Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

That will never be touched... too many beneficiaries in and around government.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

I have actually answered your question but compiling a list would take too much of my valuable time. I am amazed that you think the government spends the money they collect from you well, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

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That’s easy to say. Just to remind you, the government is trying to prevent fraud at all levels.

Some on here have an aversion to talking about those without great wealth screwing the benefits system. The truth is, all fraud has to be tackled.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

That's a side step. He's not asking for a full list just a couple would do..:erm:

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

Well.... firstly, stop throwing around insults - at no point did I say I believe that the government is spending all its money wisely. I even said "I agree that there is massive waste, and poor budgeting within government organisations." - implying that I am ignorant simply because I'm asking for your opinion seems a little asinine.

Secondly, you've still not given an example of what you think is non essential - all you've done is reply with a tautologous statement :"Non essential simply means not spending on things the country doesn't need."

Thirdly, I'm not asking for a list, I'm asking for a couple of items - you listed foreign aid as one, I'm asking for 2 or 3 more items; not a fully documented alphabetised list, with references. I'm asking for your opinion. Surely you can spare some of your valuable time to give your opinion.

Fourthly, I think you're confusing 'non essential' with 'poor budgeting' & 'wasteful spending' - non essential is spending money on things that are not considered to be 'needed' - like foreign aid in your example - poor budgeting and wasteful spending would be things like spending £60 on a ream of paper from one supplier that would cost £15 if they purchased from Amazon - which is a documented example of how badly their budgets are managed.

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^^^ wot she said :)

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

no, he's offering him a shovel to dig himself into a hole :D

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

No, it's not a side step. If he really wanted to know, he could have Googled it. Had I got into the politics of it, that would have started another argument outside the scope of this thread.

I guess that if people genuinely are clamouring for me to answer, I could do worse than drawing to a pretty big list on the Taxpayers' Alliance website.

This is one of their offerings from 2014, but you will get the idea. I'm sure I could find you a better one, but I'm running out of time tonight.


https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/ne...teful_spending

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

.... surely what I wanted was your opinion. If I wanted to read someone else's opinion, I'd would have (and have) googled it.
I also note that foreign aid isn't on that list.....
You seem to be looking for issues where there are none. All I wanted to know what you thought of as non essential spending.... but if you don't want to give your opinion, fine... <shrugs/>

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

It MAY be trying to prevent fraud, but its not fraud if it's legal.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

You wanted some more examples. There are many on the list I linked to, most of which I agree with. Take your pick. Why do you want my opinion about what I think should be cut?

Make up your own mind, you don't need my permission to form an opinion on whether there are many opportunities to reduce waste. The evidence is before you. You choose what looks like unnecessary levels of expenditure. I would be interested in your view!

All I'm saying is that the knee-jerk reaction to increase taxes to fund the NHS betrays rather a lack of backbone and imagination.

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Agreed, and I think we all know that.

I would certainly have no objection to tax perks allowed by the government to be outlawed. I'm not defending that.

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No hole here, mate. Are you sure you are standing on solid ground? :D

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

It's called having a discussion; that's generally how these things work. We can all post links and say read that, take some of it, and that's my opinion.
I was asking what you thought, but clearly you seem to have some issue sharing it. Fine, whatever - if you don't have the ability/desire to express your opinion, up to you; but you shouldn't be surprised when people ask for it when you seem happy to comment on things.

Gee thanks. I'm glad I don't need you permission to form an opinion, I might have faced difficulties in life without your condescending advice otherwise. Guess it makes a change from the insults.
I've already made up my mind. Again, as mentioned many, many times in this thread, I was asking for your view point, something you've failed to do, again and again.

I've already given you my view. My view is my view, which has been given, and that is my view.

That also pretty much echoes your entire input to this conversation, nothing more than pointless tautologous statements, with no actual content.
Let me know when you actually have something of value to add to this conversation, if you can fit it into your busy schedule

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

I don’t know where you think you are going with this. I pretty well agree with what the Taxpayers’ Alliance is saying. That is my opinion.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

Still waiting for your examples.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

You won't get it as its more the straw man approach rather then the real facts approach l generally find.

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

I'm not going anywhere, I'm just asking for your opinion - pointing me to a website and saying I agree with most of that (and where the very first example/opinion you gave isn't on the list) isn't your opinion. I'm not entirely sure why you want to obfuscate the conversation...

Anyway, I'm done with this particular circular/pointless argument - if at any point you need any more input from me, go to this link : https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=re...less+arguments I agree with most of the things that come up

Re: The over-40s should pay a 'social care premium'
 

My examples are those set out by the Taxpayers' Alliance, and I have long advocated sorting out the overseas development budget in addition to that. My point is that if you address all the waste that goes on in government, you would be able to find extra money for public services without needing a tax increase.

I really don't need to provide anything else to make that argument. That is my view. I am afraid all this business about giving my 'opinion' is simple mischief making and I'm done with that game.

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I made my point and gave examples. You don't need any more.

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You're a fine one to talk about straw men, Den! :p: