Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

I hope he reported his cards stolen with the bank and reported to police as soon as he found out, I'm sure some money will have left his account with contactless.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

Troll (and his ridiculous comments) removed from topic.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

Anonymouse obviously did not understan the PTP system which is quite clear that payment must be made on the train or at the destination if available.

That does not mean the following day, next week or whatever.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

"at the first opportunity" is a very vague term - and could quite easily mean the following day, or even days depending on other factors.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

A PTP states quite cearly that the fare must be paid at the first opportunity.
Not the next day or two.
"Revenue officer or booking office is not vague". Bolton station has a booking office and the guy at the gate questioning him would be a revenue officer. He is there to make sure anyone exiting the station has paid their correct fare if there is a problem at the gates. If there are no gates then if staff are deployed to inspect tickets before anyone exits what are they other than revenue officers?

Happened regularly when I used to use Bolton station back in the early 20's don't see why it should be any different now.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

So ... to repeat .....

"at the first opportunity" is a very vague term - and could quite easily mean the following day, or even days depending on other factors.

and where did I (or anyone) say it was ?

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

I suppose the key point (yes it's vague anyway) is what the first opportunity is. Given that the notices are for people who can't pay the fare at the time via credit or debit card, then this almost presumes that anyone with that notice can make a cash payment at the station when they get off, which assumes a fair amount. If you get on a train at a station where the ticket machines don't take cash and you don't have a card with you then they have to do something about that and logically a ticket which says you'll pay later is it. So there the next opportunity would be when you get off presuming this is a station which takes cash payments. But if you don't have any means of payment on you, but do at home, the next opportunity to pay would be if you can get home to your cards there and then either pay online or return to the station to make payment. I suppose it depends on what it actually says onsite because the site is vague as to whether or not you're permitted to do that.


If you have the same means to make payment when getting off the train as you do when getting on (e.g. no cards or cash) but can do later, then that isn't an opportunity.



And there's also a huge difference between someone who travels without a valid ticket with the full intention of paying up later, and someone who isn't intending to.

Re: I've heard some stupid questions, but...
 

But the rules say "get a PTP before you get on the train".