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nomadking 02-01-2019 18:51
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2014
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Muslims represent only 4.7 per cent of the population in England and Wales, according to the most recent Census, yet one in seven prisoners (14 per cent) in England and Wales is a Muslim, according to the statistics.
In some jails the proportion of Islamic inmates is more than one-third, and in Whitemoor, a Category A prison in Cambridgeshire, it is as high as 43 per cent.
The Muslim prison population has increased from 5,502 (7.7 per cent) in 2002 to 11,729 in 2013 (14 per cent) and is set to continue rising rapidly because of the large numbers of Muslim teenagers in youth jails.
Muslim Council of Britain report
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MoMore up-to-date data on the prison population
is available from the Ministry of Justice. These
indicate that there were 86,067 people in
prison in England and Wales as of July 2013,
approximately 0.15% of the overall population.
Muslims account for 4.8% of the overall
population and 13% of the prison population
in England and Wales (including both British
and non-British nationals).
Don't know the exact figures, but is is obvious that the biggest group committing these type of (supposedly) motiveless attacks are Muslims.

jfman 02-01-2019 19:10
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Black people account for about 3% of the population and 12% of the prisoner population. I'd say it's far too simplistic to jump to the racist conclusions we've seen elsewhere in the thread.

nomadking 02-01-2019 19:28
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Footage of the aftermath of the attack showed a man being held down by five police officers, with blood stains on the pavement. Another video showed the suspect shouting “Allahu Akbar” as he was put in the back of a police van. He was also heard screaming “long live the caliphate”.
So nothing to do with Islam?:confused:

jfman 02-01-2019 19:39
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35977639)
So nothing to do with Islam?:confused:
This incident probably is.

Without knowing the crimes that the rest of the Muslim prison population are in for it's impossible to extrapolate that sample of one to the rest.

I'd be more interested in why all ethnic groups are over-represented in the prison population, except the Chinese.

RichardCoulter 02-01-2019 19:42
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35977625)
People of all colours and creed are guilty of horrific offences such as you describe

Your post is a very poor attempt at racist, bigotry.
Of course, but we are talking about an attack where the usual cries of 'Allah' were made. How on Earth could a post about muslims be racist? People of allsorts of races are muslim.

Three people were stabbed, no concern for them has been shown. It was a shocking attack, no condemnation has been made. Just the usual types trying to collect PC brownie points and turn it into a race issue.

This is how we got ourselves into these type of situations in the first place. Cries of "racism" no longer work to silence valid criticism of the conduct of various communities.

nomadking 02-01-2019 19:54
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35977640)
This incident probably is.

Without knowing the crimes that the rest of the Muslim prison population are in for it's impossible to extrapolate that sample of one to the rest.

I'd be more interested in why all ethnic groups are over-represented in the prison population, except the Chinese.
Well it's not unpaid council tax.
2016.

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One in five inmates serving sentences in Britain's maximum security jails are Muslim, figures show.

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The number of Muslims in prison for drug offences in England and Wales has jumped by 63 per cent over seven years, rising from 2,089 in 2010 to 3,406 in 2017, according to figures obtained by The Independent using Freedom of Information laws.
Over the same period, the number of non-Muslims in prison for drug offences has declined by more than 10 per cent.

More than a quarter of all Muslims currently in prison have been incarcerated because of drug offences, compared to 13 per cent of all non-Muslim prisoners.

RichardCoulter 02-01-2019 20:01
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Of course, all non white inmates are in prison despite being innocent.

We're all nasty horrible racists who put non white black folk in prison for absolutely nothing, with no evidence required or the usual balances and checks of the usual judicial process :rolleyes:

Rather than accepting that they either commit more crime or are less able to take steps to get away with it, the "it's because they're black" mantra is continually bleated by the continually virtue signalling professional anti racists types. This helps nobody.

richard s 02-01-2019 20:03
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God is Great not for you my old sun shine.. your god denounces you.

Mythica 02-01-2019 20:11
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35977641)
Of course, but we are talking about an attack where the usual cries of 'Allah' were made. How on Earth could a post about muslims be racist? People of allsorts of races are muslim.

Three people were stabbed, no concern for them has been shown. It was a shocking attack, no condemnation has been made. Just the usual types trying to collect PC brownie points and turn it into a race issue.

This is how we got ourselves into these type of situations in the first place. Cries of "racism" no longer work to silence valid criticism of the conduct of various communities.
Yet you bought child sex abuse into it for some reason. Surely you turned it into a race issue by mentioning what you did.

jfman 02-01-2019 20:15
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Nobody is saying they are innocent. It's a leap to say that they are all in for terror related offences or grooming gangs.

Drug offences is interesting though. It'd be interesting to compare conviction rates and sentencing. Is a white person more likely to get a non-custodial sentence?

nomadking 02-01-2019 20:19
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35977647)
Nobody is saying they are innocent. It's a leap to say that they are all in for terror related offences or grooming gangs.

Drug offences is interesting though. It'd be interesting to compare conviction rates and sentencing. Is a white person more likely to get a non-custodial sentence?
Quote:
The latest statistics have been obtained in the wake of several high-profile police operations targeting drug gangs that come from Islamic backgrounds

mrmistoffelees 02-01-2019 20:22
Re: Manchester Victoria station knife attacks.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35977641)
Of course, but we are talking about an attack where the usual cries of 'Allah' were made. How on Earth could a post about muslims be racist? People of allsorts of races are muslim.

Three people were stabbed, no concern for them has been shown. It was a shocking attack, no condemnation has been made. Just the usual types trying to collect PC brownie points and turn it into a race issue.

This is how we got ourselves into these type of situations in the first place. Cries of "racism" no longer work to silence valid criticism of the conduct of various communities.
Sorry, racist was the wrong word to have used. I'll stick however with bigoted.

This was also a shocking attack https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ted-terrorism/ i note you yourself don't offer condemnation? I wonder why? Well, the answer is clear, Because it's obvious that we're all appalled by the abhorrent attacks such as the one you're posting with regards too and the one I've just linked too.

Finally, my cries are aimed at the almost Mesozoic era levels of ignorance shown by sections of society, Happily however the dinosaurs died out, One can only hope these attitudes and the people who foster them follow suit.

Hugh 02-01-2019 20:23
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35977647)
Nobody is saying they are innocent. It's a leap to say that they are all in for terror related offences or grooming gangs.

Drug offences is interesting though. It'd be interesting to compare conviction rates and sentencing. Is a white person more likely to get a non-custodial sentence?
Government statistics

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....ntences/latest
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The main facts and figures show that:

from 2009 to 2017, the average length of custodial sentences given to offenders increased for all ethnic groups

in every year during the same period, White offenders were given the shortest custodial sentences on average, and Asian or Black offenders were given the longest

in 2017, among all age and ethnic groups, White juvenile offenders (aged under 18 years) were given the shortest custodial sentences on average (at 17 months), as well as those from the Other (including Chinese) group (at 13 months)

among female offenders, Asian offenders and those from the Other (including Chinese) group were given the longest average custodial sentences compared with all other ethnic groups
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Summary
This data shows that:

on average, White offenders were given the shortest custodial sentences every year from 2009 to 2017, compared with all other ethnic groups

in 2017, Asian and Black offenders were given the longest sentences on average, at 27 and 26 months respectively

the average custodial sentence length increased for all ethnic groups between 2009 and 2017 – the biggest increase was for Asian offenders (from 19 to 27 months)

in 2017, the difference in the average custodial sentence length between Asian and White offenders was 9 months

jfman 02-01-2019 20:27
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35977648)
The latest statistics have been obtained in the wake of several high-profile police operations targeting drug gangs that come from Islamic backgrounds
Well, if you target one group you would hope that convictions go up!

mrmistoffelees 02-01-2019 20:34
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https://assets.publishing.service.go...nfographic.pdf in a nice infographic


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