Originally Posted by PWS

Without permission you can not be recorded or have yer picture taken.

Originally Posted by Chris T

Not quite correct.

Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?
Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted.
Do I have to let people know that I intend to record their telephone conversations with me?
No, provided you are not intending to make the contents of the communication available to a third party. If you are you will need the consent of the person you are recording.

From http://www.retellrecorders.co.uk/legal/home.htm

You can record without permission, unless you want to divulge the recording to a third party. Only then do you need permission. It is not an issue of copyright - the law that applies here has nothing to do with copyright. It is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 ("RIPA").

Originally Posted by Neil

Not strictly true....

You need to inform them if you will be using the recording to a 3rd party (Watchdog for example), but if you were only going to play it to the 1st party (in this case ntl), then yo udon;t need to seek permisson or inform them that you are recording it.

Originally Posted by Neil

Which is what I said earlier.....

Originally Posted by Chris T

Indeed. But some things need saying over and over befiore the message gets through ... :D

Originally Posted by Chris T

Not quite correct.

Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?
Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted.
Do I have to let people know that I intend to record their telephone conversations with me?
No, provided you are not intending to make the contents of the communication available to a third party. If you are you will need the consent of the person you are recording.

From http://www.retellrecorders.co.uk/legal/home.htm

You can record without permission, unless you want to divulge the recording to a third party. Only then do you need permission. It is not an issue of copyright - the law that applies here has nothing to do with copyright. It is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 ("RIPA").

Originally Posted by PWS

Ah..the great british law... lol

I'm refering to copyright law and not telephoney law which are both different.

the good thing about british law is that it can be used to fit any purpouse as its very complex and outdated in many area's lol

Originally Posted by Chris T

I know you're referring to copyright law. But OFCOM says it is not copyright law that is relevant here, it's telecoms law. That's why Neil and I have been saying you're wrong - you're using the wrong law to arrive at your conclusions. However, if you can cite me the section of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act that refers to recording of telephone conversations, I'll stand corrected.

Originally Posted by PWS

How about this...if someone had your face on a billboard without your permission you can sue...as with your voice without your permission.
the meduim doesnt mateer...its the permission being granted thats the point.

Originally Posted by DrK

can i get any help plz...

woke up to no Tv and no phone this morning.... had billing hell from ntl since i moved house, and spent maybe 10hours on with CS and still getting nowhere...

any advice? or should i just leave.