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Paul	31-01-2020 15:24

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

You could greatly improve the road system for £100bn ... even build that fabled east coast motorway.

Hugh	31-01-2020 15:50

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36024028)

Transportation doesn't yet(although give it time) on a quota system. You don't turn up and get sent to Cleethorpes(or wherever) because not enough people have gone there this week.

North of Watford Gap has it's own separate rail proposals, Northern Powerhouse and Midlands Engine. In that sense more northern areas are benefiting.
London is the only listed place south of Watford Gap.

Thameslink, Crossrail, East West Rail, and Crossrail2 are fairly major infrastructure projects...

Thameslink - Thameslink Programme is an ambitious 10-year programme of extensive infrastructure enhancements and the delivery of 115 new trains that will bring faster, more frequent, more reliable, better connected journeys for passengers – transforming north-south travel through London.

Crossrail - The Elizabeth line will link Reading and Heathrow in the west with Shenfield and Abbey Wood in the east, via new 21km tunnels under central London

Crossrail2 - A number of options are being considered for Crossrail 2. These include a major new tunnel across London from Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, with an option to connect to existing rail networks between south west and north east London. This would create routes from stations such as Kingston and Surbiton through central London to Tottenham Hale and beyond. Crossrail 2 would serve London Victoria station and the proposed new high-speed terminal at London Euston.

East West Rail - The East West Rail scheme will re-establish a rail link between Cambridge and Oxford to improve connections between East Anglia and central, southern and western England.

nomadking

31-01-2020 16:00

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024039)

The East-West Rail scheme is completely new. It highlights there isn't much connection between those areas at the moment. To travel from Oxford to Cambridge by train you would probably have to go via London. Other routes involving Coventry might be possible.

The HS2 system is about longer journeys. In the London area there is a huge demand for local commuter travel. That needs addressing. It's not spending just for the sake of spending. The demand is undeniably there.

papa smurf

31-01-2020 16:22

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024032)

You could greatly improve the road system for £100bn ... even build that fabled east coast motorway.

That would get my vote,Lincolnshire is tractor central and full of trucks doing 40mph.

Stuart

31-01-2020 17:16

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024017)

investment in local services all over the UK,not a line that gets a few people to London 15 mins quicker.

This is essentially what a comedian on the BBC's The News Quiz said. He said yes HS2 would get people to the North faster, but that's not the problem. It's getting around the North using public transport that is.

I don't have extensive experience of the public transport around the UK, but I've got family in the Midlands and the North. Whenever I visit them, I find it noticeably harder to get public transport to actually get to them (I can't drive), and usually end up getting a cab. Get off the train near most London stations and it's likely the longest you'll have to wait for a bus is 20 minutes.

Obviously, I haven't seen all the figures for HS2, but from what I have seen, I don't think the scheme has been justified. Maybe it will help by reducing congestion on existing tracks and services. I actually think it's likely because whenever I've been to chester, if the service goes via Birmingham, a lot of people get on or off..

Chris

10-02-2020 23:39

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

HS2 to be built in its entirety, Boris to announce

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51443421

Maggy

11-02-2020 10:05

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

Anyone want to open a book on how much the costs and timeline will soar?

denphone

11-02-2020 10:13

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36024619)

Anyone want to open a book on how much the costs and timeline will soar?

l will open a book as there is good money to be had.;)

papa smurf

11-02-2020 10:14

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36024619)

Anyone want to open a book on how much the costs and timeline will soar?

The cost will double,as for time,how long is a piece of string?

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36024622)

l will open a book as there is good money to be had.;)

Good money thrown away with this folly:(

Mr K	11-02-2020 11:16

Re: Review “strongly advises” not to can HS2

chronic waste of money that could cripple this country for decades. So many better uses, social care, the NHS, foodbanks, the crumbling branch lines in the North, flood and coastal defence. Seems more like a trophy piece, for a spoilt rich boys train set.

Pierre

11-02-2020 17:44

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024629)

chronic waste of money that could cripple this country for decades. So many better uses

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social care,

personal and family responsibility.

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the NHS

bottomless pit that needs reform, you could put in the amount HS2 would cost every year and it would still need more the way is it currently run.

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foodbanks,

. Jobs, and investment creating more jobs. Investment in Birmingham was already on the up. Certainty will now accelerate that. People need jobs not handouts.

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the crumbling branch lines in the North

is part of the deal.

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flood and coastal defence.

already been 30million spent in the Calder Valley and that did great at the weekend. This whole area needs a rethink.

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Seems more like a trophy piece, for a spoilt rich boys train set.

It seems to a Labour way of thinking to invest in large capital projects that improve the nations connectivity.

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At this time, there was general political support for new motorways, although there were occasional protests about individual schemes. This situation continued into the 1970s (Figure 14), by which time the Labour Party, initially in London and subsequently nationally, became increasingly hostile to major road schemes.

https://trl.co.uk/sites/default/file...0go%20next.pdf

Paul	11-02-2020 19:23

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Government pledges £5bn for bus services and cycling routes.

Great, more money wasted on schemes to delay everyone. :rolleyes:

Improve the bloody roads you muppets. :dozey:

Damien

11-02-2020 19:35

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Buses are important for people who can't drive.

denphone

11-02-2020 20:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36024651)

Buses are important for people who can't drive.

And quite a few services have been cut these past few years.

Pierre

11-02-2020 22:28

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36024032)

You could greatly improve the road system for £100bn ... even build that fabled east coast motorway.

Isn’t that the A1?

Apart from a few small sections when you get to Alnwick and Berwick, it’s all Dual Carriageway. And they made it proper motorway from Leeds to Scotch Corner, plus remove all the roundabouts.

I don’t think there can be many complaints on the investment on the A1.

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