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Chrysalis 10-04-2006 03:37
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I dont understand outsourcing it suppoesdbly saves cash but when you have agency staff and contractors it costs a lot of ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ ’‚£.

Agency staff = less cash to the worker but more cash to the agency then a direct employee would cost.

Contractors = more cash per hour, alot more but they dont have to be employed x amount of hours per week just pay for work rendered.

injuneer 10-04-2006 08:23
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I dont understand outsourcing it suppoesdbly saves cash but when you have agency staff and contractors it costs a lot of ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ ’‚£.

Agency staff = less cash to the worker but more cash to the agency then a direct employee would cost.

Contractors = more cash per hour, alot more but they dont have to be employed x amount of hours per week just pay for work rendered.
By outsourcing to a third party they pass on the responsibility for paying National Insurance and Pension provision which, they say, saves them a lot of money. It removes them from any social obligations and looks good on paper for the shareholders :td:

orangebird 10-04-2006 09:12
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Originally Posted by injuneer
By outsourcing to a third party they pass on the responsibility for paying National Insurance and Pension provision which, they say, saves them a lot of money. It removes them from any social obligations and looks good on paper for the shareholders :td:
Indeed. Also, things like benefits (very good at ntl), holiday an sick pay etc etc. Outsourcing gets rid of most of the cost and all of the hassle of these type of things.

Womble 10-04-2006 09:44
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Alan Grant, the hateful SOB than ran COBI, is now a Director of Cobra, the main contractor in the South (funny old game!)
Rumour is that Service will be outsourced to Cobra,
Networks, now they have been moved under Networks will remain "In-House"

Also, the agreement to rebrand under Virgin states the Consumer arm? Does that mean the core of ntl will remain ntl, as opposed to Virgin??

James Henry 10-04-2006 12:55
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Also, the agreement to rebrand under Virgin states the Consumer arm? Does that mean the core of ntl will remain ntl, as opposed to Virgin??
Makes sense, get some paper walls up between the consumer / retail and those actually providing the services in the stylie of BT Openreach / Retail. Pre-emptive action as Ofcom are somewhat compelled, even with the old boys' network, to take a good look at this new company and rate it for Significant Market Power with a view to regulating it, mandating access to networks, etc.

Pierre 10-04-2006 13:17
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Originally Posted by Womble
Alan Grant, the hateful SOB than ran COBI, is now a Director of Cobra, the main contractor in the South (funny old game!)
Rumour is that Service will be outsourced to Cobra,
Networks, now they have been moved under Networks will remain "In-House"

Also, the agreement to rebrand under Virgin states the Consumer arm? Does that mean the core of ntl will remain ntl, as opposed to Virgin??
Yes, I found AGs move to Cobra most amusing, Personally I don't rate them.

We have to wait and see what Model is followed, TW outsource their Civils and cabling operations in a Turnkey contract. Fujitsu in the North and Avonline in the South West (and possibly some others) they have few civils inspectors called network consultants or somthing or other.

ntls on the other hand have a large civils and cabling dept, I've never worked out why as they haven't built anything of any note since 2000.

However it is a ntl guy who has got the Civils HOD job so who knows which way it's going to go.

Bill C 10-04-2006 16:01
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I was made redundant in December from NTL. I am now contracting for NTL business installing routers and doing a very similar job to my old job. I was originally taken on as a trainer but have now been moved to this project instead. I still work out of the same office and talk to my old boss every day, Its a funny old world. :Yikes:

hairy_mick 10-04-2006 18:33
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what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.

Bill C 10-04-2006 19:19
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Originally Posted by hairy_mick
what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.
:tu:

Toto 10-04-2006 19:25
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Originally Posted by hairy_mick
what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.
Doesn't say much for Cobra then does it?

Womble 10-04-2006 19:58
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Originally Posted by unlimited
I was made redundant in December from NTL. I am now contracting for NTL business installing routers and doing a very similar job to my old job. I was originally taken on as a trainer but have now been moved to this project instead. I still work out of the same office and talk to my old boss every day, Its a funny old world. :Yikes:
And, if my mates are anything to go by...more money too boot??
Network engineers made redundant, theen bought back @£32p/h!!!

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Originally Posted by hairy_mick
what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.
Because he made sure no-one could critisize Cobra for there shoddy work. If you bought up how poor they where in a meeting on on the forum, you where dragged to Manchester for re-education!!!:Yikes:

Escapee 10-04-2006 20:05
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Originally Posted by hairy_mick
what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.
The ones who are no good generally get on very well.

I can think of one HOD who reputedly had a house built for him by contractors, one who resigned over malpractice after finally getting caught, and another who they eventualy got rid of was about as useful as chocolate fireguard, the last I heard of him he was a CEO of a cable company in Bemuda.

The old boys network is still very much alive and well in ntl, many of the clingers on have made contacts and moved. There still remains the really bad ones who are unemployable elsewhere.

I was glad to hear one senior engineering manager is finally out of his position, I remember one of the guys telling him over the phone to ping a device. He said "how do I do that" the answer was "from the DOS prompt..."
He said "how do I get a DOS prompt" !!!!!

He was the sort of "technical" manager who went around trying to tell everyone how good he was and how they should do their job, and how much more he knew than everyone else. In fact it was all a bulls**t to hide the fact that he was technically very weak.

ntl will never change.

hairy_mick 10-04-2006 21:32
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womble how right you are we were in a meeting with AG and the question asked was what can we due to improve ntl well the first thing is to get a grip of the contractors on know we are not here to discuss that that was it matter closed they think the sun shines out of there backsides. Agender get the contractors more work= you can guess the rest.

Womble 10-04-2006 23:43
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Originally Posted by Escapee
I was glad to hear one senior engineering manager is finally out of his position, I remember one of the guys telling him over the phone to ping a device. He said "how do I do that" the answer was "from the DOS prompt..."
He said "how do I get a DOS prompt" !!!!!

He was the sort of "technical" manager who went around trying to tell everyone how good he was and how they should do their job, and how much more he knew than everyone else. In fact it was all a bulls**t to hide the fact that he was technically very weak.

ntl will never change.
I take it you are NOT talking about Tully?? I'm Just Mc guessing :)

Bill C 11-04-2006 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee
Quote:
Originally Posted by hairy_mick
what i dont understand is how AG got the job with a contractor he was no good at ntl,you cant get rid of these people you would have to shoot them.
The ones who are no good generally get on very well.

I can think of one HOD who reputedly had a house built for him by contractors, one who resigned over malpractice after finally getting caught, and another who they eventualy got rid of was about as useful as chocolate fireguard, the last I heard of him he was a CEO of a cable company in Bemuda.

The old boys network is still very much alive and well in ntl, many of the clingers on have made contacts and moved. There still remains the really bad ones who are unemployable elsewhere.

I was glad to hear one senior engineering manager is finally out of his position, I remember one of the guys telling him over the phone to ping a device. He said "how do I do that" the answer was "from the DOS prompt..."
He said "how do I get a DOS prompt" !!!!!

He was the sort of "technical" manager who went around trying to tell everyone how good he was and how they should do their job, and how much more he knew than everyone else. In fact it was all a bulls**t to hide the fact that he was technically very weak.

ntl will never change.
Yes i have personally seen 1 or 2 managers walking around with that worried look on there face.

I feel for the guys at the coal face whenever this happens. All this change does not help them to get on with the work they do.


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