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abailey152 09-10-2005 09:17

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
I've just moved from NTL to Sky+. IMHO, Sky+ is miles better.

First there is the recording feature as described in previous posts and the ability to pause live TV. In fact, after a tip from the installation engineer, I've taken to pausing anything on Sky One etc. at the start, then playing it back 10 mins after it has started. Every time adverts start, I fast forward through them. By the end of the program, I've then caught up with real time, without sitting through endless adverts. This is great as the amount of breaks on Sky is a real pain normally.

Then there's Dolby Digital on the new films etc. Also, the programme guide is much faster than NTL's and you can find what you want more easily.

The only backward step, is the reminder. I used to be able to set reminders to switch channels automatically on NTL. Unfortunately, Sky's reminders do just that. They do not swap channel automatically.

robtufts 09-10-2005 09:27

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
I am considering getting sky+ (with multiroom) and was wondering what sort of cable is used to send the other feed, is it normal coax with the usual tv aerial connectors? Or if it's a different connector, is it possible to use normal coax cable and then put new connectors on the ends? I ask these questions because we would be wanting one box downstairs, and one in the bedroom (which is in the loft and getting new cables installed is a big effort). I wouldn't mind staying with ntl for digital tv, but you seem to get more with sky, for less.

arcamalpha2004 09-10-2005 09:30

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abailey152
I've just moved from NTL to Sky+. IMHO, Sky+ is miles better.

First there is the recording feature as described in previous posts and the ability to pause live TV. In fact, after a tip from the installation engineer, I've taken to pausing anything on Sky One etc. at the start, then playing it back 10 mins after it has started. Every time adverts start, I fast forward through them. By the end of the program, I've then caught up with real time, without sitting through endless adverts. This is great as the amount of breaks on Sky is a real pain normally.

Then there's Dolby Digital on the new films etc. Also, the programme guide is much faster than NTL's and you can find what you want more easily.

The only backward step, is the reminder. I used to be able to set reminders to switch channels automatically on NTL. Unfortunately, Sky's reminders do just that. They do not swap channel automatically.

I like that tip about the pausing the programme at the start, learn something every day :)
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Quote:

Originally Posted by robtufts
I am considering getting sky+ (with multiroom) and was wondering what sort of cable is used to send the other feed, is it normal coax with the usual tv aerial connectors? Or if it's a different connector, is it possible to use normal coax cable and then put new connectors on the ends? I ask these questions because we would be wanting one box downstairs, and one in the bedroom (which is in the loft and getting new cables installed is a big effort). I wouldn't mind staying with ntl for digital tv, but you seem to get more with sky, for less.

As far as I am aware, they just take the multi room fit from the second output on the dish, and pipe the wire through the wall into your second location.
From where I am I can see the home opposite has multi room fitted, can see the second cables branching off into the outside wall of that room ;)

Dave E 09-10-2005 09:39

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Am becoming more and more disillusioned with NTL especially after recently enquiring as to the availability in Leeds of the much vaunted On Demand. Firstly I was informed that I indeed had access to the service but after 10 minutes of going through on screen menus was informed by an uncomfortable 'advisor' that it was not yet available and that there was no information available as to when it would be. I was also informed that OD is the NTL version of Sky Plus which we know it not to be.
Having spoken to Sky, £49 for a Sky Plus box plus free installation seems very appealing. Also my preferred package on Sky would cost £50.50 per month for multiroom as opposed to £67.50 with NTL including extra STB.
Over to you NTL!

abailey152 09-10-2005 09:45

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robtufts
I am considering getting sky+ (with multiroom) and was wondering what sort of cable is used to send the other feed, is it normal coax with the usual tv aerial connectors? Or if it's a different connector, is it possible to use normal coax cable and then put new connectors on the ends? I ask these questions because we would be wanting one box downstairs, and one in the bedroom (which is in the loft and getting new cables installed is a big effort). I wouldn't mind staying with ntl for digital tv, but you seem to get more with sky, for less.

Not sure how multiroom works. My Sky+ has a twin coax cable from the LNB to 2 inputs on the box.

arcamalpha2004 09-10-2005 09:53

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abailey152
Not sure how multiroom works. My Sky+ has a twin coax cable from the LNB to 2 inputs on the box.

" As far as I am aware, they just take the multi room fit from the second output on the dish, and pipe the wire through the wall into your second location.
From where I am I can see the home opposite has multi room fitted, can see the second cables branching off into the outside wall of that room ;) "


;) ;)

ian@huth 09-10-2005 10:03

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
When you have Sky+ installed they fit a quad LNB to the satellite dish. Two of the feeds from this go to your Sky+ box to allow the recording of two channels at once leaving two spare. These two spares can be used to connect either a further Sky+ box or one or two standard Sky digiboxes. The wiring for multiroom goes from one of these spare connectors on the LNB directly to your second box location.

There is also a second RF feed on all Sky digiboxes which you can use to connect to a second TV elsewhere in the house. You can use a magic eye with this to control the digibox from the second location. Going down this route you can only watch the same channel on your second TV as on the main TV. With multiroom you can watch any channel in your chosen pack on either TV independent of what the other TV is showing.

Sky+ records the original broadcast stream unmodified meaning that you watch the replay in broadcast quality. When you are watching a recording you can exit that to watch something else and return to the exact point that you last watched when you want to resume watching. You can choose wether to watch a recording from the start, from the last viewed position or from any point during the programme. This is handy if you want to watch say a F1 Grand Prix where you can select to start say 50 minutes into the programme to cut out all the pre race section. You can fast forward and rewind at up to 30x normal speed and still see the picture clearly for skipping through parts (or adverts) you don't want to watch. You can also watch in slow motion if their is some benefit in doing so.

Getting rid of NTL DTV and replacing it with Sky+ was the best decision I have ever made in the home entertainment field, only wish that I had taken the decision earlier.

One earlier post suggested that a NTL PVR system would only have the option to record one channel at once but I doubt that will be the case. The PVR box that Telewest was considering actually has three tuners which would mean possibly having the option to record two programmes at once whilst watching a third programme live. With Sky+ you can only watch one of the two programmes being recorded simultaneously or a previously recorded programme, not a further live programme.

handyman 09-10-2005 10:06

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
I think you need a quad lnb as each box needs 2x feeds.

edit- as he said^^^

arcamalpha2004 09-10-2005 10:14

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ian@huth
When you have Sky+ installed they fit a quad LNB to the satellite dish. Two of the feeds from this go to your Sky+ box to allow the recording of two channels at once leaving two spare. These two spares can be used to connect either a further Sky+ box or one or two standard Sky digiboxes. The wiring for multiroom goes from one of these spare connectors on the LNB directly to your second box location.

There is also a second RF feed on all Sky digiboxes which you can use to connect to a second TV elsewhere in the house. You can use a magic eye with this to control the digibox from the second location. Going down this route you can only watch the same channel on your second TV as on the main TV. With multiroom you can watch any channel in your chosen pack on either TV independent of what the other TV is showing.

Sky+ records the original broadcast stream unmodified meaning that you watch the replay in broadcast quality. When you are watching a recording you can exit that to watch something else and return to the exact point that you last watched when you want to resume watching. You can choose wether to watch a recording from the start, from the last viewed position or from any point during the programme. This is handy if you want to watch say a F1 Grand Prix where you can select to start say 50 minutes into the programme to cut out all the pre race section. You can fast forward and rewind at up to 30x normal speed and still see the picture clearly for skipping through parts (or adverts) you don't want to watch. You can also watch in slow motion if their is some benefit in doing so.

Getting rid of NTL DTV and replacing it with Sky+ was the best decision I have ever made in the home entertainment field, only wish that I had taken the decision earlier.

One earlier post suggested that a NTL PVR system would only have the option to record one channel at once but I doubt that will be the case. The PVR box that Telewest was considering actually has three tuners which would mean possibly having the option to record two programmes at once whilst watching a third programme live. With Sky+ you can only watch one of the two programmes being recorded simultaneously or a previously recorded programme, not a further live programme.

That sums it up basically :tu: ;)

abailey152 09-10-2005 22:36

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
" As far as I am aware, they just take the multi room fit from the second output on the dish, and pipe the wire through the wall into your second location.
From where I am I can see the home opposite has multi room fitted, can see the second cables branching off into the outside wall of that room ;) "


;) ;)

Yep, I saw your earlier post, but I couldn't see how a 2nd feed from the dish could go to the 2nd digibox, as this would leave only one feed for the Sky+ box.

ian@huth has now cleared this up with the quad LNB. I didn't know such a thing existed.........I learn something new every day!:)

yarand 20-10-2005 20:23

Re: Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
That sums it up basically :tu: ;)

I have a Sky + box, which feeds from the satellite dish with a double rather than a single cable. Can I take a cable from the Sky + box to a second TV in another room? If so, which terminal(s) on the box do I connect the feeder cable to? Can I then use a TV link to change the Sky + programme in another room using the feeder cable connection?

Derek 20-10-2005 20:42

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4174217&EDATE=

Things are moving forward. They seem to have at least selected a supplier for the PVR.

Is this the same model as the TW one?

arcamalpha2004 20-10-2005 21:07

Re: Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yarand
I have a Sky + box, which feeds from the satellite dish with a double rather than a single cable. Can I take a cable from the Sky + box to a second TV in another room? If so, which terminal(s) on the box do I connect the feeder cable to? Can I then use a TV link to change the Sky + programme in another room using the feeder cable connection?

I do not have multi room, but my limited thought is that you need two sky plus boxes to take advantage of the multi room facility, that way both rooms have their own channel selections.

robtufts 20-10-2005 21:15

Re: ntl cable tv vs Sky Plus
 
Well I went and had sky+ installed on Monday (without a hitch, I kinda expected one being with NTL for about 12 years ;)) and not sure how I lived without it. Seems to either always be something on to watch, or something which has been recorded. Glad I chose this now instead of regular sky or ntl digital.

ian@huth 21-10-2005 10:06

Re: Sky Plus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yarand
I have a Sky + box, which feeds from the satellite dish with a double rather than a single cable. Can I take a cable from the Sky + box to a second TV in another room? If so, which terminal(s) on the box do I connect the feeder cable to? Can I then use a TV link to change the Sky + programme in another room using the feeder cable connection?

You can take a coax cable from the RF2 out connector on the back of your Sky+ box to the TV elsewhere in the house. You will have to turn the RF2 connection power supply to on in the services menu to allow control from the remote location. This is done by going into the Services menu and then into the hidden installer setup menu. Once in Services press 4 then 0 then 1 then select (don't look at the screen as you may think that pressing 0 hasn't done anything but it has). Select option 4 for RF outlets and turn RF Outlet Power Supply to ON. You will need a magic eye and another remote (unless you keep moving your remote between locations) which you can get from places like Maplin (Google "Sky magic eye" for other sellers).


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