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Hugh 06-10-2024 21:23
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183861)
Are the 2 Deputy Chiefs of Staff and principal private secretary to the Prime Minister, new jobs?
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183865)
No…
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183871)
If they're not new jobs, why did the 3 people in those positions have to leave?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-next-election

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The chief of staff
Liam Booth-Smith started as part of Boris Johnson’s team in No 10, having served as a former policy adviser during Johnson’s Foreign Office days. He was sent to Sunak’s Treasury as part of a newly formed “joint economic unit” within Downing Street, set up by Dominic Cummings so No 10 could keep a close eye on the chancellor. But Booth-Smith prospered under Sunak and moved with him into No 10 to become his chief of staff, reflecting the prime minister’s tendency to promote loyalists from within…

… The deputies
Will Tanner and Rupert Yorke are deputies for Booth-Smith, with Tanner on the policy side and Yorke on political duties. Tanner is a former thinktanker who helped found the centre-right operation Onward, which specialises in thinking and research about the “red wall”. Yorke was brought with Sunak from his days in the Treasury and at the time handled relations with MPs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prin...United_Kingdom

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The Principal Private Secretary to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a senior official in the United Kingdom Civil Service who acts as principal private secretary to the prime minister of the United Kingdom. The holder of this office is traditionally the head of the Prime Minister's Office in 10 Downing Street. In the Civil Service, the role is currently graded as director general…

… List of principal private secretaries to the prime minister (from 1757)

Damien 06-10-2024 21:37
Re: Starmers chronicles
 
Hopefully this is the end of that drama now and No 10 gets a grip.

nomadking 06-10-2024 21:41
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The deputies would've left at change of government.
The Principle Private Secretary is a civil service position, so shouldn't be able to be arbitrarily sacked and the position filled by a political appointee.

papa smurf 06-10-2024 21:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36183874)
Hopefully this is the end of that drama now and No 10 gets a grip.
If only it was that simple.

Hugh 06-10-2024 22:33
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183875)
The deputies would've left at change of government.

The Principle Private Secretary is a civil service position, so shouldn't be able to be arbitrarily sacked and the position filled by a political appointee.
You asked were these new positions - they existed under previous administrations, so they are not new…

May, Johnson, Truss, & Sunak all replaced the Cabinet Office Principal Private Secretary when they took up their roles as PM, Truss & Kwarteng binned the Treasury Principal Private Secretary when he became Chancellor, Priti Patel got rid of her PPS Philip Rutnam, Gavin Williamson fired the Education PPS Jonathan Slater, Johnson fired his Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill, but yeh, sure, PMs & Cabinet Ministers have never "arbitrarily sacked" their PPSs before…

nomadking 06-10-2024 23:12
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183880)
You asked were these new positions - they existed under previous administrations, so they are not new…

May, Johnson, Truss, & Sunak all replaced the Cabinet Office Principal Private Secretary when they took up their roles as PM, Truss & Kwarteng binned the Treasury Principal Private Secretary when he became Chancellor, Priti Patel got rid of her PPS Philip Rutnam, Gavin Williamson fired the Education PPS Jonathan Slater, Johnson fired his Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill, but yeh, sure, PMs & Cabinet Ministers have never "arbitrarily sacked" their PPSs before…
Still 3 people were sacked or moved to non-jobs. Why were those changes needed?

Kursk 07-10-2024 00:07
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36183862)
Dont knock it, the lack of constant childish bickering has been a relief. :angel:
:p:
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36183864)
Kursk raises some valid points the Labour government haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory so far

But how exactly did they hide during the crowdstrike issue ? What would you have had them do? Send MP’s out to boot machines into safe mode, delete the offending file and then restart them again ?
I would have expected someone from Government to quickly provide information and reassurance. When there's a crisis, I expect overt leadership from a trusted source. Remember, this is a tech forum; people here are switched on to what is happening and what needs to be done next. There are many people who use the internet for all sorts of things but they are not necessarily able to cope with IT issues like the techie wizz kids. The issue was too big to leave to word of mouth imho.

Glad you liked the rest of the post though :)

nomadking 07-10-2024 00:26
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The Guardian understands that Gray is expected to receive a peerage with her new role. It is not yet clear whether the envoy position will be paid or not.

Hugh 07-10-2024 08:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183865)
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Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
Are the 2 Deputy Chiefs of Staff and principal private secretary to the Prime Minister, new jobs?
No…
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183861)
Are the 2 Deputy Chiefs of Staff and principal private secretary to the Prime Minister, new jobs?
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183875)
The deputies would've left at change of government.
The Principle Private Secretary is a civil service position, so shouldn't be able to be arbitrarily sacked and the position filled by a political appointee.
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Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
If they're not new jobs, why did the 3 people in those positions have to leave?

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/10/1.gif

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36183885)
Still 3 people were sacked or moved to non-jobs. Why were those changes needed?
I don’t know - why didn’t you ask the same questions when this happened previously?

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The Guardian understands that Gray is expected to receive a peerage with her new role. It is not yet clear whether the envoy position will be paid or not.
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So she will be joining Sunak’s ex-chief of staff, Liz Truss’s ex-deputy chief of staff, and of course, Charlotte Owen, Johnson’s SPAD…

Pierre 07-10-2024 09:42
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183892)
So she will be joining Sunak’s ex-chief of staff, Liz Truss’s ex-deputy chief of staff, and of course, Charlotte Owen, Johnson’s SPAD…
indeed, but the whatabout response just shows that you can't put a fagpaper between the evil crony Tories and the fair and righteous Labour party.

and yes, I am holding Labour to higher standard (not much higher btw) as they spent 14 years criticising the Tories on their behaviour and promised to govern at a higher standard but have been found to be just as degenerate in record time.

Damien 07-10-2024 11:25
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They are still someway off the Tory sleaze and incompetence in terms of delivery, we will need to see if they can improve the country, but it's a bad start and pretty scary/depressing if changing the government doesn't change anything.

If the entire political class cannot govern then we are all screwed.

Hugh 07-10-2024 12:26
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36183895)
indeed, but the whatabout response just shows that you can't put a fagpaper between the evil crony Tories and the fair and righteous Labour party.

and yes, I am holding Labour to higher standard (not much higher btw) as they spent 14 years criticising the Tories on their behaviour and promised to govern at a higher standard but have been found to be just as degenerate in record time.
Yes, you are right - the Labour Politicians doing things that are within the rules, and declaring those donations in the Register of Interest (and not breaking any laws) are exactly like all the crimes, sleaze, and corruption the Tories carried out over the previous 14 years - you know, watching porn in the HoC, not declaring over £110k in donations (and getting fined for it), lying about holidays in Mustique (and getting reprimanded for it by the HoC Standards Committee), lying to the HoC (and being reprimanded for it). breaching Lobbying rules and having to resign, rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment and cocaine abuse, groping men in a private club, hiring girl-friends as non-exec directors, trying to get your girlfriend a job as Chief of Staff in the Foreign Ofgice, PPE Medpro, Randox, Track & Trace, deliberately losing your Special Branch bodyguards to attend a party in Italy held by the son of an ex-KGB senior officer (who was later ennobled), being the first PM and Chancellor to commited a criminal act whilst in office, unlawfully prorogued Parliament, having to resign as Home Secretary over security breaches (then getting re-appointed), unlawfully approving a donor’s planning permission to save them £45 million, "IT lessons", £800k "loan", betting on General Election dates, etc., etc..

papa smurf 07-10-2024 12:32
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36183903)
They are still someway off the Tory sleaze and incompetence in terms of delivery, we will need to see if they can improve the country, but it's a bad start and pretty scary/depressing if changing the government doesn't change anything.

If the entire political class cannot govern then we are all screwed.
you make it sound like a competition and if it is they're catching up fast

Pierre 07-10-2024 13:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183909)
Yes, you are right - the Labour Politicians doing things that are within the rules, and declaring those donations in the Register of Interest (and not breaking any laws) are exactly like all the crimes, sleaze, and corruption the Tories carried out over the previous 14 years - you know, watching porn in the HoC, not declaring over £110k in donations (and getting fined for it), lying about holidays in Mustique (and getting reprimanded for it by the HoC Standards Committee), lying to the HoC (and being reprimanded for it). breaching Lobbying rules and having to resign, rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment and cocaine abuse, groping men in a private club, hiring girl-friends as non-exec directors, trying to get your girlfriend a job as Chief of Staff in the Foreign Ofgice, PPE Medpro, Randox, Track & Trace, deliberately losing your Special Branch bodyguards to attend a party in Italy held by the son of an ex-KGB senior officer (who was later ennobled), being the first PM and Chancellor to commited a criminal act whilst in office, unlawfully prorogued Parliament, having to resign as Home Secretary over security breaches (then getting re-appointed), unlawfully approving a donor’s planning permission to save them £45 million, "IT lessons", £800k "loan", betting on General Election dates, etc., etc..
Yes, well we know all about this forum's take on Moral v Lawful.

But thanks for the list, I'll tick them off, as and when they happen.........as I'm sure they will.

TheDaddy 07-10-2024 13:51
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36183911)
you make it sound like a competition and if it is they're catching up fast
They're really not, as evidenced below

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36183909)
Yes, you are right - the Labour Politicians doing things that are within the rules, and declaring those donations in the Register of Interest (and not breaking any laws) are exactly like all the crimes, sleaze, and corruption the Tories carried out over the previous 14 years - you know, watching porn in the HoC, not declaring over £110k in donations (and getting fined for it), lying about holidays in Mustique (and getting reprimanded for it by the HoC Standards Committee), lying to the HoC (and being reprimanded for it). breaching Lobbying rules and having to resign, rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment and cocaine abuse, groping men in a private club, hiring girl-friends as non-exec directors, trying to get your girlfriend a job as Chief of Staff in the Foreign Ofgice, PPE Medpro, Randox, Track & Trace, deliberately losing your Special Branch bodyguards to attend a party in Italy held by the son of an ex-KGB senior officer (who was later ennobled), being the first PM and Chancellor to commited a criminal act whilst in office, unlawfully prorogued Parliament, having to resign as Home Secretary over security breaches (then getting re-appointed), unlawfully approving a donor’s planning permission to save them £45 million, "IT lessons", £800k "loan", betting on General Election dates, etc., etc..
Pretty exhaustive list, just like to add charlotte owen to it and the super injunction that surrounds her, Owen Patterson for his breaking of paid advocacy rules and the government's attempts to condone and protect him, chris pincher and bozos attempts to cover that up, Greensill, blimey it just goes on and on and people are actually trying to say the parties are the same, really, not only are they not in the same league, they're not even playing the same sports


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