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Pierre

20-09-2021 14:40

Re: UK carbon dioxide shortage could ‘cancel Christmas’, warns turkey supplier

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093778)

We're in a slightly worse situation than Germany as our inter-connector with France is damaged with only 50% capacity until Spring next year. I appreciate this is for electricity but it impacts on the energy market.

That would be a major issue if we were wholly dependent on the IFA but we have 4no. other interconnectors to Norway, Denmark, Belgium & Holland.

Diversity and protection of supply.

Hopefully they will also be able to get one to Iceland in the future and tap into all their Thermal energy.

Mick	20-09-2021 14:40

Re: UK carbon dioxide shortage could ‘cancel Christmas’, warns turkey supplier

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Carth

20-09-2021 14:42

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Both probably . . CO2 to kill them, then CO2 refrigerant for transport to supermarkets

Taf	20-09-2021 14:43

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

It is commonly used to euthanise male chicks, but more humane CO2 is now used to put them to sleep before they are hung upside down, and electrically killed.

Mr K	20-09-2021 15:30

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093795)

Both probably . . CO2 to kill them, then CO2 refrigerant for transport to supermarkets

Yum yum !

Myself and fellow veggie Mick can sleep easy ;)

Meanwhile loads of fresh produce from my allotment atm . I'm self sufficient in courgettes for a few decades...

See the light folks, for your own health and the planets.
..

Halcyon

20-09-2021 15:47

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 15:51

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

I hear Mr K mumbling something about the carbon footprint of extracting oxygen from somewhere.

Didn't know Mick was a veggie. Sort of out of character!

1andrew1

20-09-2021 15:55

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093808)

I hear Mr K mumbling something about the carbon footprint of extracting oxygen from somewhere.

Didn't know Mick was a veggie. Sort of out of character!

Are the days of veggies being woke lefty hippies and carnivores beer-swilling furious Farage fans behind us?

Chris

20-09-2021 16:10

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

“Modified atmosphere packaging” is intended primarily to improve shelf life, rather than cosmetic appearance. I believe different concentrations of gases are used depending on the product they are packaging.

RichardCoulter

20-09-2021 17:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093761)

Sky News provides a list of reasons as to why energy prices are higher and Brexit was not amongst them.
https://news.sky.com/story/whats-beh...ustry-12410497

I can only assume that Mr K was recalling Johnson's promise to cut VAT on energy prices if we left the EU.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/121870...s-back-brexit/

Bit rich for him to come out with all that when it was a Tory Government that put VAT on fuel back in the early nineties (in order to subsidise and keep down the unpopular Poll Tax/Community Charge).

It started at 8% and was due to go up to the full rate. The incoming Labour Government scrapped the planned rise and reduced it to 5%. When asked why they hadn't scrapped it completely, they said that they weren't able to scrap it entirely once it had been introduced due to EU rules.

Now that we've left the EU, it would be possible to scrap it if any present or future Government is/was minded to.

I remember all this as my accountant advised me to pay as much as I could afford in advance in order to delay having to pay VAT on fuel. I did so as there weren't any bank accounts paying 8% at the time

This loophole worked as long as there was no change of address

Hom3r

20-09-2021 18:28

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

No they use CO2 or Nitrogen as this preserves the items longer.

---------- Post added at 17:28 ---------- Previous post was at 17:27 ----------

I know that Nitrogen is used in crisps

Paul	20-09-2021 19:44

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How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 19:53

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

1. Freeze it;

2. Chisel out a very big hammer;

3. Apply said hammer with force to the animal's head.

Hugh	20-09-2021 20:15

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Slowly…

https://www.poultryworld.net/Health/...rest-2766995W/

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The Marel Stork system gently unloads the broilers onto a trampoline-like belt which transports them to the stunning system. Then they are exposed to less than 40% CO2 for one minute after which the CO2 level is slowly built up to a higher percentage. At Meyn Food in terms of stunning mechanism the same process is applied, only in that case the chicks go, along with the transport container, in the stunning device in which the CO2 concentration is built up gradually in more steps.” One minute of 40% CO2 is, according to the senior researcher, enough to stun the animals, which is fully evidenced by extensive scientific research. According to Gerritzen, it is very important that the CO2 percentage is built up slowly. “Otherwise the product quality loss will be too high due to rapid muscle convulsions.”

Pierre

21-09-2021 00:16

Re: UK carbon dioxide shortage could ‘cancel Christmas’, warns turkey supplier

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Wait for 50,000 years and maybe they may sweat to death.

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