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Hugh 06-10-2021 19:25

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Perhaps lack of investment, be it private or state, is the issue?

Most European counties treat rail travel as a utility, in that good rail transport benefits the consumers and the country, so is worth subsidising.

Carth 06-10-2021 23:53

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Lots of investment in HS2 . . . possibly the priorities are wrong?

Chris 07-10-2021 00:07

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36096214)
Lots of investment in HS2 . . . possibly the priorities are wrong?

No, for once the priority is right, though arguably it should have been built the other way round, so as to improve connectivity in central and northern England before connecting it back to London.

All the complaining about it is just classic British short termism, typified by the argument that the money should have been spent on further capacity for the west coast main line - this might have been quicker and cheaper but it wouldn’t have delivered the step-change required.

Electrically powered mass transit by air is still a very distant prospect, so investing in rapid electric rail is essential if we are going to want to maintain the ability to travel about without loading shedloads of co2 into the atmosphere.

pip08456 07-10-2021 01:17

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36096217)
No, for once the priority is right, though arguably it should have been built the other way round, so as to improve connectivity in central and northern England before connecting it back to London.

All the complaining about it is just classic British short termism, typified by the argument that the money should have been spent on further capacity for the west coast main line - this might have been quicker and cheaper but it wouldn’t have delivered the step-change required.

Electrically powered mass transit by air is still a very distant prospect, so investing in rapid electric rail is essential if we are going to want to maintain the ability to travel about without loading shedloads of co2 into the atmosphere.

So we need more nuclear power for when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

Hugh 07-10-2021 01:19

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36096229)
So we need more nuclear power for when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

I agree - we need a mix.

pip08456 07-10-2021 02:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36096232)
I agree - we need a mix.

Of course we do, it's common sense. That is in short supply atm though.

1andrew1 07-10-2021 10:09

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36096229)
So we need more nuclear power for when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

More urgently, we need storage for gas and electricity. But that's another discussion. ;)

pip08456 07-10-2021 10:18

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Storage for electricity would cost not billions but trillions. Shale gas would have put us in a better position.

Have a listen to this.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status...16664961699840

OLD BOY 07-10-2021 15:26

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Ultimately, nuclear fusion seems to be the answer, but that is still some years away yet.

pip08456 07-10-2021 17:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096350)
Ultimately, nuclear fusion seems to be the answer, but that is still some years away yet.

That does not mean nuclear fission is not an alternative to gas generation of electricity.


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