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papa smurf 10-02-2025 12:20

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36191024)
You can, Freedom of Information Act. Maybe the Govt wants it to work both ways?

:rofl:

1andrew1 10-02-2025 13:09

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36191021)
i have no problem with the gov accessing my phone as long as i can accesses theirs in this spirit of nothing to hid

Not sure I want to read those 'charming' WhatsApp messages from what we've learnt so far!

RichardCoulter 10-02-2025 14:40

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
At the end of the day the people are going to have to decide upon two things.

1) What is more important to them, their own personal privacy or law enforcement agencies being able to find child sex abusers, terrorists etc. As most people won't have been affected by such acts, I suspect that they will opt for the former.

2) Who rules our country and decides how the law should operate, the elected government of the day, or website owners?

papa smurf 10-02-2025 16:01

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36191035)
At the end of the day the people are going to have to decide upon two things.

1) What is more important to them, their own personal privacy or law enforcement agencies being able to find child sex abusers, terrorists etc. As most people won't have been affected by such acts, I suspect that they will opt for the former.

2) Who rules our country and decides how the law should operate, the elected government of the day, or website owners?

It's very good of you to give us 2 options

Sirius 10-02-2025 16:54

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36191024)
You can, Freedom of Information Act. Maybe the Govt wants it to work both ways?

They would refuse on the grounds of national security which is the standard cop out.

Dude111 10-02-2025 17:09

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Originally Posted by papa smurf
i have no problem with the gov accessing my phone as long as i can accesses theirs in this spirit of nothing to hid

Now that sounds excellent!!

I doubt they would agree though!

RichardCoulter 11-02-2025 01:23

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36191038)
It's very good of you to give us 2 options

What additional options would you say are available?

papa smurf 11-02-2025 08:17

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36191067)
What additional options would you say are available?

This is your fantasy not mine :)

Anonymouse 11-02-2025 08:35

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36191019)
What have folks got to hide? Undeclared income? dodgy torrent data? Or even worse?
The Govt knows best surely? ;)

You are taking the mick, I hope. :p: It's not a question of having anything to hide. Governments have a very poor track record on data safety. They already know, or are finding out, things they don't need to know and shouldn't. I got asked for bank statements by the DWP - when they've just been given ridiculously broad powers to look at people's bank accounts. "Oh, he's got an ISA, he might be hiding 1000s'.

Yeah. I didn't immediately declare it, granted, but that's because mine has precisely 1p in it, and has had since March '22. I got it years ago and I keep it open just in case. But in fact my bank balance has never even reached 5 figures. I mean never.

Halcyon 11-02-2025 08:57

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
I get that it is important to uncover all those doing dodgy things but essentially the government are labelling everyone as that and at the end of the day it is invading my privacy.

papa smurf 11-02-2025 09:37

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36191071)
I get that it is important to uncover all those doing dodgy things but essentially the government are labelling everyone as that and at the end of the day it is invading my privacy.

Welcome to communism

Itshim 11-02-2025 13:58

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36191074)
Welcome to communism

What you calling our beloved labour party.:erm:

Hugh 11-02-2025 16:51

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36191084)
What you calling our beloved labour party.:erm:

Are we discussing the Investigatory Powers (Amendment) Act 2024 that received Royal Assent in April 2024?

RichardCoulter 11-02-2025 19:45

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36191071)
I get that it is important to uncover all those doing dodgy things but essentially the government are labelling everyone as that and at the end of the day it is invading my privacy.

Well, we can't have it both ways can we. To uncover dodgy activity we're going to have to accept innocuous things no longer being private or retain our privacy and accept that terrorist plots, paedophile activity etc etc will go undetected.

I have asked if anyone has ideas for a third way that satisfies both, but nobody seems to have any suggestions.

Paul 11-02-2025 22:18

Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36191094)
Well, we can't have it both ways can we. To uncover dodgy activity we're going to have to accept innocuous things no longer being private or retain our privacy and accept that terrorist plots, paedophile activity etc etc will go undetected.

I have asked if anyone has ideas for a third way that satisfies both, but nobody seems to have any suggestions.

You make the same mistake as the idiots requesting this.
It WILL NOT suddenly stop "terrorist plots, paedophile activity etc etc".
They will simply move on to using something else, all that will be affected is OUR privacy.

There is no "third way". The answer is as simple as its always been, leave it alone.


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