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Its xmas now yeah....:cleader:

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Many thanks for a great year on this great thread and may i wish you all a very happy Christmas and a great new year.

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merry crimbo every1 got a dab radio money a watch and A team dvd blue ray

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Merry Christmas everyone :)

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Merry Christmas

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Merry Christmas to everyone. I have a good feeling for 2011 on VM. :)

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Merry Christmas to one and to all and I hope that all have a very happy New Year. Looking forward to what VM have got in store for us 2011.

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Heres hoping they have plenty TiVos in store:)

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Hi Everyone's.
Merry Xmas once again. Anyway at today's roast dinner with friends met this guy who's one of the manager at customers support and works with software. He told me that he's getting TiVO installed in his house next week and that someone in his team has been working on TiVO and that at the moment is not that good. Software is far from being ready. Just 2 tuners and not news on to have the 3rd one. Lots of imperfection yet and too deer.
He said he'll go out to customers at the end of January and not to get it just yet but wait maybe till next summer when will be the Thing!
He also promised me he'll let me know if there are new improvements.
Anyway he told me is a very good product...when ready. :cool:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/12/5.png

New channel and rebrand logos. Very snazzy.

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Very nice :)

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Keep an eye on the following link to see where BSkyB put TNA http://www.tnauk.tk/

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/12/5.png

Adverts airing this morning saying Sky Atlantic HD is free and exclusive to Sky customers - so yet again Virgin viewers in the second division with HD!

That over hyped Virgin home to HD, and a promise of sky basics in hd coming to Virgin as believable as Santa!!

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What do you mean by 'overhyped'?

The only 'overhyping' going on is those who guess at what options Virgin have in regards to getting the Sky HD channels, and then get disappointed when their guess isn't correct.

I would love to see all the Sky HD channels on Virgin as much as anyone else, but when and how that happens is down to Sky

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They are going to advertise it to their own customers first so as it has not launched yet we will need to wait and see what happens nearer to the launch date:erm:

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Seriously, why would anyone expect a brand new high profile Sky channel to be available to us in HD, when there's already Sky Arts, Sky News, Sky Sports News, Sky Sports 3 and 4, Sky Box Office still to come?

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OFF TOPIC - I have just noticed that i have had 500 posts ( the last post was the 500th ) did not think i typed that much:erm::erm::erm:

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You must admit it you are a CF geek :D;):p:

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Not as much as some on here ;):D:D:D

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BSkyB to close Challenge Jackpot early.

My old Sky EPG is saying that Challenge Jackpot will close at midnight on Friday and not 6am on Satuarday as listed on Virgin Media's EPG.

The last LIVE show will end at 4am on Thursday night.

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I sorry if iam way behind.....but since when have we had itv3+1 and itv4+1 ive just switch over to catch the last bit of mission to mars and it took me a few mins to notice we had it but since when.????:confused::):dunce:

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I can remember them been there since i joined FEB 09:D

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See i told you i was behind give me a couple of years and i might discover HD...lol :banghead::LOL:

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:d:d:d:d

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I really hope Virgin will fix up the EPG next month when all these channels close/rebrand/open. BBC HD at 187 is just plain stupid.

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Before this thread closes in Jan, what new channels would you expect to see on VM in 2011?

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Hopefully more hd i want history hd and poss nat geo wild hd.

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There is plenty of channels we still have not got also what about the red button and Sky hd channels when are we going to get Tivo.

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ESPNA HD , Sky Atlantic HD , Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD , Universal HD and ITV HD channels.

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No offence mate but every new box is buggy just look at the SkyHD box when that was launched.

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We got them when Men & Motors was axe on March 25th 2010.

Here is the story on the launch
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...on-virgin.html

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Here is the latest I have:

ESPNA HD - Talks are ''ongoing'' but someone last week did say on DS that it set to launch in January.

Sky Atlantic HD - Sky Atlantic HD will be ''Sky only'' but Virgin are hoping to have Sky Atlantic (SD) from launch but talks are again ''ongoing''.

Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD - No way in hell unless Ofcom tell them to.

Universal HD - No news in months.

ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD - Talks are ''ongoing''.

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Just to let everyone know this thread will close sometime on Sunday.

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Is there much HD content on ITV HD 3 & 4, surely they are not simulcast channels?

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They said on Channel One the other evening that they are closing at the end of Jan and they would could visit a website to see where shows were moving to. Sky Atlantic will begin in Feb... could it be technically a name change and the removal from Freeview?

Or has it been made clear that it is Sky only?

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sky are deliberate closing it so it wont be a name change, if it a was re brand virgin would get it, by closing channel one then launching sky Atlantic virign have to negotiation to get he channel so sky are making sure it most likely sky only

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That is what I am asking... has it been made clear that it is more that a rebrand (in more that just marketing terms)?

Sky press release makes no mention of it being exclusive
http://corporate.sky.com/media/press...y_atlantic.htm

Neither does the Sky Atlantic website
http://tv.sky.com/skyatlantic

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With the next TNA on Saturday ... is there any news yet on where it is going?

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As far as I know talks are still ''Ongoing'' with BSkyB for Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media but Digital Spy say on October 25th:

Story in full: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-channels.html

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Still no news.

But I have seen rumours about TNA moving to:

Sky3, Sky Sports, Living, Challenge, Premier Sports and even Sky Atlantic.

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Wouldn't put it past sky to stick tna on premier sports does this channel need an ad sub?,cant see them putting it on sky 3 or challenge as that would allow freeviewers access i would imagine living a long shot,sky sports a def no no vince prob has in his contract with sky no other wrestling company on the same channel sky atlantic a possibility.

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It cant go to Premier Sports unless BSkyB give up the rights to TNA as Premier Sports is not owned by BSkyB in anyway.

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Never thought of that.

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i just told you no it aint a rebrand the chanenl is closing then sky launches new chnnel

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And thou should not question the leader... :rolleyes:

The moon is made of cheese... I don't need to back it up with a source or evidence for my statement, I told you this is the case and so it must be true.

Not that I don't trust you but there have been many claims on here that the ITV HD channels were coming before Christmas, ESPN America HD deal is signed, Universal HD was coming before Christmas. Sky News HD, Sky Arts.... :o: sorry, nodded off there trying to remember all the statements posted as fact that fail to materialise.

Media Boy posted a link to a source that said it was going to be exclusive and that has far more weight (even if it is only DigitalSpy!) than an anonymous internet users.

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i saw advert on sky movie channel stating sky atlantic was lauching exclusivly to sky cutomers

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Yup another dig from Sky..

Sky: "We'll take Bravo off you..."
Virgin: "ok..."
Sky: "But your not having our new channel, and we will put all the good stuff on it...ha ha in your face viirgin media"

:rolleyes: Seriously Sky are acting childish.

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Was this the advert that everyone is seeing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1E9BLeXIRE

BSkyB are NOT using the word ''exclusive'' on that advert.

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Its says sky Atlantic the home of HBO..

Which if i remember rightly virgin lost the right for weather on VOD or not so i cant seeing virgin ever getting it.

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So, VM does not receive any of these?
Shall remain on Sky for the foreseeable future (just have 50 MegBB).

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:bump::bump::bump::bump::LOL::LOL:

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so teh fact sky have mnade it clear channel one is closing not rebranding not good enough your hopign for sky altantic ot be a rebrand this is sky your hopes ill be dased unless oyura sky cusotmer

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Virgin closed FTN and launched Virgin 1, they didn't rebrand
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...announced.html

BBC closed BBC Choice and launched BBC 3
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...-next-month.do

BBC closed BBC Knowledge and launched BBC Four.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...urlaunch.shtml

UKTV launched Dave, they didn't rebrand UKTVG2
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/sep/20/television

The Zone channels closed and CBS launched, they didn't rebrand
http://www.simplifydigital.co.uk/new...hannels-in-uk/

Marketing is a wonderful tool.

It's not about having my hopes dashed, it's about not making assumptions about things and presenting them as fact, especially when you have no evidence for it.

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Yup, and the advert I just saw on Sky One HD (on Virgin) said it was 'Free and exclusive for all Sky TV customers'...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/12/9.jpg

Dean

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That advert has also just been on Sky Sports 2 during the ad break in the Darts it looks like been on Sky only by that advert.

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That only means the HD version will be Sky Exclusive... not the SD version.

The likely hood VM would get the HD version off bat was always zero.

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It as far as I am aware just the HD one is exclusive, VM are going for the SD version.

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Sky should be made to split in two 1. Platform and 2. Content provider to stop this crazy situation every time they launch a new channel. Wait until NEws Corp own 100% of Sky with all there advertising might.

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suit yourself if you knew sky you know there no way they want virgining getting it and if they iut will be sd only

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At the moment HD is still seen as a premium product (I don't agree) with VM even charging a HD activation fee! Remember Andrew this is the first year of free to view HD to the masses namely Freeview?

In years to come OFCOM will have to look at the question of HD SKY channels being held back from their competitors?

In relation to 3D TV that is one innovation I can live without, if the motion blur I get at the cinema is replicated on sporting events then I will pass :td:

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Agreed, I have never sat in Sky strategy meeting, I don't even know where Sky HQ is but what do you know about Sky that I don't...

- They are a business that wants to maximise profits
- They are the largest pay TV provider in the UK
- They have been the focus of a number if investigations over recent years
- Sky were generally considered to have 'lost' the Sky/MV dispute and ended up putting their channels back onto VM at a lower price that was asked for at the start of the dispute
- Currently all SD channels (apart from Sky3+1, Sky Travel and Sky Vegas) are available on the VM platform (may be wrong on that one)

Again, it's not about suiting myself or having my hopes dashed - I personally have no preference for this, if there is a TV show I like I download it - makes no difference to me if VM get it or not. My issue was the assumption that it won't be on VM when you are not able to back it up with evidence.

Sky themselves are not stating it as an exclusive channel, in fact the only place that is saying it is an exclusive channel is Digital Spy and their quality of journalism leaves a lot to be desired. (Click Me)

Anyways, it's getting late, I have to sort the kitchen out, fill the dishwasher and put a new duvet cover on the bed so I bid you a good evening.

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But they don't have a platform to hive off. They rent space on someone else's satellites (SES). All Sky own is the encryption technology and of course the all important programming rights.

If VM sold off vmtv without putting in proper safeguards into the contract about gaining access to future channels, then it shows just how stupid (as usual) cableco bosses really are.

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They're based in a business park in Isleworth, West London.

Here you go:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...135.86,,0,0.73

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http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3923/atlantich.jpg

In regards to the above advertising campaign running by SKY, I don't believe we at Virgin will be seeing this channel in either SD or HD anytime soon.

When SKY advertise they never mention the SD version of a channel, only the HD version, even though the programmes they are showing will appear on both the SD and HD version of the channel.

See the below examples.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1117/artsc.jpg

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8760/newsbn.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4489/moviesc.jpg

In the SKY Atlantic advert, when SKY mention the channel is free and exclusive to all SKY TV customers I firmly believe they mean both HD and SD just like in all of their other adverts.

Until Virgin confirm there has been a deal done, I'm not convinced. I'm sure Virgin want the channel, but do SKY want to give it?

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Horizon I suppose you don't think Sky are getting to big and abusing there position. How do u know Virgin didn't put these safeguards in , don't forget Sky try every dirty trick going , god forbid Virgin and Sky being on a level playing field. It's about time OFCOM grew some balls and made Sky sell all there channels at an agreed wholesale cost , as it stands now competition in the pay TV market is a joke.

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:birthday: on Thursday.

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Everyone who has not seen this thread before will think the world is going to end over Virgin not having one channel on Virgin.

But as far as I know Virgin hope to have Sky Atlantic from launch but ''talks are still ongoing''.

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I would guess Atlantic will make an appearance at some point but I don't see it launching (even in SD) on VM in February. If the HBO content was removed from TV Choice I cannot see us getting access to it through a linear channel, I personally can't see Sky doing that but it's just a guess on my part.

And as someone said earlier regarding the Atlantic 'exclusive to Sky customers' ads, they never refer to SD channels anymore so I take that as read, much like when ITV said their 2/3 and 4 HD channels would be exclusive to Sky customers which of course they still are.

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To be perfectly honest as an individual I'm not bothered about Sky Atlantic don't much care for HBO although I would like to see it for the many customers on here who would love to watch it.

Virgin had a great 2010 however I do feel TIVO alone won't win them customers they need to ramp up there HD offering. Virgin don't yet have a kids channel in HD , documentary is lagging with only Discovery and NAt Geo HD , Virgin should concentrate on the non Sky owned HD channels , also they need to change there OD titles more.

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From a customer point of view, I agree. I would like access to all channels at the best possible price.

From a business point of view, I disagree. Sky got so big and dominant because they are good at what they do, while all the cablecos were fighting amongst themselves about who was going to buy who. VM could easily have bid higher for premiership rights as can any other company, ie BT. Same goes with film rights and tv rights. What stopped VM making an exclusive deal with HBO? Nothing. Sky did it and not for the first time either.

If Tesco signed an exclusive contract to sell the next ipad, would that mean that all the other retailers have a "right" in law to claim unfair practises against Apple, because they can't sell the ipad too?

If vm put safeguards in, why are we back to this position again of not getting access to Sky Atlantic HD? Because they didn't, that's why.

From a customer point of view, its a pain in the neck. From a business point of view, Sky are not there to make things easier for a competitor.

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Exactly. There is nothing stopping vm doing those things, they choose not too. Should Sky be punished for that too?

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Sky were very quick to piggy back on BT's network with there broadband and unless I'm mistaken this was available to them due to regulation. Sky have there kit installed in BT exchanges. Sky are to big and will be potentially bigger if News Corp take 100% control. Many big firms have been regulated don't forget Microsoft now have to offer you the option of web browser you wish to install , it's called abusing your Market position.

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Pretty much agree with all you say, Tivo isn't going to magically invent content and will always (in my opinion) be a niche product until it becomes the de facto VM platform. Let's be clear, less than 3 million homes in the US have Tivo although I accept the VM solution seems to be more complete in the sense it provides access to all current VM services unlike with Cableco's in the US where their existing on demand offerings cannot be viewed with Tivo.

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Challenge to be move to the M Package in 2011?

When Challenge launches on Freeview I think Challenge will also move into the M Pack on Virgin Media.

(No insiders has confrim this will happen).

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Be careful what you wish for in the new year, remember Virgin Media are a monopoly as well, they don't let anybody else use their network infrastructure!!

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From a customers point of view it wouldn't bother me if VM were made to open there network all I ask for is the chance to watch all channels on all platforms instead of this scenario now. Just wait until News Corp own all of Sky it's no secret Murdoch would like the BBC gone and possibly free view with everybody having to pay for news and TV.

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Virginmedia is privately owned and construction was paid for by the owners unlike BT so it is quite unlikely that they will open their network to rivals.

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A little off topic however can anyone confirm if ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD are only available in England and Wales via SKY?

Just wondering if Virgin, when negotiating for the channels, will try and get Scotland and Ireland included in the deal.... unless ITV are just being mean:D

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No ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD are broadcasting on Sky in Scotland.

Also ITV1 +1, UTV +1 and STV +1 launches on Virgin Media on January 11th.

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Itv 2,3,4 HD are currently only available on Sky.

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Thanks Media Boy, that's what I thought however on the SKY website at the bottom they state ITV1 HD, ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD, ITV4 HD are only available in England and Wales.

http://www.sky.com/shop/high-definit...e/hd-channels/

I was just wondering if Virgin were going to be landed with the same deal when negotiating with ITV for the channels however if SKY do carry them in Scotland and Ireland, then there shouldn't be any problems for Virgin trying to land them.

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I'm guessing that STV and UTV aren't too happy about ITV launching HD channels outside their official franchise area, so that's why they are restricted to England and Wales only

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itv 2,3,4 hd are available to scot;and and ireland its only itv 1 hd thbat aint hence stv and utv hd

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Guardian seem bitterly opposed to News Corp takeover of Sky http://gu.com/p/2m47y/tf interesting read.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Do you see that as a valid point ?

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The bit that makes me laugh, the Daily Telegraph have completly dug themselves a huge hole in this affair, namely bugging Vince Cable in a constituency surgery session!

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Here here and from a paper that so called opposed to it.

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Currently in talks perchance? :rolleyes: Christ they must have some amount of staff, they seem to be in "talks" for month after month with no end product. As ever the poor relation tv wise

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Must admit they do need to try harder when negotiating LOL :-)

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NTL allowed AOL access to their cable network a while back.

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True - I used to have this. However, unless I am wrong, did NTL place speed restrictions on them ? - I could only get a max of 1mb broadband with AOL - but at the time, I think 5mb was the max NTL customers could have

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I don't recall that but you may well be right. It does demonstrate that parts of the cable network hasn't always been a closed shop though.

BT has been privatised for around 25 years so I think there should come a time when they are treated like any other private company, maybe now is a bit soon though.

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VDSL will be exclusive to BT. Sky will only have the old copper wire network. Ok for now, but will not be fit for 2012.

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It didn't work very well for NTL at the time and I'm sure it's still the same. VM would make very little money out of wholesale deals. They have their pricing very low as it is.

They would still be responsible for the network, but without any real profit. It wouldn't be good for competition as it would lead to the downfall of the cable network. IMO.

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I think that might just slightly be over egging it myself!

In time I would welcome VM to be forced to allow competitors access to their network, maybe once they have finally haulled themselves out of debt.

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Might be a very long time :)

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No might about it, it will be donkeys years yet but I wouldn't impose any restrictions on them until that point even though the debt is their own previous management's fault.

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Media Boy ask for your views.

Let me know what you think about Sky Atlantic launching on Virgin Media in 2011 on the ''Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media'' thread.

GO TO: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35144413

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The debt isn't anyones "fault". It's a purely business decision.
Debt isn't bad, in fact I'd argue it's vital to the well running of any company. You can often gain a far greater return on cash at hand than you're having to pay in debt interest, so why would you pay down debt if doing so will make you less money? (Not to mention that having debt allows you to avoid all sorts of taxes).

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No debt can be seen as a good thing, the money you pay on interest could be better spent elsewhere!

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But if you didn't have the cash to invest in the infrastructure (which enables you to get more customers, which in turn increases your cash-flow), the only way is debt.

It's how nearly everyone buys a house - they don't wait until they have saved all the money up.

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True but I am talking about the kind of debt that you only pay the interest off that seems the case in VM (NTL) situation!

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Off topic now? :)

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The thread is closing anyway, so we can have a little fun. Its not as if we know of any new channels definitely coming anyway, apart from 1tv+1.And bad ones at that, made over a 20 year timescale not helped but the shambles of a mess that the then government made of the cableco structures to begin with.

I spent a career working for people who used to say debt is "good". My response to that, utter rubbish. These same people will all be out of jobs next year when the Lehman Brothers tidal wave hits them.

When accountants say debt is good, I say is that how you run your household then, in debt?...It staggers growth and hinders investment opportunities as evidenced by the mess that has been the cable industry for the last 20 years and causes unnecessary pressures and distractions on managers. Not to mention the creditors can pull the plug at any time... Debt is not good and its only useless Americanised business practices that have infected the City over the last 30 years that say this.

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Recent developments have not been suprising to me at all,When it emerged that sky were buying vm`s channels i felt it would come back to haunt them.Vm were looking desperate to sell and sky knew it and vm are now and for the forseable future going to see the backlash of there actions,tivo looks very promising (tad overpriced) but its all well and good having a new platform but you have got to have the channels for people to watch.The main thing they should be concentrating on is HD Channels,They are still massively short of sky and they must now relise that delaying getting the channels cost them and now tv revenue on last quarter went up probably due to the flood of hd channels.Surely to justify the crazy price for tivo more hd channels are needed,To expect tivo to keep customers and attract new will be there downfall.More HD channels are needed,And one last thing If murdoch gets total control of sky it will only get worse.Vm need to keep there eye on the ball otherwise sky will be taking it back again