
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This is a thread about the criminality of some who worked for News Corporation NOT Jeremy Clarkson's stupidity.

Qtx 28-06-2014 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35710385)
The gullibility of their 'followers' is more disturbing than the pretend argument between these two over-paid egotists.

It seems you can make a career from being a bitch these days. It's Piers Morgan's turn to bend over apparently :sleep:.
Piers Morgan is hated by most celebrities, not just Clarkson, due to his involvement in printing stories about them while he was editor of the News of the World. Phone hacking (I don't why they call it hacking, it's nothing of the sort) was likely going on while he was editor too, as the weakness in the mobile voicemail system was known about in many circles at the time he was editor. Must admit I have kept away from most news articles about it so not sure if he has got in any trouble over it.

Piers Morgan is disliked by a lot of people, just that only a couple have had the pleasure of actually smashing him in the face, Clarkson being one of them. It's not fake and not for anyone else's benefit. Watch mock the week or Have I got news for you and you will see they all totally dislike Piers too. Seems most Americans dislike him too after he run a show there too. I suspect he is a complete twit and that is the reason for the hate, rather than his involvement with NotW

MalteseFalcon 28-06-2014 17:21
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In his diaries, I think he made some sort of admission about using sources in police for news and maybe phone hacking. He certainly touched on the fact that whilst being investigated for insider trading in shares that his mobile voicemail service had possibly been hacked into as other newspapers knew before him about interviews with the relevant authority.

Maggy 11-12-2015 14:31
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35070715

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There is to be no further action taken against journalists over phone hacking, the Crown Prosecution Service has said.
It said there was "insufficient evidence" to bring corporate liability charges against News Group or charges against 10 individuals at Mirror Group.
Well is anyone surprised? I know I'm not..but then I've been reading Private Eye for the past three years.

heero_yuy 11-12-2015 17:26
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Given that the CPS have proved incapable of getting convictions over the perceived offences, though the machinations of those involved may leave a bad taste in the mouth, most haven't broken laws according to the courts.

IMHO a very badly managed witch hunt spurred on by pressure groups keen to keep the spotlight off their murky lives.

Damien 11-12-2015 18:16
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The whole thing lost focus when they went after the payments to officials.

Maggy 17-12-2015 16:30
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...ukhpmg00000001

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The Sun has used the "hated" Human Rights Act, which it wants to see abolished, to win a legal case against the police for intercepting the phone records of its journalists.

The Metropolitan Police breached the journalists' human rights when it seized the data to identify the source of information about Plebgate, the Investigatory Powers Tribunal ruled on Thursday.

It agreed with the tabloid that this was a breach of protection of freedom of expression, guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which is enforceable before UK courts thanks to the Human Rights Act (HRA).

The paper announced it was going to the tribunal in October 2014, telling HuffPost UK it would rely on the HRA, just after it splashed on its demand that the "hated" law be axed.
Supreme irony..

heero_yuy 26-02-2016 14:21
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THE bungled £20million criminal probe into Sun journalists finally collapsed with a whimper today as the last strand of the investigation ended with yet another humiliating failure for Scotland Yard.

Operation Elveden - which saw 29 journalists charged and then cleared of wrongdoing over payment for stories - is being wound-up in disgrace after almost five costly years.

It comes after out-of-touch Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, who is under pressure to quit over a string of botched inquiries, told MPs he found it "odd" that juries had repeatedly refused to convict journalists at trial.

Free speech campaigner Mick Hume said: "Operation Elveden was the biggest witch-hunt against journalists in a supposedly free society in modern times.
Linky

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"In order to arrest those 34 journalists under Elveden, the Met and state prosecutors effectively tried to make up a new law of 'conspiracy to commit misconduct in a public office', specifically framed to fit up reporters and editors for doing their jobs.
No law broken so no conviction. What's so hard to understand Mr Plod?

denphone 01-03-2018 13:13
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Well what else did we expect.....

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...reach-of-trust

OLD BOY 01-03-2018 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35939073)
Well, I think the press have got the message by now, and I don't think it is worth chucking sackfuls of money at this inquiry any longer.

The government knows the issues, and what is required now is sensible legislative changes to avoid similar problems in the future.

Maggy 01-03-2018 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939075)
Well, I think the press have got the message by now, and I don't think it is worth chucking sackfuls of money at this inquiry any longer.

The government knows the issues, and what is required now is sensible legislative changes to avoid similar problems in the future.
Never going to happen...

denphone 01-03-2018 16:28
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Indeed diddly squat will happen that is for sure..

OLD BOY 01-03-2018 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35939097)
Never going to happen...
Well, if we're all agreed on that, subject closed! :D

Maggy 02-03-2018 09:11
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The culture secretary, Matt Hancock, confirmed on Thursday that the government would drop plans for the second phase of the Leveson inquiry into press standards launched in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal.
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Labour immediately attacked the decision as a breach of trust, and the inquiry chair, Lord Leveson, published a letter to Hancock and the home secretary, Amber Rudd,in which he accused the government of breaking promises made to phone-hacking victims.

“I have no doubt that there is still a legitimate expectation on behalf of the public and, in particular, the alleged victims of phone hacking and other unlawful conduct, that there will be a full public examination of the circumstances that allowed that behaviour to develop,” he wrote. “That is what they were promised.”
They kicked it right out of the park never mind the long grass.

Mr K 02-03-2018 09:17
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Utterly toothless, just like the Iraq enquiry . Just a fob off to the public at the time when the issue is 'hot'. Until the next scandal happens.....

heero_yuy 02-03-2018 09:52
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Leveson partII and forcing membership of Impress upon pain of the media having to pay all the costs of a court case, win or lose, would have so hampered investigative journalism so as to make it impossible to tell us about the misdemeaners or hypocracy of the rich and powerful like the current £1/2m scandal involving Max Mosely and Tom Watson.

A newtered press would do nobody any favours.

Be reminded that AFAIK NO successful convictions of journalists were secured in the wake of the hacking scandal and closure of News of the World. (Ref This post:)

Phone hacking, wire taps etc. are already covered by other legislation which could of course be tightened up.

The likes of Hacked off would love to be able to contunue their sordid little liaisons without the public being aware of it, whilst preaching morality.

Mr K 02-03-2018 10:02
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35939221)
Leveson partII and forcing membership of Impress upon pain of the media having to pay all the costs of a court case, win or lose, would have so hampered investigative journalism so as to make it impossible to tell us about the misdemeaners or hypocracy of the rich and powerful like the current £1/2m scandal involving Max Mosely and Tom Watson.

A newtered press would do nobody any favours.

Be reminded that AFAIK NO successful convictions of journalists were secured in the wake of the hacking scandal and closure of News of the World. (Ref This post:)

Phone hacking, wire taps etc. are already covered by other legislation which could of course be tightened up.

The likes of Hacked off would love to be able to contunue their sordid little liaisons without the public being aware of it, whilst preaching morality.
So you think the tabloids are our moral guardians ? :erm:

heero_yuy 02-03-2018 10:20
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Quote from Mr K:


So you think the tabloids are our moral guardians ? :erm:
No, I never said that.

But they do us a service in exposing those with the morals of an alley cat whilst exihibiting a veneer of probity. Chicanery and corruption in high places by those who would prefer you didn't know. PL footballers whoring round the town whilst little wifie looks after the children, unknowing.

Or maybe you just want to be ignorant?

denphone 02-03-2018 10:20
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So you think the tabloids are our moral guardians ? :erm:
We are in deep trouble if they have become our moral guardians.

Damien 02-03-2018 10:27
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I don't like the idea of a government imposed regulation of the press either. Even if it has the best of intentions you don't give those in power the means to oppress you if you can help it. A free press is a vital check on those who have power.

I would rather have laws of media plurality. It can be a problem if one person controls multiple outlets of news, i.e Murdoch, and uses that for their own political ends. That also means the close relationship between owners of the newspapers and governments is a problem too.

But remember these regulators wouldn't tackle the 'problem' online where people increasingly get their news. It's all very well going after The Sun and The Daily Mail but you gain nothing when people are instead gravating to hyper-partisan news sites like Swarkbox or BreitBart or circulating memes on social media from Another Angry Voice and the like.

Maggy 02-03-2018 13:48
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We are in deep trouble if they have become our moral guardians.
Too right..and they certainly are. Frankly what I'd like is something which insists on even handedness in journalism and reporting. All I want are the facts not supposition,gossip and innuendo..I can provide all those on my own.

Damien 02-03-2018 14:27
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Too right..and they certainly are. Frankly what I'd like is something which insists on even handedness in journalism and reporting. All I want are the facts not supposition,gossip and innuendo..I can provide all those on my own.
Who judges what is even handed though?

Maggy 03-03-2018 08:45
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Who judges what is even handed though?
A press organisation that isn't owned completely by one side only? A council that's got all interested parties involved not just press barons?Where all factions of political hue are represented?

Doesn't seem that hard to me.

OLD BOY 03-03-2018 11:36
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A press organisation that isn't owned completely by one side only? A council that's got all interested parties involved not just press barons?Where all factions of political hue are represented?

Doesn't seem that hard to me.
I've toyed with that idea too, Maggy, but I think this is just adding another layer of bureaucracy, which will either go one way (ineffective and toothless) or the other (oppressive and overbearing). Just think of the potential for complaints with thousands of reports and articles every day. If you want to shackle the press and keep them tied up in knots to justify keeping perpetually aggrieved snowflakes from being offended, then that's the way to do it.

We already have laws of defamation, and hacking into voicemails, etc is unlawful. All I really want to see above that is a high standard of reporting. That is, report the facts, and where opinion comes into it, make it clear that is the opinion. Views expressed that are subjective rather than factual should be set out in articles, not in the news section. Those complying would have the right to be called a newspaper.

I don't care what you'd call those that did not reach that standard. Rag seems appropriate.

pip08456 03-03-2018 12:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939352)
I've toyed with that idea too, Maggy, but I think this is just adding another layer of bureaucracy, which will either go one way (ineffective and toothless) or the other (oppressive and overbearing). Just think of the potential for complaints with thousands of reports and articles every day. If you want to shackle the press and keep them tied up in knots to justify keeping perpetually aggrieved snowflakes from being offended, then that's the way to do it.

We already have laws of defamation, and hacking into voicemails, etc is unlawful. All I really want to see above that is a high standard of reporting. That is, report the facts, and where opinion comes into it, make it clear that is the opinion. Views expressed that are subjective rather than factual should be set out in articles, not in the news section. Those complying would have the right to be called a newspaper.

I don't care what you'd call those that did not reach that standard. Rag seems appropriate.
How about a Loopaper?

Maggy 03-03-2018 17:41
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939352)
I've toyed with that idea too, Maggy, but I think this is just adding another layer of bureaucracy, which will either go one way (ineffective and toothless) or the other (oppressive and overbearing). Just think of the potential for complaints with thousands of reports and articles every day. If you want to shackle the press and keep them tied up in knots to justify keeping perpetually aggrieved snowflakes from being offended, then that's the way to do it.

We already have laws of defamation, and hacking into voicemails, etc is unlawful. All I really want to see above that is a high standard of reporting. That is, report the facts, and where opinion comes into it, make it clear that is the opinion. Views expressed that are subjective rather than factual should be set out in articles, not in the news section. Those complying would have the right to be called a newspaper.

I don't care what you'd call those that did not reach that standard. Rag seems appropriate.
I'm not worried about snowflakes or celebs..I'm worried about those who have no access to legal resources who get picked on and libelled and can't fight back. I'm even more concerned about how tight the police and politicians are with the media..and that was what Leveson part 2 was to address. Frankly I am not surprised it's been abandoned by our politicians. Too much self interest and fear of the power of the current press.

denphone 03-03-2018 17:48
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I'm not worried about snowflakes or celebs..I'm worried about those who have no access to legal resources who get picked on and libelled and can't fight back. I'm even more concerned about how tight the police and politicians are with the media..and that was what Leveson part 2 was to address. Frankly I am not surprised it's been abandoned by our politicians. Too much self interest and fear of the power of the current press.

Spot on.:tu:

OLD BOY 03-03-2018 19:25
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35939387)
I'm not worried about snowflakes or celebs..I'm worried about those who have no access to legal resources who get picked on and libelled and can't fight back. I'm even more concerned about how tight the police and politicians are with the media..and that was what Leveson part 2 was to address. Frankly I am not surprised it's been abandoned by our politicians. Too much self interest and fear of the power of the current press.
Maybe so, but yet another inquiry was never going to solve this.

What you need is political will, without which any number of inquiries will not resolve this. In most cases, the setting up of an inquiry is just an excuse to kick the can down the road.

Let’s not waste any more of OUR money.

Maggy 04-03-2018 08:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939408)
Maybe so, but yet another inquiry was never going to solve this.

What you need is political will, without which any number of inquiries will not resolve this. In most cases, the setting up of an inquiry is just an excuse to kick the can down the road.

Let’s not waste any more of OUR money.
It wasn't another inquiry..it was a continuation..and it's MY money as well and I want corruption weeded out between politicians,police and the press because it would lead to better government,press and police ethics.

OLD BOY 04-03-2018 16:46
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It wasn't another inquiry..it was a continuation..and it's MY money as well and I want corruption weeded out between politicians,police and the press because it would lead to better government,press and police ethics.
And a continuation of this inquiry will achieve what exactly? Diddly squat, I reckon, millions of pounds later.

denphone 04-03-2018 16:57
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And a continuation of this inquiry will achieve what exactly? Diddly squat, I reckon, millions of pounds later.
So you are happy then with continuing corruption between politicians ,the police and the press?.

OLD BOY 04-03-2018 18:29
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35939528)
So you are happy then with continuing corruption between politicians ,the police and the press?.
That is not the question, Den, and it is not my point.

The question is, would millions of pounds of public money, OUR money, spent on continuing this inquiry actually achieve anything?

If you are looking at ways of spending shedloads of money, wouldn't it be better to stop the waste and start spending money on the poor people of this country?

Maggy 04-03-2018 18:33
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939538)
That is not the question, Den, and it is not my point.

The question is, would millions of pounds of public money, OUR money, spent on continuing this inquiry actually achieve anything?

If you are looking at ways of spending shedloads of money, wouldn't it be better to stop the waste and start spending money on the poor people of this country?
So no accountability for corruption because it would cost too much for the inquiry? Seriously? Just let them slink into the woodwork and we forget all about it..Just in case the money would be spent in on the poor instead. Dream on.

denphone 04-03-2018 18:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939538)
That is not the question, Den, and it is not my point.

The question is, would millions of pounds of public money, OUR money, spent on continuing this inquiry actually achieve anything?

If you are looking at ways of spending shedloads of money, wouldn't it be better to stop the waste and start spending money on the poor people of this country?
That is the question OB and typical of a politician you don't answer the question but obfuscate your way around it.

OLD BOY 05-03-2018 07:51
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So no accountability for corruption because it would cost too much for the inquiry? Seriously? Just let them slink into the woodwork and we forget all about it..Just in case the money would be spent in on the poor instead. Dream on.
I didn't say that. I said the outcome of continuing this inquiry would lead to diddly squat. Our money could be much better spent.

If there is a case to be heard, let's take it through the criminal courts. We already have corruption laws, don't we? If they need to be tightened, then let's tighten them, but let's stop this pretence that another 7 years of this costly inquiry is going fo achieve anything. It won't.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35939542)
That is the question OB and typical of a politician you don't answer the question but obfuscate your way around it.
Sorry, Den, but it is you who has got the wrong end of the stick here!
Of course we should prosecute the corrupt. So if we think they are corrupt, prosecute them!
Let's stop pussy footing around.

Maggy 05-03-2018 08:41
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939581)
I didn't say that. I said the outcome of continuing this inquiry would lead to diddly squat. Our money could be much better spent.

If there is a case to be heard, let's take it through the criminal courts. We already have corruption laws, don't we? If they need to be tightened, then let's tighten them, but let's stop this pretence that another 7 years of this costly inquiry is going fo achieve anything. It won't.

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Sorry, Den, but it is you who has got the wrong end of the stick here!
Of course we should prosecute the corrupt. So if we think they are corrupt, prosecute them!
Let's stop pussy footing around.
I don't recall part 1 taking 7 years..


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