Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36198053)

I don't understand this war. Everyday in Mecca, Saudi Arabia they recite the Quran as does the rest of the Muslim world. In those verses are Israel. Whatever your stand point Israel is reality. By wiping out Israel through war means the holy book doesn't hold credibility. It's a story ffs. There is no Quran without Israel. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Chris

What got my attention this afternoon is how Trump, like the pathetic bully he is, is now threatening Iran to make a deal lest things get worse, as if this is somehow anything to do with him.

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198078)

They can deliver bombs to Israel, they just demonstrated this.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198077)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198079)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198081)

Except when it wasn’t…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198082)

If they intended to nuke Israel and could convince Russia to lend them a nuke, it would have already happened.

While it is true they would rather Israel not exist, I think the idea they would nuke it asap is far fetched.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198083)

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198085)

No, you're confusing sunni and shia, and Arabs and Persians.

The Iranians are different to Bin Laden. They are a theocratic regime don't want their country burnt to the ground for martyrdom, they are more subtle than that.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198083)

What's your point?
It's clear to everyone what the IAEA was saying: Iran has enough U235 to build a few nuclear bombs.

Put that together with Iran's publicly declared dedication to the destruction of the State of Israel, then the handshaking and smiles from 2015 (your evidence) can be taken with a pinch of salt.


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Is this naievity on your part? What's with this "if" stuff? Iran was refining Uranium for its own nukes. That must be obvious to you - and if not why not?

As to your "far fetched" assertion, it must be at least a 50/50 chance that they they would nuke Israel; they are religious zealots who welcome martyrdom.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198086)

Apologies for my rudeness - but ?????

In this part of the conversation, Shia/Sunni doesn't come into it (except perhaps that the Sunni Arabs are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of their Shia enemy, Iran, being taken down by Israel).

My entire point is about Iran's nuclear development and its intentions toward Israel.

Why have you pivoted away from that?

What have you got against Israel, frankly?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...rael_relations



Clear enough?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198088)

The point is that under the JCPOA Iran couldn’t build a nuclear weapon, so that ipso facto negates your proposition about their "goal"…

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198089)

I haven't pivoted away. The martyrdom doctrine is a religious thing and that requires a religious discussion. Their intention towards nuking Israel requires a discussion on their attitude towards martyrdom -- if they did nuke Israel, America would seek revenge and at that point Russia may not defend them.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198090)

You too? What do you think Iran was doing? Why was/is it enriching Uranium to weapons grade?


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The martyrdom doctrine leads to the death of people with whom the martyrs disagree. I'm worried for you.