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epsilon 18-10-2022 07:54

Re: CNN
 
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36137423)
Seems daft for CNN not to come back to sky or virgin now. They've taken huge steps back over the last 2 years.

No doubt they thought that viewers would be attracted to subscribe to their, short lived, streaming app. Burning a few bridges and their income stream from Virgin in the process. FTA satellite was possibly retained to make sure that CNN remained available in hotel rooms. Negotiations for the return of a relatively minor channel may not be as easy as pulling the plug.

Cobalt 18-10-2022 13:43

Re: CNN
 
The Warner/Discovery merger messed everything up. HBO programming gutted, Cartoon Network dead, CNN+ unexpectedly getting the axe under new management etc. It's a victim of a larger problem at the top.

epsilon 18-10-2022 16:34

Re: CNN
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt (Post 36137471)
The Warner/Discovery merger messed everything up. HBO programming gutted, Cartoon Network dead, CNN+ unexpectedly getting the axe under new management etc. It's a victim of a larger problem at the top.

The changes were too close to the merger date and probably should have been postponed as they really don't seem to have been agreed beforehand.

Rillington 18-10-2022 18:15

Re: CNN
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36137430)
No doubt they thought that viewers would be attracted to subscribe to their, short lived, streaming app. Burning a few bridges and their income stream from Virgin in the process. FTA satellite was possibly retained to make sure that CNN remained available in hotel rooms. Negotiations for the return of a relatively minor channel may not be as easy as pulling the plug.

Did CNN pay to be on Virgin Media's platform?

As you say, i think the reason for it disappearing off non-pay platforms was due to the launch of their streaming app.

epsilon 19-10-2022 08:34

Re: CNN
 
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Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36137512)
Did CNN pay to be on Virgin Media's platform?

As you say, i think the reason for it disappearing off non-pay platforms was due to the launch of their streaming app.

It depends on the contract. In theory, there are 2 elements, carriage costs (payable by the broadcaster) and revenue share (the share of subscription income paid to the broadcaster by Virgin & dependant on the subscription tier). These can be offset in the contract so that there is only a payment in one direction. I wouldn't like to guess at whether cash moved from CNN to Virgin or vice versa, as I said, it would depend on the terms of the contract.

Media Boy UK 19-10-2022 17:51

Re: CNN
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36137539)
It depends on the contract. In theory, there are 2 elements, carriage costs (payable by the broadcaster) and revenue share (the share of subscription income paid to the broadcaster by Virgin & dependant on the subscription tier). These can be offset in the contract so that there is only a payment in one direction. I wouldn't like to guess at whether cash moved from CNN to Virgin or vice versa, as I said, it would depend on the terms of the contract.

I feel CNN may reappear on Virgin when Virgin sign a new deal with WBD.

Last Discovery deal was signed in 2019 when some channels moves EPG numbers in September/October 1st 2019 (I post this info under Spolier to save the size of this post):

Spoiler: 
Oct. 1st: ID has moved from Virgin UK Channel 170 to Virgin UK Channel 168.
Oct. 1st: Quest HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 172 to Virgin UK Channel 169.
Oct. 1st: Quest Red has moved from Virgin UK Channel 215 to Virgin UK Channel 170.
Oct. 1st: DMAX has moved from Virgin UK Channel 213 to Virgin UK Channel 171.
Oct. 1st: TLC +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 169 to Virgin UK Channel 172.
Oct. 1st: ID +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 171 to Virgin UK Channel 173.
Oct. 1st: Sky Witness +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 140 to Virgin UK Channel 180.
Oct. 1st: Universal TV +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 138 to Virgin UK Channel 206.
Oct. 1st: Quest +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 173 to Virgin UK Channel 213.
Oct. 1st: SYFY +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 136 to Virgin UK Channel 229.
Oct. 1st: Challenge +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 180 to Virgin UK Channel 230.
Oct. 1st: Animal Planet HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 256 to Virgin UK Channel 251.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Science has moved from Virgin UK Channel 259 to Virgin UK Channel 252.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Turbo has moved from Virgin UK Channel 261 to Virgin UK Channel 256.
Oct. 1st: Discovery History has moved from Virgin UK Channel 262 to Virgin UK Channel 257.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Channel +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 252 to Virgin UK Channel 258.
Oct. 1st: Animal Planet +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 258 to Virgin UK Channel 259.
Oct. 1st: Discovery History +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 263 to Virgin UK Channel 261.
Oct. 1st: Food Network has moved from Virgin UK Channel 291 to Virgin UK Channel 278.
Oct. 1st: Home has moved from Virgin UK Channel 281 to Virgin UK Channel 279.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Home & Health has moved from Virgin UK Channel 284 to Virgin UK Channel 280.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Shed has moved from Virgin UK Channel 286 to Virgin UK Channel 281.
Oct. 1st: Travel Channel has moved from Virgin UK Channel 292 to Virgin UK Channel 282.
Oct. 1st: Home +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 282 to Virgin UK Channel 283.
Oct. 1st: Discovery Home & Health +1 has moved from Virgin UK Channel 285 to Virgin UK Channel 284.
Oct. 1st: Sky News HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 603 to Virgin UK Channel 602.
Oct. 1st: Sky News has moved from Virgin UK Channel 602 to Virgin UK Channel 603.
Sep. 26th: TLC HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 168 to Virgin UK Channel 167.
Sep. 26th: Quest HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 217 to Virgin UK Channel 172.
Sep. 26th: Discovery Channel HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 257 to Virgin UK Channel 256.
Sep. 26th: Animal Planet HD has moved from Virgin UK Channel 251 to Virgin UK Channel 250.
Sep. 16th: Alibi HD moved from Virgin UK Channel 226 to Virgin UK Channel 212.


Last Warner Media new channel deal was signed in 2012 when than called TCM HD, TCM2 and Cartoon Network HD did launch on Virgin in January 2013.

At time of posting Virgin are missing a following Warner Bros. Discovery own channels:

*Boomerang HD
*Cartoonito HD - Channel broadcast on all non Sky Q brands.
*CNN International
*CNN International HD
*Discovery Turbo +1
*Food Network +1
*Quest Red +1

epsilon 19-10-2022 19:06

Re: CNN
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36137592)
I feel CNN may reappear on Virgin when Virgin sign a new deal with WBD.

Anything is possible but we don't know the actual reason why CNN+ was shuttered and what plans the merged entity has to include it in their packages. WBD, on the whole, gives the impression of a boat without a rudder at the moment.


As for the HD versions of the kids channels landing on Virgin, I've already said on another forum that viewers would probably be better ditching the kids pack and using the money saved to fund one of the many reduced price NOW subscriptions that forum members keep mentioning. With NOW the kids channels are thrown in with the entertainment pack and with BOOST (again, discounts are available) are in HD. And with Sky Atlantic and Peacock thrown in as a bonus. ;)


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