Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Early hours usually, although I have known it to be 6am/7am.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

No, I am on the Oldham headend, but they have done various headends in Manchester this week so hopefully they will finish Manchester off next week and we will get our NGTV in time for the HD channels (they better do or else...:D) :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I'm sure Oldham is fed by Baguley though....



EDIT: just checked and it isn't.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Any ideas on harlow, essex, I think we are fed from the cambridge headend.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I SWEAR I WILL BE SO ANGRY WITH VIRGIN MEDIA IF Oldham DOES NOT GET NGTV BEFORE APRIL - stupid virgin media...:mad::shocked::sleep::o:

I knew there would be a catch. :mad:

And they expect to rival sky... personaly I hate $ky but AH AH AHHHH NO CHANCE :(

EDIT: So basicly the HD channels wont OFFICIALLY launch April 1st like they said...ITS A STUPID ROLLOUT :( - THIS P**SES ME OFF

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Analogue switch off, anyone remember that?:)

NGTV is neither here or there, if VM don't have the capacity in a area they can't launch the HD channels.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Whilst it's disappointing, I don't think anyone can disagree with that statement. After all the good news of the past few weeks the last couple of days have been a bit of a downer with this news, plus finding out the V HD box is going to cost me £110!

Looks like I'm going to be one of those posters asking when NGTV is launching in my area every few days now :D That's Newton Abbot headend by the way lol ;)

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Good point, here's hoping!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

...and breathe. I'm pretty sure that others who have to wait until nearer to June will be more annoyed about the situation. As they have already started Manchester, then it does look as if the NGTV switch in Oldham is going to be soon. Patience is key...

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

any idea when area ref 04 will be changing to ngtv (could be b'ham or wolverhampton) by the way hi to everyone (my first post) been reading this forum for some time now finally decided to join keep up the good work ben and media boy

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I thank you for your reply but If they want happy customers and not customers sick of STUPID ROLLOUTS :rolleyes: they should have thought about this fully first.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I live in Knowsley and couldnt find our area on the NGTV rollout, do we come under Manchester? Liverpool/Knowsley wasn't on the list.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

yeah but you miss my point you can get it for free on tna, and if there future paln are right they will have alot of big stars soon

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Also on Extreme Sports Channel now too, enjoyed there tv shows last few weeks.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

So does anyone know whether the ngtv roll out is the cause of the delay or the analogue switch off? There is no point people checking to see if they are in an ngtv enabled area if it's not the deciding factor.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

What headend do i look for in Wigan. Only cable could do this offer channels to some and not to others. Do the ones who cant get the channels get a refund of £1.50 a month.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

doubt VM would refund you £1.50 per month just because you dont get channels till later.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Why is the box costing £110 when the V+ hd is only £75 at the moment?
Also I think the V+ is going to be on offer cheaper in april.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

So why not publish a timetable of when we will get NGTV. Anyone know when for Wigan.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Analogue was switched off in Coventry eons ago. No sign of Cov being NGTVed yet. :(

Hell, Cov was chosen for the 200Mb broadband trials, so bandwidth isn't an issue here....unless the new HD channels require additional bandwidth from switched video functionality which NGTV provides.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

im just a messenger and i really dont know why VM dont issue a timetable of of when NGTV will be rolled out. to be honest i think VM have handled things badly from the slow HD uptake, Analogue awitch off and the NGTV roll out, now to add the staggered launch of the next phase of HD channels due to NGTV roll out being slower then anticipated is bound to cause dissapointment to a vast percentage of their Tv subcribers.
its great to get these new channels for free but its still a poor show off VM to stagger the launch.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

That kind of sucks especially after all the good news we have had over the last few weeks. But I was half expecting something like this.

Looking at Media Boys NGTV headend thread it looks like roughly half have been done and seeing as they have been swapping cards since November does anyone else thing that they will not get the other half done in 10 weeks?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I keep reading about areas mentioned like ex ntl and ex c/w and telewest.
I havent a clue which one I`m on, how do you find that out ?
I live on the wirral

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

They don't need to switch off all of analogue to do those trials.

Can't say I was aware that Coventry had gone digital only, I seem to recollect it was one of those "tricky" areas to do and would be one of the areas left to last. Oh well, I should be sent to Coventry for the error!:)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I think Coventry was one of the first areas to go Digital only. And yes, you should be sent to Coventry. :mad:;)

Its just....disappointing, really. Was looking forward to Digital Cable HD Day on April 1st.....and now, this.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Why do you think its going to cost £110 for the new V HD box - its £49 for VHD box and £35 for installation thats £84.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

It is £75 if you already have a V+ and a V box. Most people would want to swap their second box (normally a V box on the XL Plus and VIP pack) which makes a total of £110 which is not a good deal for tjhose that take all services and pay the most.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Plus depending what what your current package call them Monday and say you want the New V HD box but can they send it via post -(Worth a Try, but I doubt they will)
or
Maybe try and upgrade your services and they maybe able todo a deal I joined and went for the VIP pack and asked I would only take it if I got FULL services and they have upgraded me to XXL 50MB BB.

Always worth a go and see what they can do - they always have deals

Sometimes upgrades might only cost you £4/5 per month but if they are able to through another deal i.e. free line rental for 6 mths you will end up evens at end of year.

Give it ago you just have to see what deal they have on at the moment.

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Thats not what the add states http://www.virginmediapeople.com/hd/

One Off cost of £49 for all TV customers

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

They post a timetable for upgrades and as is the fact of all project plans the odds are it moves to the right and people moan.

They don't post a timetable due to the vagaries of project planning and people moan.

They can't win! :dozey:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

That only applies if it's the first HD box

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

So this is in the T&C which are not displayed.

I dont get the appeal anyway why spend that on a HD box that does not record.

You can get the V+HD off ebay for £20-£40 and there are a few new Samsung boxes.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

You cannot buy a STB as they remain the property of Virgin Media and only boxes supplied by Virgin Media can be used and added to someones account

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Good luck with that then. How would you install it? :erm:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I suppose in one way its good and one way its bad.

Good - As the STB are fully covered and we dont have to pay for someone to come out to Repair or Replace (For the life of the contract)

Bad - STB are cheaper elsewhere (but I can see the point)

When I was with Sky I had two HD boxes - I bought the original at the old original £250 and then 2nd off ebay for £50.

Sky let you buy box's from wherever, all you have todo is call them to get the card registered to the STB but then Sky charge for call outs and repair/replacements.

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Anyway there goes by plan to upgrade my V Box to V+HD

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Interesting article here on Freeview HD. Covers Five HD decision not to launch, and the implications of this - that the BBC will launch a 2nd HD channel. Also says that Five is not exclusive to Sky:

http://www.dtg.org.uk/dtg/press_rele...m_20100318.pdf

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

If you read the prev posts you will see were talking about upgrading your V box to V HD box hence the high price.

Which you just plug the box in.

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Already stated on a prev page/post.

I emailed Five Head of Press and confirmed the same thing.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Preston.

You're on either the Birkenhead or Bromborough hubsites, which are part of "Manchester". It's ex-C/W.

You're Preston too.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Thanks Spiderplant

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I've got an idea for Virgin how about two bars to tell you how little space you have left on your V+: One telling you how much space you have left for SD programmes and the other for HD programmes.

ALSO (I was going to start another thread on this but thought better of it)
I don't stop watching T.V at 23:55 like Virgin would probably like me to, SO I don't appreciate my TV freezing for half an hour so it can sort out any "updates" it wants. I want to be able to change channel, watch VOD, or watch a V+ed programmed if I want, without the box doing absolutely nothing!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I agree ;) Really annoying

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I live in Newport with the NGTV change. Will my area come under Cardiff?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Some news on HD line ups.

Some could be early 2010 release but expectation is either all or most will be late 2010 early 2011 (Note nothing 100% that all will be on VM as some will be partnered by BskyB)

Comedy Central HD - 25% owned by BskyB & 75% Viacom so could be a Sky deal only.
E! HD - may not happen due to lack of HD content
Bio HD
History HD
BET HD
Bravo HD - plus maybe Bravo+1 HD but it might be pulled
QVC HD
ESPN America HD - This will happen
ESPN2 HD - This may not get released to UK but we will have a ESPN2 channel with ESPN renamed as ESPN1 and the ESPN HD channel showing 1&2 content.
ESPN Classic HD - This wont be until 2011 and will be upscaled SD again some doubt if this will get released within UK.
VH1 HD - Maybe, HD/upscaled SD.
Animal Planet HD
FTV HD (Fashion TV)
CNN HD - Maybe
Sky Sports News HD

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Thank you!

It is v. annoying!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

If I had to put a number on it I would say 10 of these will happen

With, E!, BET, QVC, ESPN2 & ESPN Classic not airing in the UK - but you never know with broadcasters.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

VH1 HD? Are you having a laugh, they have no HD contnet to show, they could just increae the bit rate and the picture would improve.

Comedy Central HD is the one I would love the most (along with ESPNA HD), it is the most watched channel in our household.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

noting Bio & History are already here - well @ Sky

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Hence why I stated upscaled SD.

Some of our so called HD channels already do this

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

But those channels also have HD content to put on them. You cant have a HD channel with just upscalled SD. You might as well increase the bitrate on the SD channel and save a load of money and bandwidth.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

They will do the same as MTV HD BOTH HD/upscaled SD content.

Same as the likes of C4 HD, E4 HD, EuroSport HD, FX HD the list goes on.

There are only a hand full of channels that show full HD content i.e. non SD upscaled

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Your missing the point, what does VH1 show that has HD content? I hardly ever see new music on there so all their music videos they play are going to be SD anyway.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Watch Saturday Morning Shuffle from 9am or VH1 Shuffle during the day.

Alicia Keys - Empire State Of Mind (Part II) Cheryl Cole - Parachute JLS - One Shot Leona Lewis - I Got You Owl City - Fireflies Robbie Williams - Morning Sun Sugababes - Wear My Kiss Timbaland Ft. Katy Perry - If We Ever Meet Again

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I wasnt intending to join in the "when is my headend being upgraded" debate until I saw that until this happens I wont get the full range of HD channels.

Whilst I dont feel as strongly about this as some other forum members (although I understand their strength of feeling) as I am actualy happy with the upscaling capabilities of my V+ box, I am a bit annoyed that I am paying the same for my service as other people but wont be getting the same level of service.

Now I am realistic, I understand that pure logistics mean that the change over cant happen at the same time for everybody. It would not be fair on those who have had the switch over to have to wait for the rest of us before they get the channels.

I do think that VM should provide those of us that have to wait with a slight reduction in subscriptions until the change takes place. Truth is (IMHO) that VM will be aware that proportionaly there will likely be very few subscribers that are aware that they arent getting the same service as others (probably mainly those subscribers that also use forums such as this one) and so dont really care about the few of us that do know.

As I said this IS a bit of sour grapes, because I am reasnobly happy with SD, but overall I want there to be fairness. If I pay the same as others I should get the same as others, if it isnt possible to provide me with the same service (and I realise it isnt) then I shouldnt pay the same.

Oh yes, and that headend question.... When is Colchester changing over?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

At least it's just June and not coming soon like the interactive place holder page I had for six years.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Does anyone know when Tonbridge is going NGTV. What headend are we on?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

At least VM are being honest and managing your expectations regarding the rollout... would be worse if they waited until the day they were to launch and then said "oh by the way, you won't get these channels until May etc..."

My area hasn't gone NGTV yet and I may miss out on the launch..not happy, but as I said earlier, you can't expect them to upgrade a soon to close headend, it would be such a waste of money.

Media Boy has already created a NGTV thread.. I'm sure he will be updating that thread as and when he gets more info on rollout.

Some of us will have to endure a little time without the new channels, but it will all be worth it in the end... this is going to be a good year for VM and it's customers! :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I think you're off Crawley and you are already on NGTV.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Yeah, it's Crawley.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Stafford is,nt on NGTV yet what headend are we on?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

At home, so not got all the lists here, but I think you are Lichfield? Could be wrong.. Spiderplant would prob know :)

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Not sure about stafford i thought you might have been the same as us but we were done last weds and a mate in stafford told me they were not.

Back to the hd channels what about the other channels itv + channels and the others are they launching as normal?.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

AFAIK they are launching as normal... HD requires upgrades and that is why there is a delay for some.

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Totally agree that they are being honest I didnt dispute that, but that doesent mean they are being fair.

I actualy dont mind waiting till June (as long as it is June), as I said I am quite happy with the upscaling capabilities of the V+ - when I select what I am going to watch the issue of if it is in HD or not is quite low down my list of priorities.

But I still think that if I am not getting the same service as others I shouldnt have to pay the same. I know it wont change, and to be honest I am not going to loose sleep over it, I just believe in fairness.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Just in case anyone needs the link

The NGTV news page by Media Boy is HERE

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Yes

Crawley - already done

Lichfield

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Only a very small percentage will be waiting till June, majority will be upgraded well before then.

You also have to remember that VM are supplying the HD channels as a free add on to your subscription and therefore no refunds will be given.

The other option VM had would of been to delay ALL of the HD launches until June... now I don't think that would be fair either.. the upgrades are for a unified network, so everyone gets the same.

You are of course completely entitled to your opinion on this :)

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Cheers SP :)

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So the ones which are on NGTV are ready for the hd channels?.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

yes.. you won't need the new smartcards, just to be on NGTV

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Thanks was talking to a mate at work this morning and he was convinced that you needed the new smartcards for the hd channels but he wouldn't take no for an answer.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Am I right to think Wigan will come soon as theres work in Manchester which isnt to far away

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

My sister lives very close to southampton which is an area listed as ngtv but when she checked it doesnt look as if its there yet.
Should she need to reboot the box to get it, or is it automatic?

Thanks
Dave

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

It's automatic.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Thanks that's good to know. I'd assumed the fact that we've not been sent the new smart cards in Plymouth was a bad sign, but maybe there is still hope?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Damn...I'm in Greenwich (I think we're on the Lewisham head end). Any idea when we'll get the upgrade?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

We don't get told until a few days before the switch, so not at the moment.

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I want....I want.....I want to be NGTVed! :D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Anyone know regards Wigan as it seems Virgin are working in the North West.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I am so glad that I went back to virginmedia with all these new HD Channels coming along.

Great news!!! And just in time for the world cup too.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Just a reminder that all the NGTV information is being posted here ....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...changelog.html

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Any one know when London NW1 will change over to NGTV? I believe we come under Haringey

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Any idea when there doing Cardiff??

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

No
No

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I do actually by June. :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

nope

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Anyone know when Oldham will be done?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I'm Stourbridge so i guess i'll be on the brum headend. Anyone know when Birminghams date is?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

-Well said, you beat me to it....:mad:

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Tell you what i have just found out on this NGTV go on to tv guide on a v+ and advance the full 7 days from now right upto the 27th and the time 22.30 it gives listings right up to then on the old one it would say no programme information.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

There's no point asking "When will my headend be NGTV?" as nobody is able to give this information.

I understand everyones concerns and we all want to get the new HD channels... sit tight... they are coming very soon....Only a very small amount of customers will be waiting until June. :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Shouldn`t be any,What a total cock up.Bet sky are laughing there *******s off,You would of thought now they are listening to there customers regarding hd and trying to compete with sky that they would have worked overtime to get everybody upgraded before april 1st.April Fools Day alright vm are going to look the fools,No doubt us in preston will be one of the last 31st May knowing vm

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

I agree it is a bit of a cock up , im in the norwich area and i bet i will be switched over almost last. Im especially annoyed because i think there is some decent stuff on eurosport HD in april and may , and i probably will not get to see it in Hd.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

How very kind of you to acknowledge that I am entitled to my opinion.... it is of course the correct one ;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

If it helps, I like watching eurosport too. So I'll let you know if it looks better in HD :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

:D:D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Oh thanks very much you lucky *******.:D

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Does when you received the new UK4 software have anything to do with timing of when you will be switched over to NGTV.? And is there anyone out there who still has not got the UK4 software.?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Over the last month VM have released press release after press release with 6 new HD channels coming and their not stopping there.

The last 2/3 pages are people just moaning that there might be a slight delay for them getting these new HD channels which is due to the NGTV upgrade being completed.

I myself are one of those that will not get these HD channels for 1st/2nd April.

The fact VM are completing the NGTV upgrade which benefits all VM customers and the fact they are listening and starting to produce promises around more HD content.

So for those that who wish to moan and curse about a possiable month delay (no doubt it will be done sooner) either except that VM are doing this for the greater good or GO TO SKY

NGTV post gives all the inforamtion needed so go moan there.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Guys, im not tech minded so please forgive this question

I now have News Multi screen - im in the Luton catchment area - but no new card.

So will i get the HD channels on day of launch or not?

Thanks :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Yes.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

first of all its ACCEPT not EXCEPT !!

the next point its not just as easy as "GO TO SKY". even with all the great information you brought you just proved how moronic you can be.
people just cant up sticks and move to Sky there is people who ristrictions by either not being able to have a sky dish installed due to living in rented accomodation and not having permission off the landlords or because then live in housing unsuitable for installing sky dishes (high rise flats), there is even places where the local council wont let you have permission to have a dish on the house regardless of if you own it or not.

sure its only a short wait (2 months actually not 1 if you are the last area to be swapped to NGTV) but people on VM have been waiting a long time for the HD revolution to finally happen on VM sure we got a little last year but the latest announcement is rally putting VM on par with Sky and to announce them to all and then to issue restrictions to people due to VM not upgrading as fast as they thought is dissapointing. Maybe VM should of taken the NGTV upgrades into account and mentioned it on all the announcements that the channels are NGTV spacific or that the channel will be available to all in june (sooner to customers on NGTV).

as it is VM have shot themselves in the foot by doing a pretty poor job on clarity of the situation (or a good job in decieving customers) and customers have the right to moan about it.

my area is already on NGTV (Teesside) so personally its not going to affect me, but i do feel for those who are going to have to wait as ive been on the end of a few deals like this (not just on VM) and its annoying to have to wait for something other have already even though you are paying the same price.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Calm down children please :erm::D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

As someone who lives in an area which will not get the new HD channels I have to say I feel pretty hard done to by this. After YEARS of waiting for Virgin to get their act together with HD they fall at the last hurdle.

Could it really have been so difficult to have upgraded all the head ends by now? It's absolutely pathetic and shows they are still totally clueless as a TV provider. I won't be going to Sky as I despise Murdoch, but they have managed to reset my opinion on them back to 'these guys are cluess imbeciles' level.

And frankly I don't see why I should be paying the same XL charge as everyone else when I will soon be getting a LOT less for my money than others will. (as for me, I only watch HD channels)

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Maybe they should have bothered to have warned everyone first that only a random selection of VM customers will get these channels. What they have done is get everyone excited at the prospect of new HD only to pull it away from us at the last moment. It's a stupid way to run a business.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

In the end what difference does a few weeks really make?

And if you feel hard done by for getting less for your money being on xl then think about the people on sd who are subsidising your hd viewing :p:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010)
 

Just goes to show that you dont really understand how people feel. Just because you dont mind, please dont trivialise the sentiments of those that quite legitimatly express their opinions..... As you said to me recently they are entitled to their opinions, to make filppant remarks just goes to show that you are trying to imply that you are better than all of us that do mind, if you really are then dont say anything and let those of us that think this unfair to express out opinions without being likened to children.