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I know this but that won't stop some will it? We're already seeing suggestions people will be obliged or recommended to self isolate.


We had similar in early 2020, they were telling people with cough/fever to isolate, then they said they were going to shield elderly people and tell them not to go out for 12 weeks, then they started telling people to WFH...


Even then covid didn't really have that much of a fatality rate - especially when you count the number of people who presumably had it without realising, either because they had no symptoms or they were so minimal, the case fatality rate is clearly much lower than quoted, so actually the issues with covid were less than quoted - but still, pretty high at certain times.


It's a known virus, most people have immunity, they just need to slow it a bit.

Well, 85% effective isn't really that high, it does mean that 15% will not have any benefit at all from it, which isn't too bad in small numbers, but in higher ones...

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Only 15% hahahahaha

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It is. You need close person to person contact to catch it, transmission is usually sexual. Symptoms are mild and most people recover quickly. It has a 3% fatality rate, but that is based on the outcomes in African nations not European ones with better healthcare. Common anti-virals can treat it and if absolutely necessary the Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against it.

So I am not in the least bit concerned about it.

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It's the 21 days quarantine that may make some decide to risk it.

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BREAKING: MonkeyPox cases in the UK rises to 56 according to UK Health Security Agency announces.

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Sadly I know people that won't care, armed police outside their home wouldn't stop them,

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BREAKING: MonkeyPox cases in UK rises to 71 according to UKHSA.

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I couldn't give a shit about their poxy monkeypox, :D we'll soon be getting locked up for hayfever outbreaks!

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NEW: MonkeyPox cases in UK rises to 90 according to UKHSA.

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Too many cases for it to be mainly down to contact with animals.

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It’s not and no one has ever claimed that.

It seems to have come from Africa and spread at a couple of raves in Europe, mainly amongst gay men.

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So Mick didn't post this in post#15?
If catching from someone is difficult, just think what the number of current cases would be, if it wasn't difficult to catch. If eg only 1 in 100 people pass it on(I don't know the real figure, perhaps nobody does), and 90 cases are in the UK, then that would suggest around 9,000 cases already out there. If instead, the 90 all knew each other, it should take a large number of "interactions" for that number of people to become infected from one another.
Perhaps there is a previously unidentified method of transmission that isn't very difficult.

Re: MonkeyPox
 

Scaremongering again by the media, OK cases are rising but associated to a sub-groupe alledgedly. I will not judge anyone in that respect.
It's also (at least partially alledged) that those of us who had the smallpox vaccination will have some protecion.

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As per, you get the wrong end of the stick and proceed to beat yourself soundly with it.

Nuance is always important, but sadly it’s what you most often seem to miss. A couple of things I’ve noted as I’ve read through this thread:

1. 85% effectiveness is extremely good for any vaccine. You have no room to argue here, least of all on the basis that the number just doesn’t look good enough to you. I would have hoped we would all have learned at least this much over the past 2 years.

2. Again, with regards to nuance: Mick and Pierre are not contradicting one another, they are expressing different aspects of the problem. Monkey pox does not readily transmit from human to human and when a case is identified, good diagnostic practice would be to check for contact with infected animals first. Where it does transmit from human to human, close contact is required, and even then it doesn’t transmit easily.

3. This leads to the shibboleth surrounding this issue. Given the stigma around AIDS in the 1980s I can understand why our public health officials have been reluctant to say this aloud, but for monkeypox to transmit most readily from human to human it requires intimate contact. For it to transmit readily through a significant number of people, that is likely to be promiscuous sexual contact. Gay raves in Europe is an entirely plausible theory, though again I understand why officials are unlikely ever to say this aloud and will instead focus on highly targeted messaging to bring the outbreak under control.

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I'm not sure on point 3 based on reading this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45665821

specifically

'Are gay men at greater risk?
Although some of the cases have been seen in gay and bisexual men, anyone who comes into close contact with someone who has monkeypox could potentially get the virus.

The UK Health Security Agency has said "a notable proportion" of the recent cases in the UK and Europe have been found in gay and bisexual men "so we are particularly encouraging them to be alert to the symptoms and seek help if concerned".'

in terms of transmission

'Monkeypox can be spread when someone is in close contact with an infected person. The virus can enter the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract or through the eyes, nose or mouth.

It has not previously been described as a sexually transmitted infection, but it can be passed on by direct contact during sex.

It can also be spread by contact with infected animals such as monkeys, rats and squirrels, or by virus-contaminated objects, such as bedding and clothing.'