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heero_yuy 01-03-2019 17:47
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Quote from Damien:


Fine but if it only contained the information of a passport? I.E No biometrics.
You might want to include no RFID so you can't be tracked by the state.:erm:

nomadking 01-03-2019 18:08
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A little while ago there was a TV series on BBC1 about council housing fraud. Multiple instances of people who shouldn't have been in the country. They did find one case of a white person being involved in something.

RichardCoulter 01-03-2019 18:30
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35984898)
Fine but if it only contained the information of a passport? I.E No biometrics.

Or no ID card at all but then we should be more relaxed about how often we require proof of citizenship. But not formalising the concept/process whilst demanding it is going to cause problems for some people.
It's going to get worse as we move more online. A bank recently needed my ID, they asked for an electric or gas bill and my passport. My passport is out of date, so they wouldn't accept it and my utility bills are all done online.

In the end my water rates and council tax bills sufficed, but how long before these go online only?

Taf 01-03-2019 18:35
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But for work in the UK...

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Employers are required to keep a photocopy of the passports of all employees proving right to work in the UK for the whole time the person is in their employment and for 2 years after they leave. The Border Agency can ask to see it and if the employer cannot produce it they could be prosecuted.
https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work

Hugh 01-03-2019 18:48
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984904)
It's going to get worse as we move more online. A bank recently needed my ID, they asked for an electric or gas bill and my passport. My passport is out of date, so they wouldn't accept it and my utility bills are all done online.

In the end my water rates and council tax bills sufficed, but how long before these go online only?
These can be printed of as PDFs, which are usually acceptable.

I use any letter from HMRC, which also has your NI number as well for additional proof - most people get one or two of these a year.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35984908)
But for work in the UK...
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Employers are required to keep a photocopy of the passports of all employees proving right to work in the UK for the whole time the person is in their employment and for 2 years after they leave. The Border Agency can ask to see it and if the employer cannot produce it they could be prosecuted.
https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work
Most organisations ask for this at interview stage.

Angua 01-03-2019 18:52
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984904)
It's going to get worse as we move more online. A bank recently needed my ID, they asked for an electric or gas bill and my passport. My passport is out of date, so they wouldn't accept it and my utility bills are all done online.

In the end my water rates and council tax bills sufficed, but how long before these go online only?
Imagine the hurdles someone with LD has to jump through when they leave home and go into supported accommodation. The only ID they may have is their ESA or PIP claim.

The move to on-line forms and claims then has to be sure to work with GDPR rules. Even more of a nightmare.

nomadking 01-03-2019 19:03
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The underlying problem is that this country has been allowed to become a cesspool of people who constantly take the proverbial and anything else they can get their hands on. Just look at the staggering amount of fraud surrounding Grenfell.


Over 30 years ago, when I had to move away from home, it was all done in a day. Saw advert on a Saturday morning in the local press for a bedsit in a nearby town, rang up, travelled there by bus, agreed everything, travelled back, arranged a taxi to take me and my stuff there, all in about 8 hours.

RichardCoulter 01-03-2019 19:20
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35984912)
Imagine the hurdles someone with LD has to jump through when they leave home and go into supported accommodation. The only ID they may have is their ESA or PIP claim.

The move to on-line forms and claims then has to be sure to work with GDPR rules. Even more of a nightmare.
True and to claim the benefits themselves now requires proof of identity and NI number (the system has a verified/not verified field that shows the status of the claimants details).

Taf 01-03-2019 19:55
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Our twins have dual nationality, so opening bank accounts for their ESA / DLA / PIP to be paid into was a nightmare.

No UK passports, just French ID's. 2 banks refused to accept them. No utility bills as they live with us. No previous bank accounts. NI cards, Birth Certificates and letters from ESA / DLA / PIP eventually did the trick at the third bank. But they still wanted letters from the French Consulate in London validating their status. And those letters weren't cheap to get hold of!

So why has a judge ruled against immigration status checks for renting homes? From ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

Damien 01-03-2019 20:48
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35984918)
Our twins have dual nationality, so opening bank accounts for their ESA / DLA / PIP to be paid into was a nightmare.

No UK passports, just French ID's. 2 banks refused to accept them. No utility bills as they live with us. No previous bank accounts. NI cards, Birth Certificates and letters from ESA / DLA / PIP eventually did the trick at the third bank. But they still wanted letters from the French Consulate in London validating their status. And those letters weren't cheap to get hold of!

So why has a judge ruled against immigration status checks for renting homes? From ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
They haven't. They've ruled against doing it all. You've just pointed out the problems with having to always have to prove who you are all the time.

pip08456 01-03-2019 21:24
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35984918)
Our twins have dual nationality, so opening bank accounts for their ESA / DLA / PIP to be paid into was a nightmare.

No UK passports, just French ID's. 2 banks refused to accept them. No utility bills as they live with us. No previous bank accounts. NI cards, Birth Certificates and letters from ESA / DLA / PIP eventually did the trick at the third bank. But they still wanted letters from the French Consulate in London validating their status. And those letters weren't cheap to get hold of!

So why has a judge ruled against immigration status checks for renting homes? From ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
The judge has ruled against this.

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The "right to rent" scheme, which requires landlords to check the immigration status of tenants, was introduced in England in 2016.
Different kettle of fish Taf.

Maggy 01-03-2019 23:44
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35984924)
They haven't. They've ruled against doing it all. You've just pointed out the problems with having to always have to prove who you are all the time.
:tu: Good job I have my birth certificate issued in the British Colony of Nigeria in 1952 to prove I have the right to call myself a British citizen. I've heard of one chap also born in Nigeria at the same time period who has lost his certificate and as a consequence is under threat of being deported.

When I started working for an agency that provided supply teachers I had to provide all of this documentation to prove that I wasn't an illegal immigrant after being in this country without question for over 50 years.

mrmistoffelees 02-03-2019 08:52
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Companies are now rechecking right to work in the UK ahead of you know what.....

1andrew1 03-03-2019 12:35
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35984965)
Companies are now rechecking right to work in the UK ahead of you know what.....
Pancake Day? :D

Hugh 03-03-2019 14:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35985077)
Pancake Day? :D
If the Government made pancakes the way they’ve handled Brexit, we’d end up with a glass of milk, scrambled eggs, and some plain flour left over...

Breakfast means breakfast ;)


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