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Bill C 10-05-2006 20:45
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Originally Posted by Mal
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Originally Posted by Scarlett
I'm sure that even with zero tolerence, asking someone to pick up some litter is far more effective than fining them (especially a 16 year old who probably doesn't have that type of money). Sure if they turn around and say no (or some other responses that wouldn't get passed the swear filters) then fine them and well done but there are 2 parts to this and while fining will get the message accross (and raise revenue - funny that isn't it, almost the same as why the police prefer speed camaras over speed warning signs) it will annoy the people who are going to vote for you next election.

I'm sure that the council in question can sleep happy in there beds knowing that rather then persuading the voters to think and not drop litter, they've scared them in to throwing every last pice of litter in the bin just in case one of these inspectors is watching. The dictators of the world would be proud, secret police anyone ?

Don't get me wrong, I hate litter as much as the next man but I hate officials using the 'one size fits all' philosophy. Use your brains!
I suppose that this proves that they are in a no win situation - crack down and be called dictators or let it slide and be accused of not doing enough to clean up the city.

Thousands of people come and go in Manchester alone each day. Do we want a clean city or do we think it is okay if we only drop one piece of litter a day?
Well said

Shabba 10-05-2006 20:50
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---------- Post added at 21:50 ---------- Previous post was at 21:48 ----------

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Originally Posted by handyman
Almost every single product in a super market is produced in packging that could end up as litter.
Therefore i find it reasonable to enforce a government imposed levy to help pay for the cleanup cost or should i have to be expected to clean the mess in my garden at my expense at no cost whatsoever to the polluters?

Scarlett 10-05-2006 21:00
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Originally Posted by unlimited
Come on this is the real world not the world that we all wish it was. People drop litter by the ton each day in our towns and cities and it is about time something was done to put a stop to it. The only way you are going to stop people doing it is if you fine them, Now it does not take a lot of Brains to work that out does it. I think there should be a special fine for those dumping there cancer sticks on the floor as well.
Actually the point was made by the intial contact and the guy pointing to the litter, fining did nothing to improve the message. (except generate revenue for the council and make a good 'outrage' (tm) story for the papers)

Sure if they are actually going to flout the law then fine em but fining all and sundry is not IMO the best way to go about it. if they offer to go back and pick it up in good grace then point out if they do it again they're likely to get fined. Message gets accross without the fine (Carrot) but with the promise that if they do it again then they might well get fined (Stick).

Bill C 10-05-2006 21:03
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Originally Posted by Scarlett
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Originally Posted by unlimited
Come on this is the real world not the world that we all wish it was. People drop litter by the ton each day in our towns and cities and it is about time something was done to put a stop to it. The only way you are going to stop people doing it is if you fine them, Now it does not take a lot of Brains to work that out does it. I think there should be a special fine for those dumping there cancer sticks on the floor as well.
Actually the point was made by the intial contact and the guy pointing to the litter, fining did nothing to improve the message. (except generate revenue for the council and make a good 'outrage' (tm) story for the papers)

Sure if they are actually going to flout the law then fine em but fining all and sundry is not IMO the best way to go about it. if they offer to go back and pick it up in good grace then point out if they do it again they're likely to get fined. Message gets accross without the fine (Carrot) but with the promise that if they do it again then they might well get fined (Stick).
And thanks to this anyone in that area will think twice about dropping litter :).

Hom3r 10-05-2006 21:08
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What about that bloke who through away some junk mail that was delivered to his house in a street bin.

He got done for throwing domestic rubbish in a public bin?

greencreeper 10-05-2006 22:22
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The fines aren't about litter prevention - they're about money. It's a question of priorites - make money first, prevent litter second. That was what annoyed me what Leeds Council started issuing £50 fines.

Paddy1 11-05-2006 11:54
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What does the warden do if you just refuse to give your details? I doubt he has powers of arrest.

Gareth 11-05-2006 12:04
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I can't believe everyone has fallen for the story about litter, but you've all missed the real shocker in this article...
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Sorrell Walsh, 16, had just finished a 95p Twister
95p?!? For a Twister?!?

:Yikes:

I can remember when they only cost 35p and a Cornetto was 50p!

handyman 11-05-2006 12:11
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Originally Posted by Shabba
---------- Post added at 21:50 ---------- Previous post was at 21:48 ----------


Therefore i find it reasonable to enforce a government imposed levy to help pay for the cleanup cost
The government should fund this from tax's and rates this is what we bloody pay them for.

Nugget 11-05-2006 12:23
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Originally Posted by Scarlett
Actually the point was made by the intial contact and the guy pointing to the litter, fining did nothing to improve the message. (except generate revenue for the council and make a good 'outrage' (tm) story for the papers)

Sure if they are actually going to flout the law then fine em but fining all and sundry is not IMO the best way to go about it. if they offer to go back and pick it up in good grace then point out if they do it again they're likely to get fined. Message gets accross without the fine (Carrot) but with the promise that if they do it again then they might well get fined (Stick).
The problem is that it seems unlikely (from what the story said) that this girl would have gone back to pick the stick up if she hadn't been challenged by the warden. Whereas it does appear that she's fallen victim of a particularly pernicketty warden, she has left litter - doesn't really matter if you offer to pick it up once you've been caught, because the 'damage' has already been done :shrug:

orangebird 11-05-2006 12:30
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Tough ****e. She littered, she gets fined. Just because she got caught and offered to pick it up, so what? If a burglar gets caught and then offers to put the loot back, do you drop the charges of burglary? No.


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